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Lou Cutolo

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RTJ II Issues Public Golf Proclamation
« on: January 05, 2012, 10:39:36 AM »
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RTJ II Issues Public Golf Proclamation
PALO ALTO, Calif. (Jan. 4, 2012) - The golf course architecture firm of Robert Trent Jones II® (RTJ II)-designers of such storied public golf courses as Poppy Hills and Spanish Bay in California, Washington's Chambers Bay, and hundreds of others in more than 40 countries around the world- has released its Public Golf Proclamation: ten tenets supporting accessible and affordable public golf.

The Public Golf Proclamation follows by three years the company's Green Proclamation, which affirmed RTJ II's commitment to designing golf courses in an environmentally responsible manner, and called on others in the business to dedicate themselves to the environmental tenets listed in that document.

The Public Golf Proclamation complements efforts expended by the ASGCA, NGCOA, USGA, The PGA of America, and golf organizations, associations, and governing bodies worldwide to bring the game to more people in more places.

Chairman and Master Architect Robert Trent Jones, Jr., said, "We will continue to design the best possible courses-from private to resort to municipal layouts- for our many and varied clients. But we believe that golf should also be easily affordable and accessible to everyone who wishes to play it." Jones took this further, writing in a recent letter to the New York Times, "Golf architects are often called upon to design courses that support upscale real estate developments. But the game's roots reach down into the Earth, not up into trophy homes. Golf first developed 500 years ago as an accessible and affordable sport that brought people together outdoors, rather than separating them. Many great golf courses serve the public and the environment. The future of our sport lies in embracing the Scottish tradition in which all people are equal as they stand over a white ball."

With headquarters in Palo Alto, Calif., Robert Trent Jones II, Golf Course Architects (RTJ II) is the preeminent golf design firm worldwide. Trustees of a great tradition of golf course architecture, RTJ II is committed to working in harmony with nature to craft the best golf course on each unique site. The RTJ II design team has experience in every aspect of golf course development and the ability to provide support and expertise from conception through completion of any project. The firm has satellite offices throughout the world. For additional information contact the firm at +1 650-475-0329 or on the website at www.rtj2.com.

PUBLIC GOLF PROCLAMATION
Our Exclusive Commitment to Inclusiveness

From its earliest origins along the coasts of Scotland golf has fostered community, bringing together disparate peoples to enjoy both competition and camaraderie. In the modern era, golf courses throughout the world have been very successful when created in conjunction with resort and real estate developments and private clubs. At Robert Trent Jones II we will continue to design the best possible courses to meet the needs of our many and varied clients. But we believe that golf should also be easily affordable and accessible to everyone who wishes to play it.

As our founder, Robert Trent Jones, Jr., stated in a letter to the New York Times,
"The future of our sport lies in embracing the Scottish tradition in which all people are equal as they stand over the ball."

We applaud the global efforts of golf organizations, associations, and governing bodies, as well as our golf architecture colleagues worldwide, who have worked to promote public access to affordable, high-quality, environmentally responsible golf. In an effort to foster the communal spirit of the game we offer the following declaration to golfers and prospective golfers of every nation:
We aspire to:
1. Work with municipalities and other government entities to create great golf courses for their citizens through insightful, integrated master plans specific to each community.
2. Assist communities in creating programs and initiatives that make great public courses accessible and affordable to everyone.
3. Advocate for the creation of golf facilities on degraded sites to return unproductive land to productive and sustainable public uses.
4. Always protect and enhance the environment for the good of all.
5. Design courses that require less earth moving, water, fertilizer, and other resources in an effort to keep investment and operating costs-and therefore green fees-reasonable.
6. Create wider strategic routings and sets of shorter "family tees" to encourage children to take up golf and have fun playing it.
7. Advocate for innovative practice facilities where young people and newcomers can learn to love golf, and support programs and organizations that introduce new players to the sport.
8. Design facilities that encourage speed of play, including inventive layouts such as "Learning Courses," par-three routings, 6-, 9-, and 12-hole loops, and others.
9. Create public courses that are flexible, fun, and challenging to golfers of a wide range of abilities.
10. Encourage golf course owners to support local businesses and take an active role in their communities.


PCCraig

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Re: RTJ II Issues Public Golf Proclamation
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2012, 10:41:36 AM »
I'm sure this has nothing to do with the Olympic Course. 
H.P.S.

Lynn_Shackelford

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Re: RTJ II Issues Public Golf Proclamation
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2012, 11:13:12 AM »
A firm that has led golf the wrong way for several decades now wants to point golf in the right direction.  I suppose we should take the high road and commend them.  I noticed however they said nothing about their fees.

It must be kept in mind that the elusive charm of the game suffers as soon as any successful method of standardization is allowed to creep in.  A golf course should never pretend to be, nor is intended to be, an infallible tribunal.
               Tom Simpson

Tommy Williamsen

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Re: RTJ II Issues Public Golf Proclamation
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2012, 11:18:32 AM »
This sounds like an ad rather than a news worthy item. He is using the media to find work. Poppy Hills and Spanish Bay "storied?". I think not.  This  a self serving announcement he didn't have to pay for.
« Last Edit: January 05, 2012, 11:31:00 PM by Tommy Williamsen »
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Peter Pallotta

Re: RTJ II Issues Public Golf Proclamation
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2012, 11:35:58 AM »
There was a thread a long while back (that I may have started) wondering how golf in America might've evolved differently if
CB Macdonald had approached not "wall street financiers" to get his golf course going but went instead to "locally elected officials".  Setting aside all nuance (and any well grounded suspicion/cynicism), this announcement by RTJ is essentially suggesting that golf in America now take the road less travelled. Interesting.

Peter

Jim Colton

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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2012, 12:28:06 PM »
What does "Exclusive Commitment" mean? Does it mean that RTJ II is the only one committed to these things or that public golf is the only thing he's going to focus on?

Was I the only one who missed the great Green Proclamation of 2009?

Ronald Montesano

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Re: RTJ II Issues Public Golf Proclamation
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2012, 01:09:17 PM »
Jim,
My read is more of the latter than the former. He can't control the former and it would create a firestorm (or at least a spark) of discontent at ASGCA meetings if he meant the former.
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Jeff_Brauer

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Re: RTJ II Issues Public Golf Proclamation
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2012, 02:01:32 PM »
I recall he issued the Green Proclamation just before the interviews for the Laredo, TX project to sort of put himself in the news, and it appears he is doing a similar thing for the Oly job.  He did get the Laredo job, but my sense in talking with them in my exit interview was that it had no bearing on the selection.

I have no doubt RTJ II is sincere, but it is still marketing.
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Emile Bonfiglio

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Re: RTJ II Issues Public Golf Proclamation
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2012, 02:31:11 PM »
I'm not sure if these two are mutually exclusive or not.

3. Advocate for the creation of golf facilities on degraded sites to return unproductive land to productive and sustainable public uses.

5. Design courses that require less earth moving, water, fertilizer, and other resources in an effort to keep investment and operating costs-and therefore green fees-reasonable.

When I think of reclaimed industrial sites like Chambers Bay or Liberty National, items like less earth moving and reasonable greens fees don't really jive.
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Andy Stamm

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Re: RTJ II Issues Public Golf Proclamation
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2012, 02:42:57 PM »
Jim,
My read is more of the latter than the former. He can't control the former and it would create a firestorm (or at least a spark) of discontent at ASGCA meetings if he meant the former.

A few sentences up he states "We will continue to design the best possible courses-from private to resort to municipal layouts."

So what does that mean, he'll do privates and resorts, he's just not committed to them?

I think it was just a brutalization of language and not meant to mean anything in particular.

Jim_Kennedy

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"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

Mike_Young

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Re: RTJ II Issues Public Golf Proclamation
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2012, 03:04:21 PM »
It's all just marketing...but at least he added Item#10

10. Encourage golf course owners to support local businesses and take an active role in their communities.

I have to assume this would be to encourage people to use their local or regional golf designers and not his International firm ;D ;D

As for RTJ and the Olympics...I still say he is the one to beat...he has the greatest Brazilian golfer of all time on his team, rmemebr he beat Roberto Devicenzo on shell's WWG.  And Bohemian Grove....
"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

Mike Nuzzo

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Re: RTJ II Issues Public Golf Proclamation
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2012, 03:04:44 PM »
Jeff

How does "the preeminent golf design firm worldwide" jive with the society?

They were selected at Laredo because they already designed the course - I assume they were paid for the design work initially.
Doubtful they could have kept it under budget otherwise, unless they went with a single row system and seed.

Cheers
Thinking of Bob, Rihc, Bill, George, Neil, Dr. Childs, & Tiger.

Jeff_Brauer

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Re: RTJ II Issues Public Golf Proclamation
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2012, 03:14:45 PM »
Mike,

Bobby "jives" just fine.  He was president and all.  Yeah, some of us roll our eyes at a few things he does, but nothing is really out of whack.  He is just continuing his father's legacy of self promotion.

I don't know how much of the design work was done, other than a routing, which they re-did for the presentation.  I believe the developer paid them something for the first routing, which they did for him, while the actual design commission was awarded and paid for by the city.
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Ronald Montesano

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Re: RTJ II Issues Public Golf Proclamation
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2012, 04:46:45 PM »
I think the word is "jibe."

I know the word is "jibe."
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Jeffrey Prest

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Re: RTJ II Issues Public Golf Proclamation
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2012, 09:20:05 PM »
This sounds like an ad rather than a news worthy item.

I have to say that was my sentiment too, Tommy. This headline was so heavily re-Tweeted that I was half-expecting a proclamation that RTJ II is a woman trapped in a man's body. To say I'm underwhelmed with the actual content is an understatement.

It all seems very worthy, very commendable and I hope the firm carries it through with great aplomb. I have rather more time for the Jones clan than do some on this forum, so I've no axe to grind. Ultimately, though, I was left with a feeling that a PR operative woke up this morning and thought, "Hell, I need to do something to earn my corn..."

Tom_Doak

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Re: RTJ II Issues Public Golf Proclamation
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2012, 09:31:13 PM »
I think the word is "jibe."

I know the word is "jibe."

Ronald:

You haven't met Bobby Jones, have you?  ;)

Cliff Hamm

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Re: RTJ II Issues Public Golf Proclamation
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2012, 09:45:07 PM »
I will keep this short.  If certain architects say something they are applauded.  If others same the same thing they are condemned. Sometimes I think the biases here are appalling.

I will only say that I applaud any architect who is willing to focus on public golf.  Having grown up in the northeast I will always admire Mr. Cornish.

Tom_Doak

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Re: RTJ II Issues Public Golf Proclamation
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2012, 09:47:52 PM »
I will keep this short.  If certain architects say something they are applauded.  If others same the same thing they are condemned. Sometimes I think the biases here are appalling.

I will only say that I applaud any architect who is willing to focus on public golf. 

Cliff:

There are lots of architects who have worked extensively on public golf, and relatively few who haven't.

Mr. Cornish never issued any Proclamations, that I can recall.

Ronald Montesano

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Re: RTJ II Issues Public Golf Proclamation
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2012, 10:08:24 PM »
Coulda should woulda...I missed the opening at Hickory Stick or he woulda laid somathat jiveonme.
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Mike Nuzzo

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Re: RTJ II Issues Public Golf Proclamation
« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2012, 10:22:56 PM »
I will keep this short.  If certain architects say something they are applauded.  If others same the same thing they are condemned. Sometimes I think the biases here are appalling.

I will only say that I applaud any architect who is willing to focus on public golf.  Having grown up in the northeast I will always admire Mr. Cornish.

Cliff
Saying something for marketing reasons is different from doing the said thing ones entire career / or at least part of a career / or at any time in the past
Cheers
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Cliff Hamm

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Re: RTJ II Issues Public Golf Proclamation
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2012, 11:45:02 PM »
I accept that saying something for marketing purposes is worth little.  At the same time I don't accept that the great architects have worked extensively on public courses.  While Mr. Cornish did not design great courses many of us owe our feeling for golf to him.  I might say the same about Donald Ross.  I am not convinced that today's architects have made great contributions to affordable public golf.
« Last Edit: January 05, 2012, 11:50:19 PM by Cliff Hamm »

Mike Nuzzo

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Re: RTJ II Issues Public Golf Proclamation
« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2012, 01:00:43 AM »
I am not convinced that today's architects have made great contributions to affordable public golf.

I agree - they haven't
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PCCraig

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Re: RTJ II Issues Public Golf Proclamation
« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2012, 09:27:17 AM »
I am not convinced that today's architects have made great contributions to affordable public golf.

I agree - they haven't

I don't know if that's fair. Tom Doak and his team rebuilt Commonground in Denver (an inexpensive public course for the state's golf association) and built the Midnight Golf Facility in Detroit. C&C built the Warren Course at Notre Dame, which can be played for ~$40-$50 and walked in 3 hours on a summer weekend.
H.P.S.

Jim Colton

Re: RTJ II Issues Public Golf Proclamation
« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2012, 10:16:02 AM »
I am not convinced that today's architects have made great contributions to affordable public golf.

I agree - they haven't

I don't know if that's fair. Tom Doak and his team rebuilt Commonground in Denver (an inexpensive public course for the state's golf association) and built the Midnight Golf Facility in Detroit. C&C built the Warren Course at Notre Dame, which can be played for ~$40-$50 and walked in 3 hours on a summer weekend.


Pat brings up a good point. RTJ's 10 tenets are certainly admirable. Instead of using them to self-proclaim RTJ as the preeminent BFF of Joe Public Golfer, let's try to highlight some real success stories. Maybe it needs to be in a separate thread. Where possible, list which of the 10 items are being met.

1. Work with municipalities and other government entities to create great golf courses for their citizens through insightful, integrated master plans specific to each community.
2. Assist communities in creating programs and initiatives that make great public courses accessible and affordable to everyone.
3. Advocate for the creation of golf facilities on degraded sites to return unproductive land to productive and sustainable public uses.
4. Always protect and enhance the environment for the good of all.
5. Design courses that require less earth moving, water, fertilizer, and other resources in an effort to keep investment and operating costs-and therefore green fees-reasonable.
6. Create wider strategic routings and sets of shorter "family tees" to encourage children to take up golf and have fun playing it.
7. Advocate for innovative practice facilities where young people and newcomers can learn to love golf, and support programs and organizations that introduce new players to the sport.
8. Design facilities that encourage speed of play, including inventive layouts such as "Learning Courses," par-three routings, 6-, 9-, and 12-hole loops, and others.
9. Create public courses that are flexible, fun, and challenging to golfers of a wide range of abilities.
10. Encourage golf course owners to support local businesses and take an active role in their communities.

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