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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Architects and Superintendents, who do you work for?
« Reply #50 on: January 04, 2012, 11:20:06 AM »
BTW..the best golf course owners I know were golf supts not golf pros... ;D ;D

I would hope so.  ;)
"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

JC Jones

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Re: Architects and Superintendents, who do you work for?
« Reply #51 on: January 04, 2012, 07:23:41 PM »


"I agree with you though, we have lost our ingenuity.  I think a large part of this is the proletarianization of our whole society.  Which is a predictable result of capitalism."  J.C. Jones

Can you develop this a bit?  Why is it predictable?  Do you really mean democratization (instead of capitalism)?

No, I really mean capitalism.  The natural/predictable result of capitalism is very few capitalists.
I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

Ian Andrew

Re: Architects and Superintendents, who do you work for?
« Reply #52 on: January 04, 2012, 07:52:55 PM »
Ben,

To answer your initial question:

You work “for” the one who directly pays you.

In my case this includes:
1. a single owner (rare for me – probably common from others)
2. a board of directors (very rare)
3. a greens committee (very common)
4. the golf superintendent (in many instances the relationship is direct)
5. the general manager/COO (pretty rare)
6. a single committee member complete authority (one instance – works great)
7. a corporate entity run by multiple people (very complicated at times)
8. a government agency (usually good, but complicated as other areas intercede)


Ian Andrew

Re: Architects and Superintendents, who do you work for?
« Reply #53 on: January 04, 2012, 08:06:46 PM »
... when designing a golf course, who are you primarily concerned with?

The golfer and what experience they will get.

You can’t design the course to please an owner’s individual taste. You can accommodate requests that don’t compromise the vision, but you have an over-ridding obligation to make the course enjoyable for players which will get the owner what they need the most – repeat customers. That’s actually the definition of success.
 

Randy St John

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Re: Architects and Superintendents, who do you work for?
« Reply #54 on: January 04, 2012, 08:07:20 PM »
But #5, when it works...oh so special, my friend.  And remember, we do usually sign all the checks!

Happy New Year,
Randy

Ian Andrew

Re: Architects and Superintendents, who do you work for?
« Reply #55 on: January 04, 2012, 11:55:51 PM »
 ;D

Happy New Year Randy!

I will try and get down to see you this year.

best Regards,

Ian

Greg Chambers

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Re: Architects and Superintendents, who do you work for?
« Reply #56 on: January 05, 2012, 01:43:01 AM »
I always felt as though I was preparing the course during the day for my round of golf that afternoon.  So in essence, I was working for myself (I'm a selfish person.)  This included sticking some hole locations in some creative spots, spots that weren't always appreciated by the golfers, never illegal mind you, just creative.  I preferred fast and firm, and so it was.  I enjoyed firm greens where a shot could be moved toward the hole by using the contours, and actually took some thinking to get one close.  I don't like penal rough, so mine was under-fertilized and under-watered (by current standards.)  My staff was treated well.  They enjoyed coming to work every day, and I lead them by example.  Most golfers enjoyed their time on the course, some didn't but that's ok, you can't please everybody.

But, alas, the management company came in and asked that the fairways and rough be more lush.  And asked that the greens be softened to make them more "fair."  And it was all downhill after that...
"It's good sportsmanship to not pick up lost golf balls while they are still rolling.”

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