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Mike_Young

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Golf Inc- Most Important People in Golf? Really?
« on: December 22, 2011, 08:35:45 PM »
I think most in the golf business understand that golf conferences exist mainly for the good of the promoter.  And the same for many of the trade journals.  But why do they always make the management company executives the "most important people in golf".  I know the key is to "follow  the money" but I don't know why in this case.  The only thing I can think is that perhaps they are the main attendees at the conferences they present.  For the last several years most of the conferences are just a place for the various corporate guys to expense a trip and see all their buddies.  their aren't many developers or clients there. 
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jeffwarne

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Re: Golf Inc- Most Important People in Golf? Really?
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2011, 08:39:29 PM »
Quote from: Mike_Young on December 22, 2011, 08:35:45 PM
I think most in the golf business understand that golf conferences exist mainly for the good of the promoter.  And the same for many of the trade journals.  But why do they always make the management company executives the "most important people in golf".  I know the key is to "follow  the money" but I don't know why in this case.  The only thing I can think is that perhaps they are the main attendees at the conferences they present.  For the last several years most of the conferences are just a place for the various corporate guys to expense a trip and see all their buddies.  their aren't many developers or clients there. 



"Most important people (biggest spenders) at the conference"?
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Bill_McBride

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Re: Golf Inc- Most Important People in Golf? Really?
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2011, 10:43:53 PM »
Quote from: jeffwarne on December 22, 2011, 08:39:29 PM
Quote from: Mike_Young on December 22, 2011, 08:35:45 PM
I think most in the golf business understand that golf conferences exist mainly for the good of the promoter.  And the same for many of the trade journals.  But why do they always make the management company executives the "most important people in golf".  I know the key is to "follow  the money" but I don't know why in this case.  The only thing I can think is that perhaps they are the main attendees at the conferences they present.  For the last several years most of the conferences are just a place for the various corporate guys to expense a trip and see all their buddies.  their aren't many developers or clients there. 



"Most important people (biggest spenders) at the conference"?

That's what I'm thinking.  The biggest spenders are most likely to hire the vendors who attend the conference - the architects, contractors, lawyers, bankers, etc.   that's the way it is in every industry.  If Golf, inc. can bring those buyers of services to the event, that's where the vendors will go.   
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Ian Andrew

Re: Golf Inc- Most Important People in Golf? Really?
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2011, 11:15:39 PM »
Mike,

Haven't seen the list ... why don't you offer up yours ?
I think it might be fun to start a disucssion and see who people would pick.

I wouldn't have a clue on my end...
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Mike_Young

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Re: Golf Inc- Most Important People in Golf? Really?
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2011, 09:40:48 AM »
Ian,
I can give you a start:
1. Arnold Palmer- has that personality that makes people want to listen
2. Joe Duffer- if he goes away so does the game
3- Mom and Pop course owner- they own the majority of the courses in the country and actually figure a way to live form them not sell nvestors
4- Top maintenance equipment remanufacturer- he provides a product most of the golf courses in America can justify
5- Mike Keiser- he provides an experience that Joe Duffer desires to see once a year or so...and it does not leave a desire with Joe Duffer to come back and "enhance" his place with everything he saw if at another resort. 
6- The golf Channel- it has the ability to link the game and even if we don't care for some of the show s such as Big Break ( their highest grossing show) it brings people into the game...
7- Titleist- it gives the pinnacle ball to the world
8- John Daly- he has more influence on a greater number than any of those top 25.

You add from here ;) ;)
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Lou_Duran

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Re: Golf Inc- Most Important People in Golf? Really?
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2011, 10:00:22 AM »
I am told that the 1500+/- "members" of GCA.com have cracked the list, though there is considerable debate regarding their ranking.
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Jeff_Brauer

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Re: Golf Inc- Most Important People in Golf? Really?
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2011, 10:11:15 AM »
Mike,

I think you and I tied for 36th on the 35 person list.....

Your list looks like a most important to golf, not most powerful in golf.  Even for the golf inc list, I wonder if most on the list ever really use their power, or even feel it?  Or do they just go to work and do what they do and change golf that way?

I do recall Bill Kubly being on or rising up the list, and he got a lot of stuff done mostly for the good of golf, like Arbor Links, Sticks for Kids, etc.  I don't know what anyone else on the list does, though.
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: Golf Inc- Most Important People in Golf? Really?
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2011, 10:48:20 AM »
The "joiner" is a new powerful cog in the golf wheel. It all started with him and will live on through him.
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Mac Plumart

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Re: Golf Inc- Most Important People in Golf? Really?
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2011, 11:00:18 AM »
Quote from: John Kavanaugh on December 23, 2011, 10:48:20 AM
The "joiner" is a new powerful cog in the golf wheel. It all started with him and will live on through him.

I knew I had some power!

 8)

But seriously, people who have to be on that list...

Finchem;
Nicklaus;
Palmer;
Woods (still);
Mickeslon;
Trump;
Keiser;
Kohler;
Augusta National (man, they could do some real good if they wanted to);


I'm sure I'll think of some more.
« Last Edit: December 23, 2011, 11:02:54 AM by Mac Plumart »
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Chris Johnston

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Re: Golf Inc- Most Important People in Golf? Really?
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2011, 11:10:31 AM »
Quote from: John Kavanaugh on December 23, 2011, 10:48:20 AM
The "joiner" is a new powerful cog in the golf wheel. It all started with him and will live on through him.

Yup
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: Golf Inc- Most Important People in Golf? Really?
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2011, 11:22:31 AM »
Quote from: Mac Plumart on December 23, 2011, 11:00:18 AM
Quote from: John Kavanaugh on December 23, 2011, 10:48:20 AM
The "joiner" is a new powerful cog in the golf wheel. It all started with him and will live on through him.

I knew I had some power!

 8)

But seriously, people who have to be on that list...

Finchem;
Nicklaus;
Palmer;
Woods (still);
Mickeslon;
Trump;
Keiser;
Kohler;
Augusta National (man, they could do some real good if they wanted to);


I'm sure I'll think of some more.

Don't underestimate the good that Augusta National does every year recharging the batteries of millions of golfers coming out of winter. It has been a benchmark for me as long as I can remember.
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SB

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Re: Golf Inc- Most Important People in Golf? Really?
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2011, 01:50:10 PM »
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Garland Bayley

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Re: Golf Inc- Most Important People in Golf? Really?
« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2011, 02:02:56 PM »
According to Nordstroms, the most important people in golf are the golfers.
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Eric Smith

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Re: Golf Inc- Most Important People in Golf? Really?
« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2011, 02:06:46 PM »
Anthony's divorce lawyer.

DoG's worldwide are on pins and needles waiting for this one.
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jeffwarne

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Re: Golf Inc- Most Important People in Golf? Really?
« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2011, 02:09:57 PM »
Quote from: John Kavanaugh on December 23, 2011, 11:22:31 AM
Quote from: Mac Plumart on December 23, 2011, 11:00:18 AM
Quote from: John Kavanaugh on December 23, 2011, 10:48:20 AM
The "joiner" is a new powerful cog in the golf wheel. It all started with him and will live on through him.

I knew I had some power!

 8)

But seriously, people who have to be on that list...

Finchem;
Nicklaus;
Palmer;
Woods (still);
Mickeslon;
Trump;
Keiser;
Kohler;
Augusta National (man, they could do some real good if they wanted to);


I'm sure I'll think of some more.

Don't underestimate the good that Augusta National does every year recharging the batteries of millions of golfers coming out of winter. It has been a benchmark for me as long as I can remember.

 ;D ;D ;D

Mac,
Do you think the Masters or the USGA does more good for the game with their tournaments?
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Ben Sims

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Re: Golf Inc- Most Important People in Golf? Really?
« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2011, 02:19:11 PM »
Mark King
Billy Payne
Tim Finchem
Jack Nicklaus
Tiger Woods
Rory McIlroy
Wen Jiabao
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Michael George

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Re: Golf Inc- Most Important People in Golf? Really?
« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2011, 02:47:38 PM »

I know that it is cliche, but the most important people to golf is the amateur golfer that spends his money on golf club memberships, rounds at public courses, equipment, clothing and tour tickets/hospitality.  While it seems obvious, I think a lot of people in golf have become so oblivious to the real world that they have forgotten it. 

Not being cliche, I would say that the Presidents of the USGA and Royal & Ancient are the most powerful people in golf.  They may not use their power (which I think is unfortunate on many issues), but they could effect the most change in the industry if they wanted to.
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Golf Inc- Most Important People in Golf? Really?
« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2011, 06:46:16 PM »
The most important people in golf will be whoever it is that manages to change the status quo -- which most likely won't be the guys IN the status quo who make up this list.
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JC Jones

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Re: Golf Inc- Most Important People in Golf? Really?
« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2011, 07:15:42 PM »
Quote from: John Kavanaugh on December 23, 2011, 10:48:20 AM
The "joiner" is a new powerful cog in the golf wheel. It all started with him and will live on through him.

This is why I'm joining a club, so John will finally approve of me.
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I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

RJ_Daley

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« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2011, 07:23:22 PM »
The survivors.... :-\
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Peter Pallotta

Re: Golf Inc- Most Important People in Golf? Really?
« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2011, 07:49:01 PM »
Quote from: JC Jones on December 23, 2011, 07:15:42 PM
Quote from: John Kavanaugh on December 23, 2011, 10:48:20 AM
The "joiner" is a new powerful cog in the golf wheel. It all started with him and will live on through him.

This is why I'm joining a club, so John will finally approve of me.

Doesn't anyone want to be the guy on the outside looking in anymore?  You know, Camus, L'Etranger, the free man, the sharp-eyed satirist and observer of mores? 

That's okay - I know it takes a special breed to stand alone....

JC - join away, but please don't get a-boasting, okay? 

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JC Jones

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Re: Golf Inc- Most Important People in Golf? Really?
« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2011, 07:57:02 PM »
I wouldn't boast.  Well, if I did I'd do it more subtly like posting on the iconic clubhouses thread... :)
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I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re: Golf Inc- Most Important People in Golf? Really?
« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2011, 09:48:20 PM »
Mike I generally agree with your list except no John Daley and add Golfers. I might add you are seeing one of the sad aspects of our society. The bigger is better and large corporations rule making for a better world is completely wrong but one that rules the day.
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Mike_Young

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Re: Golf Inc- Most Important People in Golf? Really?
« Reply #23 on: December 23, 2011, 11:17:04 PM »
When it comes to the "joiners" I think we have to remember that exclusivity is earned and not purchased in golf clubs.  A "private" club today and one ten years ago are two different things.  Like the old saying: I would question joining most clubs that would have me if all they wanted was my fee. ;D
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Anthony Gray

Re: Golf Inc- Most Important People in Golf? Really?
« Reply #24 on: December 24, 2011, 05:30:32 PM »


  Have architects ever found jobs at these events?

  Anthony

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