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Anthony Gray

What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« on: December 12, 2011, 03:19:29 PM »


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Ronald Montesano

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Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2011, 03:41:19 PM »
the one in the fence...
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Tommy Williamsen

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Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2011, 03:49:52 PM »
It is a toss up between 2 and 8. At number two you stand breathless on the tee at what lies ahead. Once on the green the fun really begins.  On number eight you only have a little wedge, but it is terrifying.  I like the green on the left a little better.  
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Patrick_Mucci

Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2011, 04:01:10 PM »
Anthony,

The difficulty with this question is that there are 18 prudent answers.
It's difficult to argue with almost any choice

At most clubs, you can eliminate a number of holes.
Not so at PV where every hole is terrific in its own right.

For me, I'd have to eliminate the par 3's.

# 2 is certainly a wonderful hole, but, there's something about # 15 that I really like.
Perhaps it's the diversity in the three shots and the decisions the golfer makes with his second shot that dramatically influences his third shot.

The wide DZ for the drive that gets progressively narrower as you ascend to the green.

The sloped green with trouble surrounding it.

All combine to make a great golf hole and wonderful experience.

And, typically, in match play, it's a vital hole in the match, which adds to it's significance.

Joe Bausch

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Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2011, 04:09:06 PM »
Whatever hole Crump envisioned from the train ride.   ;)

This is like asking me to choose my favorite element on the Periodic Table Ant.   ;D

But I do love No 2 b/c of the green.
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Patrick_Mucci

Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2011, 04:15:05 PM »
Whatever hole Crump envisioned from the train ride.   ;)

This is like asking me to choose my favorite element on the Periodic Table Ant.   ;D

But I do love No 2 b/c of the green.

Joe,

# 2 green, in it's present state may not be the green you're recalling.
It's been modified, considerably.


Mark Chaplin

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Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2011, 04:15:52 PM »
I'm sure the answer lies in your most memorable hole from your last round, for me the last hole I birdied is the best, although last time out I did make a very nice sandy par from the right bunker to a far back right pin on 10.

As Pat says they all have their merits.
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Joe Bausch

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Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2011, 04:23:16 PM »
Whatever hole Crump envisioned from the train ride.   ;)

This is like asking me to choose my favorite element on the Periodic Table Ant.   ;D

But I do love No 2 b/c of the green.

Joe,

# 2 green, in it's present state may not be the green you're recalling.
It's been modified, considerably.


I saw and studied it again this year at the Crump Cup Pat.  And it is still very good, IMO.  The changes gave them a few more pin positions and I don't think it came at the expense of the overall wonderful contours.
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Dan Herrmann

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Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2011, 05:03:02 PM »
#2...  I've never played PV, but walked it 3 times.  For some reason, #2 sticks out in my memory.

Kalen Braley

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Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2011, 05:15:50 PM »
#2...  I've never played PV, but walked it 3 times.  For some reason, #2 sticks out in my memory.

Perhaps additional photos are needed.  Ran provides this on his course profile, but doesn't to be too terribly impressive from this angle.


Jeff_Brauer

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Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2011, 05:18:29 PM »
I remember every detail of my 72 at Pine Valley.....including the fact I was rained out after 14.  Now that that's public, my golf rep will take a bit of a hit.

I would agree with Patrick that the all or nothing par 3's aren't as good as the rest of the long holes.  

The choice is easy for me - 13.
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Scott Warren

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Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2011, 06:26:04 PM »
Kalen, another pic. hard to do it justice in a pic though.


Sean Leary

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Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2011, 07:10:46 PM »
Whatever hole Crump envisioned from the train ride.   ;)

This is like asking me to choose my favorite element on the Periodic Table Ant.   ;D

But I do love No 2 b/c of the green.

Joe,

# 2 green, in it's present state may not be the green you're recalling.
It's been modified, considerably.


I saw and studied it again this year at the Crump Cup Pat.  And it is still very good, IMO.  The changes gave them a few more pin positions and I don't think it came at the expense of the overall wonderful contours.

I agree Joe. I wonder if people would have even noticed the changes if they didn't know about it...

For me the answer is 8. Are far as a  hole that doesn't get much love, I really like 11.

14 is my least favorite.

Andy Troeger

Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2011, 07:46:52 PM »
I like all of the choices made so far. I don't believe there is any other course where the distribution of valid choices is as vast. I'll go with #5, just for the fear factor! There are at least a half-dozen others just as valid.

Joe Bausch

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Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2011, 07:51:10 PM »
I like all of the choices made so far. I don't believe there is any other course where the distribution of valid choices is as vast. I'll go with #5, just for the fear factor! There are at least a half-dozen others just as valid.

The fifth is a heckuva par 4 Andy.  ;)
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Mark McKeever

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Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2011, 08:02:52 PM »
I've gotta say number two.  Each time I see it, it gets more concrete.

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Andy Troeger

Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2011, 08:13:10 PM »
I like all of the choices made so far. I don't believe there is any other course where the distribution of valid choices is as vast. I'll go with #5, just for the fear factor! There are at least a half-dozen others just as valid.

The fifth is a heckuva par 4 Andy.  ;)

I made a 4! Was very proud of that...I've never been eaten alive by a golf course as I was the front nine at PV. That was my only four and lowest number of the nine.

PGertner

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Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2011, 09:15:57 PM »
Love them all....

but to me it is 13.

I was lucky to have spent five years there and can picture myself on any spot on the golf course....but standing on the 13th fairway looking down at the green is my favorite place...

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Tommy Williamsen

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Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2011, 09:27:57 PM »
Whatever hole Crump envisioned from the train ride.   ;)

This is like asking me to choose my favorite element on the Periodic Table Ant.   ;D

But I do love No 2 b/c of the green.

Joe,

# 2 green, in it's present state may not be the green you're recalling.
It's been modified, considerably.


Pat it has been five or six years since I have been there.  How has the second green changed?
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Ian Dalzell

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Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2011, 09:37:15 PM »
This one for me is easy....#11.

It is certainly neither the hardest or easiest hole at PV, but for me the combination of strategy off the tee taking driver out of the better players hands, and the natural valley that the green sits in, it is an awesome hole.  I absolutely love the look and feel of both shots on this hole, and the green is no push over, particularly with either a back left pin to fire at or a missed green to the right.

There are so many GREAT, and I mean GREAT holes at PV, but #11 always catches my eye and comes to mind quickly.

Ian

Mike_Trenham

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Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2011, 09:44:29 PM »
Number one is my favorite.  Probably a bit more strategic from tee to green and pretty penal if the green is missed.  There is a clear descision on the approach shot and it sets the tone for the round nicely.

I don't know why we don't see more greens like this, that play wide-open at the front but get fairly difficult and narrow at the back.  Plus the back of the green does not look narrow on the approach shot just plays that way.
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Stuart Goldstein

Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2011, 10:16:19 AM »
Certainly #2 is great as is #8 with the left green.  Am also partial to #18-with mixed feelings because it is a great hole and you realize it is the last hole of the day.  16 is my least favorite

John Shimony

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Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2011, 11:18:08 AM »
6 and 11.  The 6th doglegs right and has a right to left angled green with a bunker front left.  Holes of this natrure remind me of the Road Hole and always peak my interest.  The 11th is a slight dogleg right with a downward tumbling fairway to a narrow green, as Ian mentions above.
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BCrosby

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Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2011, 12:28:15 PM »
It's hard to argue with any of the choices above.

It's interesting to note that the holes on which PV's most famous features appear - Hell's Half Acre on the 7th and the Devil's A#@*hole on the 10th - have not been picked as favorites so far. I'm not sure what that means.

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Doug Wright

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Re: What is your favorite hole at Pine Valley?
« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2011, 12:55:47 PM »
Very hard to choose obviously but I'd say #8 and #13, two very different holes that pose very different questions for the golfer to answer--or not. That is the beauty of Pine Valley to me.
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