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Wayne Wiggins, Jr.

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Northern California restorations
« on: December 12, 2011, 11:49:26 AM »
Looking at the roster of Bay Area courses, can anybody fill in the blanks of who (or which firms) have done recent renovations/restorations (if any) w/in the past 5-8 years?

Olympic Club (Lake) = Bill Love
SFGC = Tom Doak/Renaissance
California GC = Kyle Phillips
Meadow = Mike DeVries
Pasatiempo = Tom Doak/Renaissance
Claremont CC – Jim Urbina
Peninsula G&CC = Ron Forse
Mira Vista = Forrest Richardson & Mark Fine
Richmond CC = Neal Meagher
Marin CC = John Harbottle
Menlo CC – Kyle Phillips (planned?)
Sequoyah
Sonoma CC
Lake Merced
Orinda CC
Green Hills
Del Paso CC (Sacramento, CA) - Kyle Phillips

Did i miss any?

Tim Gavrich

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Re: Northern California restorations
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2011, 11:54:55 AM »
Aetna Springs' nine holes go for the Doak camp.
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Daryn_Soldan

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Re: Northern California restorations
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2011, 12:12:46 PM »
Peacock Gap in San Raphael is another Forrest Richardson project.

David_Tepper

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Re: Northern California restorations
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2011, 12:46:41 PM »
Wayne -

I think the Lake Merced renovation of 10-12 years ago (maybe even longer by now) was done by RT Jones, Jr.

DT

Wayne Wiggins, Jr.

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Re: Northern California restorations
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2011, 12:53:15 PM »
Wayne -

I think the Lake Merced renovation of 10-12 years ago (maybe even longer by now) was done by RT Jones, Jr.

DT

Thanks, David.  Do we know if that was RTJ Jr. or Jay Blasi?

Kevin_Reilly

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Re: Northern California restorations
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2011, 12:56:04 PM »
Harbottle did work at Orinda.  Currently John Fought is consulting there.
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David_Tepper

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Re: Northern California restorations
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2011, 12:58:43 PM »
Wayne -

I have no idea who did the "hands on" work at Lake Merced.
I presume the work was done out of the RT Jones II office in Palo Alto, but I do not know how long Jay Blasi has been working there.

P.S. You could probably devote a whole thread to who has done the various work that has been done on the OC Ocean Course over the past 40-50 years! I believe Tom Weiskopf did the last major renovation on it (10 years ago?).

DT
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David_Tepper

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Re: Northern California restorations
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2011, 01:06:46 PM »
Wayne -

I think the last major work at Sonoma (20 years ago?), was done by the Robert Muir Graves firm. I believe Neal Meagher may have worked on that project while he was with Graves.

DT 

David_Tepper

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Re: Northern California restorations
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2011, 01:09:31 PM »
Wayne -

San Geronimo had a renovation/facelift 20-30 years ago, after it was bought by the guy who owned Sandpiper down near Santa Barbara. I don't know who did the work. Neal Meagher might know.

DT

Scott Stambaugh

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Re: Northern California restorations
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2011, 01:40:36 PM »
Wayne -

I think the Lake Merced renovation of 10-12 years ago (maybe even longer by now) was done by RT Jones, Jr.

DT

Lake Merced renovation was done by Rees Jones in 1996.

Scott

Tim Leahy

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Re: Northern California restorations
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2011, 02:04:47 PM »
Haggin Oaks?
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Joe_Tucholski

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Re: Northern California restorations
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2011, 02:11:51 PM »
Adding another - Bayonett and Black Horse completed in late 2008 by Gene Bates.

Matt_Cohn

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Re: Northern California restorations
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2011, 02:17:13 PM »
Harding Park...uh, PGA Tour Design Services?

Presidio is just at the very beginning of a renovation by Richard Zokol's company.

Too early to add Poppy Hills to the list, I guess.

Is MPCC in your timeframe? Rees and Strantz.

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Matt_Cohn

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Re: Northern California restorations
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2011, 02:18:05 PM »
Wayne -

I think the Lake Merced renovation of 10-12 years ago (maybe even longer by now) was done by RT Jones, Jr.

DT

Lake Merced renovation was done by Rees Jones in 1996.

Scott

Second this. It was Rees, not RTJ.

David_Tepper

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Re: Northern California restorations
« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2011, 02:20:22 PM »
Scott S. -

Thanks for catching my mistake.

DT

Kyle Henderson

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Re: Northern California restorations
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2011, 02:21:57 PM »
Palmer's design firm made a few changes to the Pebble Beach GL.

Mike Strantz (and later Gil Hanse) redid MPCC-Shore
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Wayne Wiggins, Jr.

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Re: Northern California restorations
« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2011, 04:14:07 PM »
Thanks for the feedback evereyone.  Has Hanse or C&C done anything around here?

Joel_Stewart

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Re: Northern California restorations
« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2011, 05:05:25 PM »
Metropolitan Golf Course was by Fred Bliss
Mira Vista by Forrest Richardson and Mark Fine
Olympic Ocean course by Weiskopf/Morrish
Richmond CC by Neal Meagher
Marin CC by John Harbottle

To be accurate:
Claremont was by Renaissance/Jim Urbina

Robert Muir Graves did the redesign work at Contra Costa CC
Robert Muir Graves also did the redesign of Sharp Park in 1972

Are you seriously going to include Bill Love at Olympic Club?  That's an embarrasment.  Almost all the work was authorized by Pat Finlan, Love meerly made some drawings and cashed a check.

Mike Benham

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Re: Northern California restorations
« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2011, 05:08:56 PM »
Wayne -

Meadow Club's work started in the late 1990's and was finished in 2001 I believe, that's beyond the "past 5-8 year" window you've noted.

That being noted, Monarch Bay was redone by Harbottle in 2001.
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Bill_McBride

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Re: Northern California restorations
« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2011, 05:39:54 PM »
Wayne -

I think the last major work at Sonoma (20 years ago?), was done by the Robert Muir Graves firm. I believe Neal Meagher may have worked on that project while he was with Graves.

DT 

Correct according to Neal.

Joel_Stewart

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Re: Northern California restorations
« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2011, 09:20:41 PM »
Wayne, I'm not sure where you are going with this but you probably need to focus on the top 50 or top 100 courses in the country or at least the top 20 in California.   

To me, all of these clubs are using 10 or so architects who have experience (and success) in classic restorations, except for one.  All of these clubs had extensive interviews with architects except for one and maybe Augusta?  All of these clubs had extensive participation by the board and/or green committee, except for one.

I had a list, if you IM me I can take a look.

Joshua Pettit

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Re: Northern California restorations
« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2011, 09:49:55 PM »
San Geronimo had a renovation/facelift 20-30 years ago, after it was bought by the guy who owned Sandpiper down near Santa Barbara. I don't know who did the work. Neal Meagher might know.

Graves did the work to San Geronimo in the late 80s.  I believe the main focus of the project was to install a new irrigation system, but they managed to mess up some greens in the process.


Wayne -
Meadow Club's work started in the late 1990's and was finished in 2001 I believe, that's beyond the "past 5-8 year" window you've noted.

Meadow finished the bulk of their restoration work in 2005/6...but they continue to make large strides toward a complete vegetative restoration!
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Patrick Kiser

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Re: Northern California restorations
« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2011, 11:35:15 PM »
I too had down Rees for Lake Merced.

Likewise Graves for San Geronimo.  For whatever reason, Graves touched quite a few A.V. Macan courses.

I'm pretty sure it's been posted at one time or another that Mike DeVries did a couple of greens at Green Hills, but the club halted things after that.  I don't believe a full restoration has been done there.


Joel,

I've heard Graves before for Sharp Park, but can't find anything on it.  When I told Sean Tully about it, he said he would love to see anything on this stretch.  If you have any references for this, definitely feel free to bring them up.
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Howard Riefs

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Re: Northern California restorations
« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2011, 12:13:27 AM »
Bayonet (Gene Bates)
Black Horse (Gene Bates)
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Matt_Cohn

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Re: Northern California restorations
« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2011, 01:50:45 PM »
Mike Strantz renovated Silver Creek Valley in 2002, pushing the timeline slightly.

Monterey Pines, 2009, Marc Messier/Kevin Tucker Design Group


Is it normal even in a big metropolitan area to have THIS many renovations/redesigns to SO many courses in a 10-year period???   :o
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