Presidents Cup at RM

[Jim Nugent]

Is there anyone that thinks Tiger will never win again?

I doubt he wins another major. 

[Mark Chaplin]

I cannot imagine the Tour took full responsibility for pin positions without the heavy involvement of the Superintendent. The greens are too fast and have too much slope for outsiders to take all the risk. It happened a few years ago at Sunningdale during Open qualifying, play had to be stopped and the pin moved. Talking to members they'd never have put the pin where it was.

[Jud_T]

Jim,

Sounds like a wager.  Tiger putted about as well as I've ever seen him in his singles match.  I suppose this was just one of those days where he was feeling it and he still hasn't proven he can do it for 72 holes etc. etc.  But combine that with the control of the new swing he exhibited and finally some confidence on the surgically repaired knee and if I were one of the haters I might not be eating crow yet, but I'd be plucking it's wings and buttering up the chafing dish...Not only will he win another major, I'd take 2-1 he does it next year...

P.S.  IMO the course made a marginally interesting event must watch TV.

[Matthew Rose]

The golf course was definitely a star. The old standards of classic architecture were in force.... understanding the correct positions, angles, slopes, knowing where you couldn't miss. Unpredictability of what your ball will do if you are hitting out of the rough.

It is a shame we'll never see a US or a British Open here because it obviously lacks jurisdiction to do so. But as a course is it so worthy of a championship of such significance.

[Bill_McBride]

Is there anyone that thinks Tiger will never win again?

I doubt he wins another major. 

Even after watching him today?   Looked like the Tiger of old.

[Craig Sweet]

Didn't Tiger say it was a tip from Furyk that got his putting going? Whatever, he was on the money in the final match.

[JR Potts]

Is there anyone that thinks Tiger will never win again?

I doubt he wins another major. 

Even after watching him today?   Looked like the Tiger of old.

As long as he's wearing those terrible shoes, he'll never be the Tiger of old in my eyes.

[David_Tepper]

Craig S. -

In his interview after this singles match, Tiger gave credit to Steve Stricker for helping his putting.

DT

[Scott Warren]

Tiger loses three of his five matches including one by a record margin, shoots a couple under in the singles and that means "he's back!"? Wow.

[Jason Walker]

I thought the TV presentation was ... get this ... "better than most" , which helped make this the first time--for me--that the golf course over-shadowed the competition.  What a spectacular place with some of the coolest greens I've seen on TV!  I'm a professional golf junkie, but I was glued to the TV to see the course.  Maybe I'm officially a nerd now?

I'm one that has Tiger not winning again.  In fact, I've had an even money bet for the last 18 months with two friends that David Duval, John Daly, Jesper Parnevik, or Calc wins on the PGA Tour before Tiger.  I still like my bet.

[PThomas]

Tiger loses three of his five matches including one by a record margin, shoots a couple under in the singles and that means "he's back!"? Wow.

well said

I think he'll win again, probably even at least 1 major, but lets not get carried away just yet

[PThomas]

. In fact, I've had an even money bet for the last 18 months with two friends that David Duval, John Daly, Jesper Parnevik, or Calc wins on the PGA Tour before Tiger.  I still like my bet

hmmmmmmmmm..

[K. Krahenbuhl]

I'm one that has Tiger not winning again.  In fact, I've had an even money bet for the last 18 months with two friends that David Duval, John Daly, Jesper Parnevik, or Calc wins on the PGA Tour before Tiger.  I still like my bet.

Want some more action on that?

[Sam Morrow]

I'm one that has Tiger not winning again.  In fact, I've had an even money bet for the last 18 months with two friends that David Duval, John Daly, Jesper Parnevik, or Calc wins on the PGA Tour before Tiger.  I still like my bet.

Want some more action on that?

I want in too.

[Jason Walker]

I still don't think Tiger has four rounds in him, but Duval and Daly's prospects were much brighter 18 months ago than they are today.  Calc won't play many more events and Parnevik is screwed unless he can get the planets to line up and the moon phase to shift slightly. 

But for the proverbial "$hits and giggles" I will entertain some additional action.  Send me a PM and we'll get something squared up. 

[Sam Morrow]

I still don't think Tiger has four rounds in him, but Duval and Daly's prospects were much brighter 18 months ago than they are today.  Calc won't play many more events and Parnevik is screwed unless he can get the planets to line up and the moon phase to shift slightly. 

But for the proverbial "$hits and giggles" I will entertain some additional action.  Send me a PM and we'll get something squared up. 

I'd bet my right nut Tiger wins again on tour.

[Jason Walker]

I want nothing to do with your right nut Sam.  I was thinking of something like dinner in South Jersey next time you're out this way.    The problem with this bet is my action here has no timeline--so when all five don't win there's no action. 

I'm willing to set something up for 2012 if you're so confidant that Mr. Woods can again begin making 10 footers with any regularity.

[Sam Morrow]

I want nothing to do with your right nut Sam.  I was thinking of something like dinner in South Jersey next time you're out this way.    The problem with this bet is my action here has no timeline--so when all five don't win there's no action. 

I'm willing to set something up for 2012 if you're so confidant that Mr. Woods can again begin making 10 footers with any regularity.

I won't be in Jersey next year unless I win the lottery or bang a Hilton sister. Come to 5th Major and we can throw a steak dinner on it.

[Jason Walker]

I'm rooting for you on both options Sam!

I'm a definite maybe.  With a 4 and 2 year old, the idea of summer golf trips seem to raise the ire of my wife.  But I'm good.

I may be in Houston several times next year.  If I don't make the 5th Major, perhaps all you can drink margaritas at Ninfa's (sp?) could be arranged.

[Sam Morrow]

I'm rooting for you on both options Sam!

I'm a definite maybe.  With a 4 and 2 year old, the idea of summer golf trips seem to raise the ire of my wife.  But I'm good.

I may be in Houston several times next year.  If I don't make the 5th Major, perhaps all you can drink margaritas at Ninfa's (sp?) could be arranged.

We might be onto something, that would work perfectly, Kyle can get in on it.

[Randy Thompson]

Tiger loses three of his five matches including one by a record margin, shoots a couple under in the singles and that means "he's back!"? Wow.

Come on, lets give a little credit where credit is due. He was four or five under after eleven holes on a day when the golf course was winning in every direction, he showed his old nerves of steel and way out played the field of twenty three top players. He had some head problems, he had some physical problems and he also lost some comfidense as a result. He showed me that he still has it and once that confidense comes back, no one will touch him. He will win another a major and I suspect he will be number one again by this time next year. What was he going into this tournamnet 8-1 odds to win at Augusta. I suspect those odds will be dropping after his final day performance.

[Jim Nugent]

Is there anyone that thinks Tiger will never win again?

I doubt he wins another major. 

Even after watching him today?   Looked like the Tiger of old.

I didn't watch the PC.  Besides the points Scott Warren and Jason Walker made, I don't think the Presidents Cup gives any sign of how golfers will play on tour or in the majors.  Same with the Ryder Cup.  The format and pressures are too different.  

I think Tiger is damaged goods, and has been ever since shortly after his accident.  Physically and maybe more important, emotionally.  The way he handled his public outing was the exact opposite of what he needed to do, if he wanted to keep his competitive fires burning.  

It is a shame we'll never see a US or a British Open here because it obviously lacks jurisdiction to do so.  

Is that true about the British?  I thought technically it could be played outside the British Isles.  

[Mark Chaplin]

My guess is the Open Championship could be played anywhere the R&A has jurisdiction so that's USA and Mexico are out.

Going to Ireland is extremely unlikely so I wouldn't hold my breath on Oz!

[Scott Warren]

Randy:

Come on, lets give a little credit where credit is due. He was four or five under after eleven holes on a day when the golf course was winning in every direction, he showed his old nerves of steel and way out played the field of twenty three top players. He had some head problems, he had some physical problems and he also lost some comfidense as a result. He showed me that he still has it and once that confidense comes back, no one will touch him.

That's fair, he did play very well on Sunday. Better than Furyk played all week, though? He deserves credit, but I think it needs to be measured.

On Saturday he was in the 15th fairway and hit an iron so far left it was almost over the 18th tee. He missed a number of near-gimme putts.

And let's be honest, his Sunday demolition was against the world #49, who has three US Tour wins and has never finished top 10 at a major.

I'm obviously playing it up a little bit -- but the point is that we're talking about the greatest player in the world ascending back to the throne, I think we need something more than a 4&3 win in a low-pressure situation on the back of three fairly poor days' golf to re-ordain him.

[Scott Warren]

Let's keep this in perspective.

He putted like crap Thursday, Friday and Saturday en route to losing three of four matches.

He looked good at The Lakes a week ago, but had a nightmare moving day that consisted of him moonwalking backwards out of the lead, then bogeyed two eagle/birdie holes on the back nine Sunday to put himself out of contention.

Those with an enormous horn for Tiger have been telling us since the 2010 Masters that he will make his doubters look stupid, that 19 majors is still odds-on and that he still has game that no one else has.

That last bit may well be true, but he has done nothing to prove he is capable of accessing it for four consecutive days. In two years, nothing.

If I had a dollar for every time Tiger's play has allegedly -- in his fanboys' eyes -- announced "he's back!" since Thanksgiving 2009, I'd be a rich man. He might well return to the dominant force he used to be, but as it is he's just a streaky, aging, injury-prone golfer who hasn't won in two years.

I'm not betting against him winning a major in 2012, but by the same token he has done little to convince me I'd want to bet on him winning one, either.