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Ronald Montesano

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Arrowhead Golf Club (www.arrowheadgolfclub.net) is one of Scott Witter's contributions to golf in western New York. Scott, I believe, is originally from Boston but currently lives in Lockport, NY, due east of Niagara Falls and northeast of Buffalo. Scott had a promising run as a full-time GCA but got beaten out of the biz by the economy. His original designs are Ironwood (http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,48628.0.html) and Arrowhead, along with the third nine (the Fawn) at Deerwood Golf Course, a muni in North Tonawanda, NY. He has worked with Mark Fine at Copake Country Club and other fine courses. He is a gentleman's gentleman and plays a mean game of flog. I have to apologize for the picture quality...I was using an older camera and did not have the exposure settings to my liking. Here goes nothing!

Arrowhead Golf Club




Hole #1-Par Five: 572_548_503_463

A hole that you have to play once to know how to play. A long driver can reach the barranca on the right with a slug, so the safe play is always on the left, even if three metal is necessary. From this juncture, a fairway metal or hybrid may be aimed at the green, although you can't see your target. A mound on the elevated right side of the fairway obscures the putting surface, so it's hit and hope. The fairway slopes considerably (although not unfairly) right to left, toward an irrigation pond. The space before the green is ideal for a run-up play, so the hole offers up its share of eagles and birdies, to complement the bogies and doubles. A manageable albeit humbling hole with which to begin.

Tee Shot


« Last Edit: December 01, 2011, 05:20:08 PM by Ronald Montesano »
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JNC Lyon

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Re: Arrowhead Golf Club (Scott Witter) in Akron, NY-Hole # 1 Posted
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2011, 10:29:29 PM »
The opener is a tad awkward, but I think the second shot is fundamentally pretty interesting.  It presents a very simple tradeoff: the longer and farther left you can place your second shot, the better the angle you get for the third shot.  Cool greensite too.
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Arrowhead Golf Club (Scott Witter) in Akron, NY-Hole # 1 Posted
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2011, 05:48:27 AM »
I understand why...the line of charm bends you eastward/to the right, precisely the way the hole bends, the fairway slopes...and the trouble awaits. The problems arise when the course is firm and the wind is behind (from the south) on tee deck one. At that point, well-hit drivers can find the trouble. For me, the choked-up (Anthony Kim) driver or the long spoon (three-metal) work well off this tee. Then, if you are a practiced spooner, you can take a run at the green in two.
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Arrowhead Golf Club (Scott Witter) in Akron, NY-Hole # 1 Posted
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2011, 01:00:45 PM »
Hole #2-Par Four: 427_407_377_308

The second hole, in my opinion, is the strongest two-shotter on the course, from an architectural standpoint. It features Witter's ability to deceive, as one's eye instinctively goes to the left side and considers the carry over the longer fairway bunker. The play up the right is safer, as the bunker is thirty yards easier to carry. Even if the tee ball trundles into the rough, the shot into the green is up the fall line, straight into the green, through a wee vale. From the left, one comes in at an angle, much tougher on the eye. The green is a larger affair than the first hole and has a few fall offs on the left side, into recovery areas.

Tee Shot From Deep


Tee Shot From Close


Fairway Shot From Right Side


Fairway Shot From Right Side-Green Comes Into View



Fairway Shot From Center-150 Out
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Arrowhead Golf Club (Scott Witter) in Akron, NY-Holes # 1-2 Posted
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2011, 10:30:15 PM »
Hole #3-Par Four: 383_360_333_304

Number three is a delightful journey back in time. The tee ball is a blindish shot, played ideally a bit from left to right, off the left-side fairway bunkers. A stand of trees in the right rough will block massive fades from a shot at the green, unless the fade (KLynch!) is truly massive and ends up in the adjoining fifth fairway. From the crest of the hill, the approach shot trundles down to a deep, two-tiered, semi-punch bowl green. Another outstanding effort, giving us three memorable opening holes.

Tee Shot



Fairway Shot 1-From 165 Out



Fairway Shot 2-From 90 Out



Shot From Behind Green

« Last Edit: November 15, 2011, 10:34:13 PM by Ronald Montesano »
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Peter Pallotta

Re: Arrowhead Golf Club (Scott Witter) in Akron, NY-Holes # 1-2 Posted
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2011, 10:39:11 PM »
Ron - thanks, and please keep this going. I can't add a single thing, but I've seen pictures of Scott's work and read his posts when he was here - and I very much appreciate a) that he practiced what he preached, b) that he designed good golf courses on average land, and c) that his work reminds me of the 'average English courses' that have become for me the epitome of what golf courses should be all about.
Gosh darnit, I have travelled so little in recent years and have played so little golf - but I am determined to make it to where you are and play Arrowhead!

Peter

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Arrowhead Golf Club (Scott Witter) in Akron, NY-Holes # 1-3 Posted
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2011, 08:00:02 AM »
Peter,

You hit the nail on the head. We can do a Scott Witter tour down here, 18 at Ironwood, 18 at Arrowhead and 9 at Deerwood and have a ball. I'll be posting more holes today.
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Arrowhead Golf Club (Scott Witter) in Akron, NY-Holes # 1-3 Posted
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2011, 08:16:06 AM »
Hole # 4-158...141...116...102

An interesting pitch across a pond. Witter starts the shorties off with a true short hole. The carry over the water is negligible...the hole plays structurally like an Eden, with danger (wetlands) beyond and a few bunkers to addle the brain. The green again is two-tiered, although not nearly as deep as the previous putting surface. Fall-offs to chipping areas are everywhere that bunkers are not. The hole is a perfect example of "every hole location is accessible from the center of the green." Put the ball in the middle and take your run at deuce.

Tee Shot from very close


Tee Shot from an angle near the 3rd green


Tee Shot from 1st Green/2nd Tee (if you're jonesan to play the hole at 200 yards)


Tee Shot from same angle, probably at 190


Side Angle from 1st Fairway
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Arrowhead Golf Club (Scott Witter) in Akron, NY-Holes # 1-4 Posted
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2011, 10:43:31 AM »
As an intermezzo, here's a nice piece on Scott from the salad days:  http://tonawanda-news.com/niagaraliving/x681286712/SETTING-THE-COURSE-Lockport-golf-course-designer
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John Foley

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Re: Arrowhead Golf Club (Scott Witter) in Akron, NY-Holes # 1-4 Posted
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2011, 01:08:02 PM »
Ron,

Thanks for this - I like Arrowhead alot and Scott is a great guy - gave a group of us a tour after it had open and had a great time with him. #10 is one of my favorite par 5's - good drive -

Found myself playing more over at Ivy Ridge over time - not sure why though - as it has been a few years since I have been out there. Width?? There is a little tightness in the site that Ivy Ridge does not seem to have perhaps?

Given the 10 round choice whats your call between the two?
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Kevin Lynch

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Re: Arrowhead Golf Club (Scott Witter) in Akron, NY-Holes # 1-4 Posted
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2011, 02:47:59 PM »
It is too bad that Scott had to get out of the business - I would have preferred at least one more Witter Original in WNY and one less Hurdzan design (you know which one I mean).  I wish I'd had the same exposure to Golf Club Atlas that I do now, when we used to have dinner with him.

A few thoughts on the opening holes:

-  Overall, I found the aerial of the course very interesting.  My perception of several holes from playing along the ground was much different from the reality of the aerial view.  Holes that I thought were severe doglegs, were actually straighter (which explians why all my attempts to cut off the corner were coming up short).  This could be a testament to the intentional deception that Scott built into the despigns to add interest.

-  #1 had always been an awkward hole for me, but I think that the level of discomfort is good.  It adds much more thought than most Par 5s, which often only focus on length. 

-  #2 is one of my favorites, with an "over the rise" tee shot, and nice greensite / chipping area.  I think you may have undersold the difficulty of the 2nd shot if you bail out to the right off the tee.

-  In my defense, at least my effed-up tee shot on #3 was a "post-birdie eff-up" (as opposed to my normal variety).  Without much length, you would think that this hole could be a push-over.  The green on this hole is wonderful and challenging.  However, the way Scott obscures the landing areas through the stretch from 2-7 is a big part of the challenge.  Even after playing the course several times, I know the landing areas are bigger than they appear, but I still have that twinge of uncertainty each time.

-#4 is a great short-iron hole with a green that can cause you fits.  I think Arrowhead has one of the better collection pf Par 3s in the area, both for variety of distances, but also for the interest of the greens. 


Kevin Lynch

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Re: Arrowhead Golf Club (Scott Witter) in Akron, NY-Holes # 1-4 Posted
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2011, 03:10:59 PM »
Ron,

Thanks for this - I like Arrowhead alot and Scott is a great guy - gave a group of us a tour after it had open and had a great time with him. #10 is one of my favorite par 5's - good drive -

Found myself playing more over at Ivy Ridge over time - not sure why though - as it has been a few years since I have been out there. Width?? There is a little tightness in the site that Ivy Ridge does not seem to have perhaps?

Given the 10 round choice whats your call between the two?

John,

I haven't played Ivy Ridge as much as Arrowhead, but I've always had the sense that both could feel a little constricted in terms of playing width.  With the higher winds in the northern suburbs, they both play a little tighter than the hill & valley courses in the Southern suburbs (e.g. Byrncliff / Elma).  Both courses feature my maintenance nemesis - that being tall, lost ball rough within 20 yards of the primary playing corridors (i.e. in-course OB).  There are open and tight stretches at both courses, but I think Ivy Ridge will feel a little "wider" because it is on a bigger plot of land and has more overall length.    Also, as I noted above, Scott tends to obscure the landing areas at Arrowhead, which will make it feel narrower than it actually plays. 

My recollection of Ivy Ridge may be cloudy, but I don't recall its greens being even remotely as interesting as Arrowhead's.  Arrowhead's greens feature many more shelves and internal contours, while my general recollection of Ivy Ridge was that the greens were simply much larger with softer contouring.

Based on my recollection, my 10 round test would probably go 6-4 or 7-3 in favor of Arrowhead (but I may appreciate Ivy Ridge a little more with a few more plays).


Ronald Montesano

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Re: Arrowhead Golf Club (Scott Witter) in Akron, NY-Holes # 1-4 Posted
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2011, 04:59:28 PM »
I would go 5-5, as I find both courses to be way better than what I grew up playing in WNY. I'm also a fairly straight driver, especially when I stop experimenting and stick with the Nike driver that I hit well. My friend, Mr. KPL, is a bit wild at times, although never boring. As a result I understand why he dislikes Ruby Buzzard (code name for a certain area course) and parts of Arrowhead, that place a premium on driving.

When Ivy Ridge was being built, the guys were convinced by the owner of Reservoir Creek down in Naples, NY, to hire Blaine Harrison, a Canadian shaper, to do the greens. Best decision they ever made. If not for that hire, the greens would have looked like Buffalo Tournament Club's nondescript, big swingers. I think that, tee to green, both courses are close in terms of worth. I absolutely despise the two parallel par fives at LAIR, yet love the course. In my mind, those holes have the landing area for the second shot precisely where water (on both sides!) comes into play. To make it worse, the fairway shrinks down to nothing, so you either have 185 in for your third shot or you risk getting wet. The greens at the end of both holes are not very interesting. I think that the par fours and threes make LAIR. At Arrowhead, Scott's professionalism shines through. Interestingly enough, people have called for Arrowhead to add a set of decks, to offer a 7K yard playing option. It can be done, but does it need to be done?
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Eric Smith

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Re: Arrowhead Golf Club (Scott Witter) in Akron, NY-Holes # 1-3 Posted
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2011, 05:35:16 PM »
Peter,

You hit the nail on the head. We can do a Scott Witter tour down here, 18 at Ironwood, 18 at Arrowhead and 9 at Deerwood and have a ball. I'll be posting more holes today.

Would this tour include having the man himself along as well? No, not JNC ;D, but Mr. Witter? I'd like to try to come up there next year, maybe slip on in to Canada as well. How far is Bigwin? I owe somebody some beers up there, plus I want to catch a Muskie!!

Ed Homsey

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Re: Arrowhead Golf Club (Scott Witter) in Akron, NY-Holes # 1-4 Posted
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2011, 05:56:25 PM »
Ron---Thanks for the introduction of this thread, featuring one of Scott Witter's creations.  I agree with you completely.  He's a "gentleman's gentleman".  A credit to the game, and the industry.  Scott very graciously invited me to accompany him for a tour of the bunker work he did at Ridgemont CC in Rochester.  It was a treat to hear the details of his thinking and strategy for each decision he was faced with.  In my opinion, he changed the landscape from one with a high degree of blandness to one which catches your attention and demands strategy.  It is unfortunate that they have not followed a major piece of his advice concerning their trees. 

Thanks again.  Got to get over to Arrowhead and give it a try.  Even from the forward tee, bet it'll be fun.

Ed

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Arrowhead Golf Club (Scott Witter) in Akron, NY-Holes # 1-4 Posted
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2011, 05:57:29 PM »
We could try to scare Witter out of retirement/real life, for sure. Bigwin is 4.5-5 hours away, north of Lake Simcoe.
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Arrowhead Golf Club (Scott Witter) in Akron, NY-Holes # 1-4 Posted
« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2011, 05:59:56 PM »
Nice sentiments, Ed. I would love to see Ridgemont some day. He told me of the work he was doing there. While the bubble in the industry convinced a lot of guys they could "do it," the subsequent bubble burst cost us a lot of interesting design potential. So far, the original Witter Trail includes 2.5 courses.
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Peter Pallotta

Re: Arrowhead Golf Club (Scott Witter) in Akron, NY-Holes # 1-4 Posted
« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2011, 06:00:23 PM »
I'd look forward to that, Eric.  You can get from Western NY to Toronto in about an hour and a half/two hours -- and then it's straight up the 400 etc for a couple more hours (if you're not in rush hour) to Bigwin. And if you put the word out in advance, I'd bet there be quite a few folks that would want to host you on some great classic courses.

Peter  

Eric Smith

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Re: Arrowhead Golf Club (Scott Witter) in Akron, NY-Holes # 1-4 Posted
« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2011, 06:04:10 PM »
Me too, PP. You like to fish? I've waited my whole life to catch a Pike or Muskie in Canada!

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Arrowhead Golf Club (Scott Witter) in Akron, NY-Holes # 1-4 Posted
« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2011, 06:09:32 PM »
All right, before this thread gets jacked, let's keep it moving! (but keep the commentary coming, too)

Hole #5 -- Par 4...378...356...322...380

As Kevin Lynch notes, Scott Witter utilized the "over the ridge and beyond" theory of fairway construction to get golfers through a potentially claustrophobic part of the property without feeling claustrophobic. Number five, a slight dogleg right par four, takes a drive some 225 yards to a ridge, then down to a vale, then up to the green, with water behind. The green is so deep, you should never be near the water. Up the shorter and higher (right) side of the fairway are three bunkers that tempt the brazen hitter to fly them. Not a good idea, as you will then come over the greenside bunkers. the more strategic play is up the left side, although a missed fairway left probably spells trees. You'll find your ball, but you'll need creativity. The approach, in any case, should be with wedge or less, thanks to a springboard off the far side of the fairway ridge.

Tee Shot


Fairway Shot from Lower Bowl Right

Fairway Shot from Center...You can imagine the benefit of coming in from the left
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Peter Pallotta

Re: Arrowhead Golf Club (Scott Witter) in Akron, NY-Holes # 1-4 Posted
« Reply #20 on: November 16, 2011, 06:12:58 PM »
I used to, Eric - but only went out once for Pike.  I caught one, and to be honest, I found that I enjoyed fishing for/catching bass or trout a lot better.  Even though using fairly light line, catching a pike felt sort of like accidentally snagging a log.  BUT - I'm told that the long patient pursuit for a huge muskie and the catching a big one is a whole other kettle of fish!

I DO still drink, though - so maybe we can do that  :)

JNC Lyon

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Re: Arrowhead Golf Club (Scott Witter) in Akron, NY-Holes # 1-4 Posted
« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2011, 06:14:03 PM »

Fairway Shot from Lower Bowl Right


LOOK AT THAT FORM!!!
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Arrowhead Golf Club (Scott Witter) in Akron, NY-Holes # 1-5 Posted
« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2011, 06:15:37 PM »
I've got a better one of you, taking a whiz on the first at Bridgewater, but it will never see the light of day.
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JNC Lyon

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Re: Arrowhead Golf Club (Scott Witter) in Akron, NY-Holes # 1-5 Posted
« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2011, 06:19:57 PM »
My pose can't be much different in that photo than it is in the one above...
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Arrowhead Golf Club (Scott Witter) in Akron, NY-Holes # 1-5 Posted
« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2011, 07:24:18 PM »
Excellent point...At least you were pulling for Kevin's ball to find the green.
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