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Scott Warren

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Re: Aussie Open.....
« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2011, 01:44:51 AM »
Matthew, from the member tee (and I don't think there is much room behind it for a pro tee) you don't want to be hitting your tee shot more than about 220m (242y) or it's likely wet.

EDIT -- measured it on GoogleMaps. From the very back of the back tee, about 250m to the water, so your call of 275 yards was a good one!

To carry the water and reach the second area of fairway is 295m on the shortest line just left of the bridge.
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Chris Kane

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Re: Aussie Open.....
« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2011, 01:48:02 AM »
It was 240m to the water today, but the last 15m or so leaves a downhill lie for the second. It has been a 3-iron every day for us.

Will post some more when I have a chance later tonight.

Chris Kane

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Re: Aussie Open.....
« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2011, 05:28:39 AM »
As Mike mentioned, I'm caddying this week, for the same player as last year. We made the cut on the number after a great birdie on 7 (8 iron to 10 feet) and a long putt across the green at 9. Then had 69 this morning, to leave us t30 with one round to play.

The first point to note about Allenby's whinging is that a player who has just missed the cut is rarely the best person to make a sensible judgment about the golf course. Second point is that Allenby is full of it, the greens are not the best surfaces the players will putt on this year, but they're fine. No one can seriously argue that good putts are missing the hole because of the quality of the greens.

From watching a bit of the golf live this afternoon (and some more on tv when we got home), it appears that the greens are finally starting to play firm. They were getting there this morning, but they were still softer than optimal. They are, however, significantly firmer than last year, when the course was battered with heavy rain for days on end before the tournament. Hopefully they're even firmer tomorrow.

Paul Gow's comment in Golf Digest about there being only three or four holes where there is an advantage to being on one side of the fairway is utter rubbish. During practice and tournament rounds this week, Matt and I have specifically discussed the preferred placement of the tee shot on holes 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10, 11, 13, 14 and 17.

Another touring pro told me today that he thinks 2 is the best hole on the course. I might agree with him.

Scott Warren

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Re: Aussie Open.....
« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2011, 06:22:25 AM »
Chris,

I'm surprised that list doesn't include 12. What is the thinking on that hole? Does pin position matter much?

Brian,

Being on pure sand, it drains well, but my experience is that it's not generally as firm as this week.

We have been lucky. After a big storm early in the week, there has been hardly any rain where a lot was forecast.

Mark_F

Re: Aussie Open.....
« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2011, 06:41:07 AM »
Paul Gow's comment in Golf Digest about there being only three or four holes where there is an advantage to being on one side of the fairway is utter rubbish. During practice and tournament rounds this week, Matt and I have specifically discussed the preferred placement of the tee shot on holes 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10, 11, 13, 14 and 17.

There's no way it matters enough on 4,5,10,11,14 or 17.

Scott Warren

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Re: Aussie Open.....
« Reply #30 on: November 12, 2011, 06:59:25 AM »
Mark,

To a right-hand pin at 5, I wouldn't want to be anywhere other than as hard up against the left-hand rough line as possible. Especially with the greens firm.

Anthony Butler

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Re: Aussie Open.....
« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2011, 09:58:57 AM »
Mark
Would you expect anything different after he made five at nine to miss the cut by two?

Mike,

I would expect him to tell the truth. :D

The greens are either slow and bumpy, or they aren't.  Maybe it is just conformation that the country's premier Championship has no place in Sydney as its two best courses are woefully unsuited to the task.  One can't get its  rather lacklustre greens too fast because they are too exposed, the other can't get its more interesting ones fast because it's too wet. 

I wonder if it would ever be possible for someone to tell us the how good another city in Australia is without peeing down Sydney's leg... What ever you you might think of the Lakes looks tremendous compared to what it was 7-8 years. Even though we had to get someone from Melbourne to do it.

There you go... not so hard after all.
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Mark_F

Re: Aussie Open.....
« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2011, 03:06:31 PM »
Mark,

To a right-hand pin at 5, I wouldn't want to be anywhere other than as hard up against the left-hand rough line as possible. Especially with the greens firm.

Scott,

Sorry, putting 5 in was a typo. Does it matter on 13? or 16?


Mark Pearce

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Re: Aussie Open.....
« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2011, 03:56:43 PM »
Is this on TV in the UK?
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PCCraig

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Re: Aussie Open.....
« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2011, 04:02:15 PM »
I've loved all the architectural comments from Ian Baker Finch. One yesterday along the lines of "While it's got a Links look, it really plays to an aerial game." Plus, they keep mentioning the trees that have been cut down and how that's opened the course up and it looks great. Not much, but it's a start!  :)
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Bob_Huntley

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Re: Aussie Open.....
« Reply #35 on: November 12, 2011, 08:44:16 PM »
Does anyone think that the Emirates Cabin Crew have the right mojo for the tournament? They look completely bored by the whole thing and I wonder if they get a free "go to the rest room" from time to time.

Bob

Tom_Doak

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Re: Aussie Open.....
« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2011, 08:58:42 PM »
Michael:

Hope you and your course have a great day tomorrow.

Just remember, there's only one winner and a lot of losers, and they all think accordingly about the venue.  ;)

Mike_Clayton

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Re: Aussie Open.....
« Reply #37 on: November 12, 2011, 11:22:37 PM »
Tom,

It seems like it is going to be a really interesting finish. The course is fine I think and not yielding that much given it's short and the weather has been quite benign.

RJ_Daley

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Re: Aussie Open.....
« Reply #38 on: November 13, 2011, 12:15:35 AM »
Mike, would you care to say who did the shaping and bunker construction?  Are the shapers local Aussies or some of the gents that seem to share time between Tom, Coore and Crenshaw and some on their own?

While one never gets to see the extent of slopes from the television, I thought the FW contours and greens surrounds looked excellent along with the bunker and waste appearance.  Congratulations on your work, Mike.
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Kevin Pallier

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Re: Aussie Open.....
« Reply #39 on: November 13, 2011, 01:11:15 AM »
I loved watching them play 13 today.

Tiger takes driver goes right and almost landed in a hazard. Makes bogey.

Day takes driver goes left and into a bunker and thins one over the green. Makes bogey.

Senden lays back with a 5I ? wedges one to a foot and makes birdie.

Love your work Mike  ;D

Mike_Clayton

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Re: Aussie Open.....
« Reply #40 on: November 13, 2011, 01:34:22 AM »
RJ

Jason McCarthy did the bunker and green shaping at The Lakes. He does a lot of our work and dug many of the bunkers at Barnbougle.


Kevin,

13 is great fun to observe - and I think it is a really good hole despite what the members say!!

Scott Warren

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Re: Aussie Open.....
« Reply #41 on: November 13, 2011, 01:41:48 AM »
I spent much of today sitting above/behind the 13th green and I'm convinced more than ever it's one of the best short fours in the country.

But a pity they didn't cut the hole at the front...

14 was good fun too. Saw a couple of them on in two on the front right with the bunker between their ball and the hole.

It's a wonderful course for watching golf. Lots of exciting shots and plenty of raised vantage points on the flanks of most holes.

Kevin Pallier

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Re: Aussie Open.....
« Reply #42 on: November 13, 2011, 02:06:05 AM »
I'm still not convinced Tiger will dominate again.

Some of his misses with the driver this week were downright terrible. He will be able to get away with it a bit a RM next week though.
That said his long iron play was pretty sharp today as was his short game. The 3rd round killed him and in the past he wouldn't have had that sort of round.

Chris Kane

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Re: Aussie Open.....
« Reply #43 on: November 13, 2011, 05:42:56 AM »
There's no way it matters enough on 4,5,10,11,14 or 17.

In the context of tournament golf (the same context that Gow made the remarks) that judgment is best left to a professional golfer Mark - and my player thought it did.

It absolutely matters on 11 and 14, because being close to the lake leaves a shorter second shot. The approaches on 4 and 10 are made easier from the opposite side of the fairway to the hole location. And depending on the angle of the wind, a second shot at the 17th green can be a lot easier from a particular part of that fairway.

I'm surprised that list doesn't include 12. What is the thinking on that hole? Does pin position matter much?

The main consideration on 12 was hitting the fairway. On three of four days it played pretty long into the wind so we aimed straight down the middle with the driver, trying to get as far down the fairway as possible. Its a bit like 3, no doubt that if the hole is left or right there is an advantage to one side of the fairway; but it usually plays into the wind and the only consideration is being on the fairway to have a chance of hitting the green in 2.


Scott Warren

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Re: Aussie Open.....
« Reply #44 on: November 13, 2011, 06:06:08 AM »
Thanks Chris.

Did you think there were a fair few fairly easy pins out there today?

11-14 I thought were on the sedate side. 17 as well, really.

Was 13 cut at the front any of the four days? I don't recall that it was.

Jud_T

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Re: Aussie Open.....
« Reply #45 on: November 13, 2011, 06:28:23 AM »
Nice to see Tiger in contention again.  Would have liked to see Chalmers hit that bunker shot on 18 with only a 1 stroke lead instead of two.  All you haters and moralizers had best lie low.  The kitten may be roaring again come spring...

P.S.  Nice mention by Finchy about Tom and Mike's work at Barnbougle on the 3rd (?) round telecast.  
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Mark_F

Re: Aussie Open.....
« Reply #46 on: November 13, 2011, 06:29:13 AM »
It absolutely matters on 11 and 14, because being close to the lake leaves a shorter second shot. The approaches on 4 and 10 are made easier from the opposite side of the fairway to the hole location. And depending on the angle of the wind, a second shot at the 17th green can be a lot easier from a particular part of that fairway.

Chris,

I've no doubt it is ideal to be closer to the water on 11 and 14 - and 1 - but who goes there?  I hardly saw a player near the water, unless it was a rank mistake, like Day's opening drive.  Even bailing out right on 14 still leaves a mid-iron in for nearly everyone - it would obviously be a different story if the wind was blowing, but then I would surmise they would just lay up and pitch across. Same with 4 - they all appeared to be smack in the middle of the fairway whenever I looked.

Scott,

What sort of crowd numbers did you get for the week?

Joe Sponcia

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Re: Aussie Open.....
« Reply #47 on: November 13, 2011, 07:11:32 AM »
Mark, i was merely entertaining myself by sseimg if the Tiger 'dislikers' wuld come out to play ;D my next comment therefore has to be about Geoff Ogilvys 'tash'!!!!! What is happening there? The course does not look that wet....or is it just not as firm as the Melbourne courses?


Mr. Stokes,

Ogilvy looks stachetastic, a little more length and he could do an Aussie Magnum P.I..  Someone mentioned Appleby might be growing one too but I didn't see him due to my limited viewing of the tournament.  Hopefully Tiger "G.D./F bomb" Woods will keep using his natural talent to climb up the leader board, and then finish in the top 10 after dropping his head/shoulders 4 inches at impact every shot.

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"If the hole is well designed, a fairway can't be too wide".

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Tim Nugent

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Re: Aussie Open.....
« Reply #48 on: November 13, 2011, 10:58:21 AM »
Mike,  super job.  I hardly watch much golf on the tele but I do catch some tourney's if they are played at courses that grab my attention.  I tuned in as I was curious to see how Tiger would do but was captured by the course and even tuned in Sunday as well. Kudos.
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Anthony Butler

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Re: Aussie Open.....
« Reply #49 on: November 13, 2011, 12:44:21 PM »

Mr. Stokes,

Ogilvy looks stachetastic...  


It's Mo-vember... where you let things grow on your upper lip in support of a charity whose name escapes me. For some reason, Australian charities seem adept at convincing donors to undertake a bunch of strange activities for the purpose of both supporting the charity and promoting the cause... The last time I was living in Sydney, my wife convinced me to to wear a large, fake red nose on the way to work from Bondi Junction Station in aid of some children's charity... all I needed was some clown shoes and I could have put on a show in Martin Place before stepping into the office.
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