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Kris Shreiner

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After returning from an extended trip to Pinehurst, for Richard Mandells's second presentation of this significant gathering, I felt some discussion and sharing on what transpired would be of interest to the tree house denizens. As was the case last year, Team Mandell did a superb job, across the board, in both the quality and organization of the event.

The presenting speakers were insightful, frank, and didn't flinch when the tough question was asked. In fact, refreshingly, they often welcomed expanded comments on a topic or point that added to the information shared. A quick poll of several attendees that were present for both events felt this second Symposium was slightly stronger than what was a very solid initial presentation. As it should be...Bravo Rich and Team Mandell! Many thanks and deep appreciation to all who made the time to find your way to Pinehurst to participate.

In particular, two presenters deserving special mention really pushed the edge, in positive ways, on innovative and expansive thinking in finding affordable solutions to challenges.

The first, sharp Pasatiempo superintendent Paul Chojnacky, gave several practical examples of applying unconventional methods to maintain rugged barranca and difficult ground areas, using goats, and significantly reducing water use, by introducing tough, compatible grass species he knew from his Wyoming upbringing could handle the minimal water requirements and pest concerns he was seeking for his project.

While the goats' escapades have been documented on this site, Paul noted that they only nibble down to the lower part of the plant crown, where sheep often eat or tear out the root systems. This distinction is key, because on steep, easily eroding ground, goats are the clear call for this type of work. Paul also mentioned that the hoof action of the goats often actually compacted the ground to a more stable state as they move about, another plus when slope or ground stability is a concern.

For the turf transition, on perimeters of play and other areas, Paul did extensive research on what varieties would work best, and auguments his initial plantings with subsequent seeding and a mulch cover to maximize germination, limit invasives, and hold additional moisture for use by the new grass.

Tom Mead, who has worked with numerous pioneers in the game, including John Ashworth and our own Tom Doak,  then gave a comprehensive, enlightening and thoroughly progressive overview on multiple, sustainable options that facilities can utilize to make a difference in efficient operations. He has lived it, brings diverse experience as a superintendent, architect and environmentally savvy soul, and asks us in the industry to make the effort to try things, starting wisely on a small scale, and refine them until we can expand their effectiveness.

The others presenters, including Ran, who gave a lively, visual powerpoint romp 'round Huntercombe GC, all raised important topics to share and reflect on with regard to assisting make the game more natural, resource efficient and affordable. Rich intends to schedule the event again around the same time next year and I'm sure he'll chime in with the detals. He plans to offer a WHITE PAPER which will contain much of the subject matter covered this year, and a video component is also part of the mix if my memory serves me right.

At this point I will say that the GCA tree-house turnout for this event was disappointing. There seems to be no shortage of numbers from this site's membership for the get togethers and access events. Many on this site are quick to count themselves as purists, those that have a deep passion for the game, yadda, yadda , yadda.

THERE IS NOT A MORE IMPORTANT ISSUE IN THE GAME THAN HAVING THOSE THAT CLAIM TO LOVE IT STEP UP, SHARE TIME AND INSIGHTS, AND FIND BETTER WAYS TO PRESENT THE GAME IN AN ENVIRONMENTALLY RESPONSIBLE, AFFORDABLE WAY WHEREVER POSSIBLE!

I respect the fact many, especially those working the dirt and turf for a living, can't cut away easily during this time of year. The overseas crowd gets a pass, though I'll note we had three Scots who made the effort, including a proud caddie from Kingsbarns!  We all lead busy lives, BUT COME ON. Ran, who presented, and Chris Buie, and ardent supporter, are local. We didn't have even five GCA members travel beyond that to make it...PATHETIC! I'm sorry, but I gotta call group fraud on this one. We are SSSSOOOOOOOO much better than that pitiful effort.

Pinehurst is a special place. The foliage and weather during this event is generally epic. Southern Pines, our host course, is THE MODEL for affordable golf in a tremendous presentation. There is a warmth and energy about this area that is hard to describe. A "rightness" about the golf and the region in general is the best description I can offer. Additional golf options abound. In short, THERE IS NO EXCUSE NOT TO MAKE THE EFFORT IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.

If we who claim to revere golf can't even bother to show up for an event of this importance and presentation quality, when the game is on the ropes, as it most certainly is just now, what does that say about us and our sport? Let's try to give back a little more to this beguiling endeavor we claim to cherish, rather than just pounce on the easy opportunity to extract and gain from it. We, and golf, will be far better for it by adopting that course.

Rich and TEAM MANDELL...a heartfelt salute to an outstanding Symposium! You can count me in again next year.

Cheers,
Kris 8)
« Last Edit: November 18, 2011, 12:52:18 AM by Kris Shreiner »
"I said in a talk at the Dunhill Tournament in St. Andrews a few years back that I thought any of the caddies I'd had that week would probably make a good golf course architect. We all want to ask golfers of all abilities to get more out of their games -caddies do that for a living." T.Doak

Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Reflections on Nov. 7-8, 2nd Annual Symposium for Affordable Golf
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2011, 04:04:27 PM »
Kris,

Did you forget about the weather and the subsequent power loss that left the northeast in the dark for at least the first week of November?.....never mind the horrific weather and damages that occurred in September.

It was more likely due to bad timing.
"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

Mike Nuzzo

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Re: Reflections on Nov. 7-8, 2nd Annual Symposium for Affordable Golf
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2011, 04:09:56 PM »
Kris
Glad you found meaning in the seminar & thank you for sharing.
How many people attended.
Cheers
Thinking of Bob, Rihc, Bill, George, Neil, Dr. Childs, & Tiger.

Willie_Dow

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Re: Reflections on Nov. 7-8, 2nd Annual Symposium for Affordable Golf
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2011, 05:49:48 PM »
Sorry to miss this year's  event, but a trip to the hospital came first.  Hopeful for next year.

Kris Shreiner

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Re: Reflections on Nov. 7-8, 2nd Annual Symposium for Affordable Golf
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2011, 07:18:10 PM »
Willie,

Trust you are on the mend! We knew you were planning to attend and figured something came up when you didn't make it. You get a pass  ;D sir, as you made the last one. Sure look forward to having you attend again in 2012.


Mike,

Thanks for the kind words. Rich will have the exact total, but I'd figure 60 or so. Again, it's the quality, not the quantity that elevates something into a significant gathering. With more quality in the house, the discussion and sharing only gets better. I'd love to have you make it up next year Mike. The fine work you and your gang have been doing certainly would have some lessons for us all.

To a person, everyone I've interacted with who attended agreed it was not only worthwhile, it was something they'd come to again to gain some more insights. There are some really passionate, dynamic folks that feel it's worth that effort ,and the pure, NO PC nature of the Symposium's entire structure, thanks to Rich's full-candor approach, has no peer in the industry from my view!

Jim,

I'm well aware of the difficult weather these last few months in the Northeast. My brother's business is a tree care company serving PA, NJ, and Delaware. You can only imagine how busy his team has been. In fact, I've been up and down the East coast, driving back and forth from Philly to Florida, the last 3 months, on a regular basis to assist, when I can. There weren't any weather related cancelations to my knowledge, though I'll defer to Rich on that call. With the size of our GCA membership, and geographic dispersion, the weak total of GCA attendees can't be excused on that count.

Many are unable to attend, I get that, but the group needs to walk the walk with better strength for an event this well-done and crucial to the game's health. Do I expect too much of our lot? I hope not. Otherwise, we're no better than the stuffed shirts that pontificate about how much they respect the game as they drive it into the ditch.

Respectfully,

Kris 8)
« Last Edit: November 15, 2011, 09:30:07 PM by Kris Shreiner »
"I said in a talk at the Dunhill Tournament in St. Andrews a few years back that I thought any of the caddies I'd had that week would probably make a good golf course architect. We all want to ask golfers of all abilities to get more out of their games -caddies do that for a living." T.Doak

Mac Plumart

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Re: Reflections on Nov. 7-8, 2nd Annual Symposium for Affordable Golf
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2011, 07:21:55 PM »
My cousin spoke at the event, but I still had no idea it was going on.

Perhaps more marketing and advertising would help. 
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Kris Shreiner

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Re: Reflections on Nov. 7-8, 2nd Annual Symposium for Affordable Golf
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2011, 07:34:05 PM »
Mac,

Come on brother, there was plenty of notice on this site! As much golf travel as you've been squeezing in...you are EXACTLY the candidate who SHOULD be at this event. As you are an apostle for the game if there ever was one, the personal enrichment AND golf on offer at Pinehurst, thanks to Rich, is right up your fairway my friend. I most certainly hope you could find time to grace the gang at the 2012 Symposium with your attendance.

Cheers,
Kris 8)
"I said in a talk at the Dunhill Tournament in St. Andrews a few years back that I thought any of the caddies I'd had that week would probably make a good golf course architect. We all want to ask golfers of all abilities to get more out of their games -caddies do that for a living." T.Doak

Michael George

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Re: Reflections on Nov. 7-8, 2nd Annual Symposium for Affordable Golf
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2011, 07:35:50 PM »
My cousin spoke at the event, but I still had no idea it was going on.

Perhaps more marketing and advertising would help. 

If you were not playing so much, you would have known about it. ;D
"First come my wife and children.  Next comes my profession--the law. Finally, and never as a life in itself, comes golf" - Bob Jones

Mac Plumart

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Re: Reflections on Nov. 7-8, 2nd Annual Symposium for Affordable Golf
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2011, 07:41:05 PM »
Mac,

Come on brother, there was plenty of notice on this site! As much golf travel as you've been squeezing in...you are EXACTLY the candidate who SHOULD be at this event. As you are an apostle for the game if there ever was one, the personal enrichment AND golf on offer at Pinehurst, thanks to Rich, is right up your fairway my friend. I most certainly hope you could find time to grace the gang at the 2012 Symposium with your attendance.

Cheers,
Kris 8)

Kris...

Yes...I know and I agree.  But I am not kidding, I didn't know it was going on.  If it was "advertised" on this site, I didn't see it and I'm on here all the time.  But others avenues of approach for advertising might be a good idea as well. 

All I am saying, and what I meant by that last post, is I should have known about it and would have been there if I could have.  I was unaware it was going on.

Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Chris Buie

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Re: Reflections on Nov. 7-8, 2nd Annual Symposium for Affordable Golf
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2011, 08:04:44 PM »
I know it's not always so easy to make it to events but I'd say it would be worth a stretch to attend this one.  I think you'd be glad you did. The parts I got to attend were truly first rate. Rich and his very capable staff did a really good job. My favorite part is that Kris got to meet Peggy Kirk Bell! There aren't too many people around these days who can tell you what it was like to get a golf lesson from Tommy Armour or what Donald Ross was like. She has a innumerable stories and they are all told with an understated regal style and charm that seems specific to a different era.
Kris is particularly knowledgeable regarding tree issues and caddy programs. He would certainly be a very good person to consult with questions about those two subjects.
« Last Edit: November 15, 2011, 08:08:10 PM by Chris Buie »

Kris Shreiner

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Re: Reflections on Nov. 7-8, 2nd Annual Symposium for Affordable Golf
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2011, 09:37:50 PM »
Michael George,

+1  ;D ;D ;D!

Mac,

There wasn't a course name on the thread, so you blew right by it!  ;D ;D ;D  See ya there next year champ!

Chris,

Meeting the wonderful spirit that is Peggy Kirk Bell was quite a treat. We just have to help her get a solid, in-house caddie program at her timeless resort and she'll have it dialed in her 90th year!

Cheers,
Kris 8)

« Last Edit: November 15, 2011, 09:39:37 PM by Kris Shreiner »
"I said in a talk at the Dunhill Tournament in St. Andrews a few years back that I thought any of the caddies I'd had that week would probably make a good golf course architect. We all want to ask golfers of all abilities to get more out of their games -caddies do that for a living." T.Doak

Kris Shreiner

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Re: Reflections on Nov. 7-8, 2nd Annual Symposium for Affordable Golf
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2011, 01:15:08 AM »
Another subect I didn't include in my initial review was my take on Dormie Club, which I finally played after having walked it twice in the last two years prior to teeing iit up. WHAT A TRACK! While it is still a bit raw and not totally finished out to the presentation level it deserves...the goods are MOST CERTAINLY there. A superb set of par threes headline what, with the proper resource commitment and maturity, would possibly rank only behind Sand Hills in the C&C clutch of outstanding efforts.

It was my good fortune to have a fellow GCAer caddie and squire me around in stellar fashion. My tee game was latent during most of the round, yet that did not detract from my experience or appreciaton for this wonderful property one iota. The variety, shot options and excellent turf conditions were a treat... and on par with PV in many respects, which I was lucky enough to play not two weeks prior.

While visiting Pinehurst, Dormie Club is a MUST for all GCA lovers that can afford the fee, which while not a cheap date, is fine value for the quality of the golf, provided the conditioning levels remain consistent. Take a caddie and enjoy a great day!Two thumbs up for DC!

Cheers,
Kris 8)

"I said in a talk at the Dunhill Tournament in St. Andrews a few years back that I thought any of the caddies I'd had that week would probably make a good golf course architect. We all want to ask golfers of all abilities to get more out of their games -caddies do that for a living." T.Doak

Richard_Mandell

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Re: Reflections on Nov. 7-8, 2nd Annual Symposium for Affordable Golf
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2011, 10:41:48 PM »
Kris:

Thanks for the nice comments about this year's Symposium.  More importantly, thanks for your input all day long as well.  The final tally of attendees was 70 and I had no weather-related cancellations.  In fact,Ii had very few GCAers sign up.

I apologize if the event wasn't publicized enough but we can do just so much without a lot of time to devote due to my main job being hectic (which I would prefer than the alternative).  I did learn that I will need to do more reaching out to individual connectors like Kris to bring people next year and we will do just that.  My personal goal is to get 200 there in 2012.

My plan going forward is to finalize the agenda no later than April 15th, which will give us a good six month to promote the event. 

The date for the Third Symposium On Affordable Golf will be Monday, October 29th and Tuesday the 30th.  This year we will expand the offerings to Tuesday morning and push golf back to Tuesday afternoon. Southern Pines Golf Club will still be the location.

It will again be sponsor-free, free to attend, and offer continuing education for golf pros and supers. I bet LAs and CEs can qualify also.

We will also improve the Golf Experience - Your Way Survey and have it ready to go January 15th.  Thanks to all the suggestions to improve it and make it more user-friendly.  I promise it will be next year.

Shooting to have the White Paper done by the end of the year pending regular workload and here will be video.

Visit www.symposiumonaffordablegolf.com for updates.