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Tony_Muldoon

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Re: Your Top 20 in ENGLAND
« Reply #250 on: January 01, 2018, 07:07:05 AM »


So yet another 2 years on and

Have not been able to tour so much,but managed to play 7 of these since last look. Harder than ever squeezing one in.


Addington

Alwoodley
Burnham and Berrow
Formby
Ganton
Huntercombe
Kington - Cant believe this missed last time
Liphook
Notts
Peranporth
Royal Cinque Ports
Royal St Georges
Royal West Norfolk
Royal Worlington
Rye
Saint Georges Hill
Silloth
Sunningdale Old
St Enedoc
Swinley Forrest
Woking
Let's make GCA grate again!

Mark Chaplin

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Re: Your Top 20 in ENGLAND
« Reply #251 on: January 01, 2018, 07:52:59 AM »
Seen I was shocked we’ve been quoted £110 to play B&B on the way back from Cornwall. Proper punchy.
Cave Nil Vino

Tommy Williamsen

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Re: Your Top 20 in ENGLAND
« Reply #252 on: January 01, 2018, 10:29:51 AM »
     I thoroughly enjoy English golf. Course for course it may have the best collection of inland and links course in the world. I have played about 80 courses in England and have enjoyed most of them. They are in no special order. If I were to choose those I enjoyed the most and would go back and play again it would be the following:
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[/color]Alwoodley[/size][/color]
 Berkshire both (not much difference between them, although not crazy about a par three first hole)
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[/color]Delamere  Forest[/size][/color]
 Ganton
[/size][/color]St Enodoc
[/size]Royal St Georges
[/color][/size]Royal Birkdale
[/color][/size]Beau Desert
[/color][/size]Rye
[/color][/size]Prestbury
[/color][/size]Cavendish
[/color][/size]Walton Heath Old [/color][/size]New
[/color][/size]Reddish Vale
[/color][/size]Alwoodley
[/color][/size]Saunton East and West
[/color][/size]Royal North Devon
[/color][/size]Sunningdale New
[/color][/size]Wentworth East[/color]
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[/font][/size][/color]Wales [/size][/color]Bull Bay[/size]Pennard[/color][/size][/color] [/size][/color]There are some mentioned that I don’t need to see again.
 Sunningdale Old
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[/color]Wentworth West[/size]
[/size][/color]Burnham and Berrow [/size]
[/size][/color]Woodhall Spa[/size][/size][/color]
 Formby
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[/color]Royal Liverpool[/size][/size][/color][/size]
[/color]Little Aston[/size]
[/size][/color]Trevose[/size]
[/size][/color]Woburn any of them[/size]
[/size] Those I want to play.Swinley ForestSt. George’s HillAddingtonSiloth on SolwayRoyal West Norfolk
 
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Sean_A

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Re: Your Top 20 in ENGLAND
« Reply #253 on: January 16, 2018, 05:30:25 AM »

So yet another 2 years on and

Have not been able to tour so much,but managed to play 7 of these since last look. Harder than ever squeezing one in.


Kington - Cant believe this missed last time


Another convert!


Ciao
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Sean_A

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Re: Your Top 20 in ENGLAND
« Reply #254 on: August 14, 2018, 05:57:24 AM »

Sean,

There has been quite a lot of work carried out on the Himalayas nine at Princes. See link below

https://twitter.com/golfarchitects/status/946828013966118912

2nd and 3rd are now one long par 5 with a new par 3 after the old 5th (new 4th) the Himalayas bunker is being restored.

Cheers
Ben

Ben

I had the chance to play The Hims at Princes this winter/spring.  I wasn't in the least impressed.  There is a ton of water on the course and one or two holes definitely feels like Florida during a cold snap. At least the 7th was kept...its probably the best short on any of the THREE courses.  I have been told that it could be the case that the Dunes and Shores will be given the same treatment...gulp.

Ciao
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Sean_A

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Re: Top 20 in ENGLAND
« Reply #255 on: January 23, 2019, 06:27:05 AM »
Tom

The thing about the best 20 in England is that there would be a ton of similarity if quality is the only criteria.  I spose if I had to try for the best 20 my list would be

St Enodoc
Sunny Old
Sandwich
Rye
Deal
St Georges Hill
Formby
Swinley Forest
Birkdale
Sunny New
Woking
Hoylake
Saunton East
Burnham
Brancaster
Addington
Princes
Alwoodley
Beau Desert
Kington

For me, this list isn't anywhere near as interesting as my favourite 20.

Ciao

Doak suckered me into listing a top 20 quality courses in England over five years ago.  I revisited this list and am surprised at how similar it is to now given that many of the new additions are courses I hadn't yet played. 

St Enodoc
Sunny Old
Sandwich
Rye
Deal
St Georges Hill
Formby
Swinley Forest
Birkdale
Sunny New
Woking
Hoylake
Saunton East
Burnham
Brancaster
Addington
Princes
Alwoodley
Beau Desert
Kington
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Pulborough
WHO
Worplesdon
Ganton
Sacred 9
Reigate Heath
Hunstanton

I spose the biggest surprise is Reigate Heath.  Its as if I saw the course in a different light after this last play.  To me, its just about a perfect course, much in the same way the Sacred 9 is.  The roads definitely add to the butt puckering challenge even if they are dangerous in spots.  The course flows beautifully across the property and is attractive in a real golf way rather than a garden way.  Plus, I am starting to realize the full value of 9 holes as a better length of course...at least sometimes. 

I am sticking with Princes despite the naysayers.   I say look harder  8)

Brancaster could easily be slotted in for Hunstanton, but Hunstanton doesn't get the love it deserves so its in!

Worpy too may surprise, but it is a much better course than many realize. 

See page 9 for my 20 favourites....the proper list.

www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,50101.200.html

Ciao
« Last Edit: January 23, 2019, 06:30:50 AM by Sean_A »
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Niall C

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Re: Your Top 20 in ENGLAND
« Reply #256 on: January 23, 2019, 08:37:02 AM »
Sean

That's interesting. As you may recall I played Westward Ho and Beau Desert this year for the first times on the same trip. I loved the experience at WHO and enjoyed the course but Beau Desert simply bowled me over. Where WHO was a bit uneven BD was full of great golf almost from start to finish and both clubs were very friendly.

Not sure therefore on what criteria you picked WHO ahead of BD but would be interested to hear.

Niall

David McIntosh

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Re: Your Top 20 in ENGLAND
« Reply #257 on: January 23, 2019, 08:42:35 AM »

Not sure therefore on what criteria you picked WHO ahead of BD but would be interested to hear.

Niall,

Sean might be meaning Walton Heath (Old)....I’m interested to hear which one made his list!

Matt Dawson

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Re: Your Top 20 in ENGLAND
« Reply #258 on: January 23, 2019, 09:16:06 AM »
Sean

Always enjoy a good list...good news for me here  ;)

I lose track a bit of which lists you have, Sean. Is Fun the same as Favourite, or is Top the same as Favourite? What about your Happy 100 list? What's the one that accounts for best bang for your pound?

Looks like Ganton only now jumps into this list - but confusingly in your previous list it was rated as a 2* course - rare praise indeed from you. I think it doesn't get nearly enough credit for being a really good course

I won't argue about exclusion of The Berkshire or Hollinwell as these lists are by definition personal - but you aren't a million miles away from my own preferences

Interestingly, Ran said on his thread about Pinehurst, that he dreams of retiring to England to play golf. And with 27 English courses in his 147 Custodians list (2nd highest total in the world) I can see why.

I think it's an amazing place to play golf, but then I am biased

PS yes WHO is short for Walton Heath Old

Sean_A

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Re: Your Top 20 in ENGLAND
« Reply #259 on: January 23, 2019, 10:41:16 AM »
Niall

As you know, I admire Beau's architecture and have played it many times over many years.  The presentation of the course is mediocre at best.  Far, far too many trees.  Wishy washy and and uneven bunkering.  Rough which needs to be looked after better. All that said, Beau still makes my top 25 best courses in England....the bones are that good. 

It took a few plays over many years to get fully behind Walton Heath Old.  I undoubtably give it a kick up because of its near true heathland nature.  I wish the fairways were a bit wider, but that is all tied up in championship ideals etc....heavy sigh.   I am not sure the architecture of WHO is as good as Beau's (the greens being a major difference), but the presentation matters and on that score WHO is miles ahead of showing off what it does have.  The rugged bunkering and earthworks combine to create what I think is a very distinctive design.  Don't get me wrong, wider fairways would show off the earthworks even more....one can only dream.

Matt

Notts isn't far off...it would currently make my top 25 quality courses in England, as would Alwoodley, Brancaster and Burnham & Berrow. 

The stars don't completely relate how I think about a course for personal consumption.  They are really recommendation guidelines but including stuff that punters like, such as history etc.  For instance, I would give Lytham 1*, but I don't think its a great course.  For me its a Doak 6...good, but not special.  What makes it special is the Open connection/history...so 1*.  I spose the reverse of this is Addington.  Its hard to believe the caretakers could take a great course and make it as bland as is possible by presentation.  Its a Doak 6 for me, but I would recommend it that highly...its a good day trip course...thats about it...which is perverse given how many cool holes there are.

RECOMMENDATION GUIDE                  

3* Don’t Miss For Any Reason                 
2* Plan A Significant Trip Around This Course                 
1* Worth An Overnight Stay                 
R Worth A Significant Day Trip (no more driving than it takes to play and have drinks)                 
r  A Good Fall Back On/Trip Filler                 
NR Not Recommended     

Ciao
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James Boon

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Re: Your Top 20 in ENGLAND
« Reply #260 on: January 23, 2019, 12:06:43 PM »
Notts isn't far off...it would currently make my top 25 quality courses in England, as would Alwoodley, Brancaster and Burnham & Berrow. 


Ciao


I was going to say that with no Hollinwell on the list of 20 you were dead to me, but if its in your 25 I'll let you off!  ;)


Cheers,


James
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Ryan Coles

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Re: Your Top 20 in ENGLAND
« Reply #261 on: January 23, 2019, 01:14:14 PM »
Sean


Do you think it’s a case of familiarity breeds contempt in not listing Burnham as a top 20?


Could it be that your head has been turned by the grass being greener (or browner!) rather than fully appreciate what you have at home?


I thinking in terms of how good Burnham is in the winter for example and you’ve stated that playing conditions are a factor.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2019, 02:47:38 PM by Ryan Coles »

Niall C

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Re: Your Top 20 in ENGLAND
« Reply #262 on: January 23, 2019, 02:26:45 PM »
David - yes, my mistake.

Sean

Re Beau Desert - when I played I certainly didn't find it in any way oppressive or narrow. I played with a couple of different groups on the way round and from memory both mentioned recent storms bringing down trees allied to a programme of tree removal, particularly on one of the par 3's (6th ?), in recent years. Maybe it was tighter before ?

Overall, enjoying rereading this thread. It is only in recent years I've managed to play a bit more in England and interested to note some of those I've been lucky to play making it onto some lists.

Niall

Mark Pearce

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Re: Your Top 20 in ENGLAND
« Reply #263 on: January 23, 2019, 02:43:26 PM »
These things are very subjective.  I'd play Hollinwell or Silloth over 2 or 3 on your list without pausing for thought but it is a pretty good list and the omission of those two is understandable.  The one course on your list I really don't get is Worpy.  It's good but to me looks oddly out of place in that list.
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Thomas Dai

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Re: Your Top 20 in ENGLAND
« Reply #264 on: January 23, 2019, 03:25:31 PM »
It’s not the removal of Beau Desert or Burnham or even the others that surprises me but the removal from Seans list of .... drum roll ..... Kington!!! :)
Atb

Buddy Aiken

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Re: Your Top 20 in ENGLAND
« Reply #265 on: January 23, 2019, 04:15:39 PM »
I don’t post here often, but this thread really struck a chord. I had the pleasure of living and working in London for almost 20 years (moved back to the States 10 years ago).  These are my twenty favorite golf experiences in England:

Rye
Worlington
Sandwich
Woking
Sunningdale – Old
Deal
New Zealand
Hunstanton
Swinley Forest
Brancaster
Berkshire – Red
Royal North Devon
Hollinwell
Sunningdale – New
Royal Ashdown Forest
St George’s Hill
Walton Heath - Old
Hoylake
Berkhamsted
Formby

Sadly, in reading through the thread I still have some gaps in the CV!!

Sean_A

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Re: Your Top 20 in ENGLAND
« Reply #266 on: January 24, 2019, 03:19:33 AM »
Ryan

I respect Burnham more than I love it.  That is why it always features higher on my quality lists compared to my favourites lists. The course evolved over many decades and the result is an out and back course split in the main by dune ridge which is rarely used.  I am convinced that land contains a more daring and better course.  So there is that.  Secondly, I do not like the cut lines of the course.  There are so many places where the fairway has been dragged in tight for no apparent reason.  I think the course would actually be better as a wider version of itself, but of course that doesn't matter much in the winter with the rough down.

Niall

Imagine the 7th clearing on every hole!  If you like what you see on 7 the same should hold true for most of the course.  An example of trees mucking things up.  #2, the daily tee is stuck down on the right where it used to be left of the 1st green.  There difference in the tee shot is incredible.  When firm and playing from the left tee, it is difficult to hold the reverse camber fairway. Why, because trees encroach well inside the tree line down left so you can't play for skirting the rough in case it you hung up there and blocked out.  Of course, I expect those that don't want to see trees come out will say there is a path left of the fairway so trees encourage golfers to stay right...which is very difficult in summer.  Solution, play the right tee and forget about what should be a very cool tee shot.  4, 5, 6, 8, 11, 13 & 14 all have bad tree issues.  Then add the nasty rough in conjunction with trees and the course becomes too restrictive imo...too much dictated play.  We also mustn't forget the muted effect of wind due to the trees. I have long been convinced the Fowler design is among the very best of English inland golf, but his vision has been trampled upon.

ATB

Your point about Kington hits home.  The course does need to be firm and accompanied by wind to get the full impact of the design.  I can't say that is as much the case with the courses I placed above Kington. Still, top 25 is remarkable...no?

Mark

Worpy simply has too many good to excellent holes to ignore.  3, 4, 5, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16 & 17.  Plus, other holes add to the test of the course sometimes with funk as in 6 & 16, sometimes with challenge as in 2, 15 & 18, sometimes with pleasurable excitement as in 10.  The entire package is imo very special and one not to be missed when near London.  It is only the greens which tip me toward Woking, but Worpy has some cool greens as well.  Nope, Worpy gets easily overlooked among the heathland darlings, but it shouldn't.

Ciao
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Scott Warren

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Re: Your Top 20 in ENGLAND
« Reply #267 on: January 24, 2019, 04:43:26 AM »
I’m very much with Sean when it comes to Worplesdon.


The land use on the opening loop, the magnificent greens later in the front nine, the brilliance of 12 & 13 and the boldness of 16 & 17 then an unconventional home hole.


Huge fan. The club scene there is also brilliant, but I don’t think that’s causing me to inflate my view of the golf course.


But then again I am a humongous fan of Hankley, and most of you lot bagged the shit out of it following the Buda that went there...

Ben Stephens

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Re: Your Top 20 in ENGLAND
« Reply #268 on: January 24, 2019, 06:23:30 AM »
I’m very much with Sean when it comes to Worplesdon.


The land use on the opening loop, the magnificent greens later in the front nine, the brilliance of 12 & 13 and the boldness of 16 & 17 then an unconventional home hole.


Huge fan. The club scene there is also brilliant, but I don’t think that’s causing me to inflate my view of the golf course.


But then again I am a humongous fan of Hankley, and most of you lot bagged the shit out of it following the Buda that went there...


Scott,


Having been to Hankley and Liphook for BUDA. Hankley was a disappointment generally as the course looked a bit tired and it had more potential than it actually presented. For me I can't remember much of it which is usual if it was not memorable


Liphook was a great surprise and awesome they are now overcoming the dangerous road situation by realigning/creating new holes and I would be interested seeing it come to fruition. Also it was the venue of the most famous BUDA David and Goliath moment as Jim Goby aka Mighty Mouse managed to overcome Philip Gawith the African Animal and the driving distances between the two was astounding.


Sean


To leave Notts out of the top 20 is criminal - to me it is the best inland course in ENGLAND. Better than Woodhall and Ganton even the Sunnys IMO.


Cheers
Ben

Matt Dawson

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Re: Your Top 20 in ENGLAND
« Reply #269 on: January 24, 2019, 10:53:25 AM »
I don’t post here often, but this thread really struck a chord. I had the pleasure of living and working in London for almost 20 years (moved back to the States 10 years ago).  These are my twenty favorite golf experiences in England:

Rye
Worlington
Sandwich
Woking
Sunningdale – Old
Deal
New Zealand
Hunstanton
Swinley Forest
Brancaster
Berkshire – Red
Royal North Devon
Hollinwell
Sunningdale – New
Royal Ashdown Forest
St George’s Hill
Walton Heath - Old
Hoylake
Berkhamsted
Formby

Sadly, in reading through the thread I still have some gaps in the CV!!

Buddy

Good to hear from you...enjoyed our games when you lived here.

Find a way to get Ganton in this list (RAF I can take or leave...) and this would basically be my top 20 as well.

Rob McGuirk

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Re: Your Top 20 in ENGLAND
« Reply #270 on: January 25, 2019, 07:38:43 AM »
My Top 20 in no particular order:


Royal St Georges
Royal Birkdale
Hunstanton
Swinley Forest
Berkshire (Red)
Knole Park
Prince's
St Georges Hill
Rye
St Enedoc
Saunton (East)
Little Aston
West Sussex
Formby
Woking
Burnham and Berrow
Woodhall Spa
Remedy Oak
Notts
Hayling Island




Alternatives: Chart Hills, Littlestone, Isle Purbeck....

Jeff Schley

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Re: Your Top 20 in ENGLAND
« Reply #271 on: January 25, 2019, 12:16:56 PM »
What a wonderful find.  I haven't even played 20 courses in England so using this as a resources for sure.  Heading to Deal later this spring and knock off a few.  Just booked Sunningdale Old/New in May for a 36 hole walk.
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Mark Saltzman

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Re: Top 20 in ENGLAND
« Reply #272 on: January 25, 2019, 11:35:57 PM »
Tom

The thing about the best 20 in England is that there would be a ton of similarity if quality is the only criteria.  I spose if I had to try for the best 20 my list would be

St Enodoc
Sunny Old
Sandwich
Rye
Deal
St Georges Hill
Formby
Swinley Forest
Birkdale
Sunny New
Woking
Hoylake
Saunton East
Burnham
Brancaster
Addington
Princes
Alwoodley
Beau Desert
Kington

For me, this list isn't anywhere near as interesting as my favourite 20.

Ciao

Doak suckered me into listing a top 20 quality courses in England over five years ago.  I revisited this list and am surprised at how similar it is to now given that many of the new additions are courses I hadn't yet played. 

St Enodoc
Sunny Old
Sandwich
Rye
Deal
St Georges Hill
Formby
Swinley Forest
Birkdale
Sunny New
Woking
Hoylake
Saunton East
Burnham
Brancaster
Addington
Princes
Alwoodley
Beau Desert
Kington
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Pulborough
WHO
Worplesdon
Ganton
Sacred 9
Reigate Heath
Hunstanton

I spose the biggest surprise is Reigate Heath.  Its as if I saw the course in a different light after this last play.  To me, its just about a perfect course, much in the same way the Sacred 9 is.  The roads definitely add to the butt puckering challenge even if they are dangerous in spots.  The course flows beautifully across the property and is attractive in a real golf way rather than a garden way.  Plus, I am starting to realize the full value of 9 holes as a better length of course...at least sometimes. 

I am sticking with Princes despite the naysayers.   I say look harder  8)

Brancaster could easily be slotted in for Hunstanton, but Hunstanton doesn't get the love it deserves so its in!

Worpy too may surprise, but it is a much better course than many realize. 

See page 9 for my 20 favourites....the proper list.

www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,50101.200.html

Ciao


Sean, surprising that you prefer Hoylake to S&A, Holinwell and Lytham. 


Hard to comprehend Kington outside the top-20, but going over your list it is hard to find a course it should replace... quite a lot of quality golf in England!


How far ahead of Cavendish would you place Kington?

Sean_A

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Re: Top 20 in ENGLAND
« Reply #273 on: January 26, 2019, 06:21:48 AM »
Tom

The thing about the best 20 in England is that there would be a ton of similarity if quality is the only criteria.  I spose if I had to try for the best 20 my list would be

St Enodoc
Sunny Old
Sandwich
Rye
Deal
St Georges Hill
Formby
Swinley Forest
Birkdale
Sunny New
Woking
Hoylake
Saunton East
Burnham
Brancaster
Addington
Princes
Alwoodley
Beau Desert
Kington

For me, this list isn't anywhere near as interesting as my favourite 20.

Ciao

Doak suckered me into listing a top 20 quality courses in England over five years ago.  I revisited this list and am surprised at how similar it is to now given that many of the new additions are courses I hadn't yet played. 

St Enodoc
Sunny Old
Sandwich
Rye
Deal
St Georges Hill
Formby
Swinley Forest
Birkdale
Sunny New
Woking
Hoylake
Saunton East
Burnham
Brancaster
Addington
Princes
Alwoodley
Beau Desert
Kington
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Pulborough
WHO
Worplesdon
Ganton
Sacred 9
Reigate Heath
Hunstanton

I spose the biggest surprise is Reigate Heath.  Its as if I saw the course in a different light after this last play.  To me, its just about a perfect course, much in the same way the Sacred 9 is.  The roads definitely add to the butt puckering challenge even if they are dangerous in spots.  The course flows beautifully across the property and is attractive in a real golf way rather than a garden way.  Plus, I am starting to realize the full value of 9 holes as a better length of course...at least sometimes. 

I am sticking with Princes despite the naysayers.   I say look harder  8)

Brancaster could easily be slotted in for Hunstanton, but Hunstanton doesn't get the love it deserves so its in!

Worpy too may surprise, but it is a much better course than many realize. 

See page 9 for my 20 favourites....the proper list.

www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,50101.200.html

Ciao

Sean, surprising that you prefer Hoylake to S&A, Holinwell and Lytham. 

Hard to comprehend Kington outside the top-20, but going over your list it is hard to find a course it should replace... quite a lot of quality golf in England!

How far ahead of Cavendish would you place Kington?

I definitely prefer Notts to the others you mentioned, but Hoylake to me is a bit of an outlier.  I really like the use of OOB, reverse camber fairways (less so now with the added bunkers) and the odd funky hole.  There is a beautiful intangible aspect to Hoylake which I don't fully understand.  The turf too helps when compared to Notts.  I guess I respect Hoylake more than I love it.  I don't have much time Lytham or S&A.  Yes, good courses, but not ones which turn my head.  Day in and day out, I would prefer Notts over the other three, however, I wouldn't mind playing Hoylake again, its been a while. 

On the reverse side of the coin, there is something intangible (could be the greens aren't terribly interesting) about Notts which makes me like it less than I should.  The "hill" holes really set the course apart.  For me, it might be the course is too long.  I have never played it from forward tees...or really tees which make the fairway bunkers make total sense for me.  The jump from the 6600 yard tees the red 5900 yards is quite a bit.  I fear for me to get the most interest out of the design I need to play some areas inbetween.  The culture of the club is to play the 6900 tees and that is certainly too long to get full enjoyment out of my game. These days, I find Burnham's 6500 yellow tees too long...certainly in winter.  I usually wind up bouncing around tees to make the walk better and the course more enjoyable. 

I think Kington & Cavendish are pretty equal in terms of design quality.  I would probably give the nod to Kington for superior playing conditions.  My respect for Cavendish has been steadily growing over many years.  Its a very overlooked course and one I would always be happy to play.

Ciao
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Rich Goodale

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Re: Your Top 20 in ENGLAND
« Reply #274 on: January 31, 2019, 11:27:24 AM »
I couldn't stick at 20 given that I've only played 24 courses in England, all of which have significant merit.  In order of first play, 1981-2018, the following:


Rye
Sandwich
Deal
Westward Ho!
Hoylake
Birkdale
Hesketh
Lytham
Painswick
Littlestone
Wallasey
Seaton Carew
Swinley Forest
Liphook
West Hill
Hankley Common
Alwoodley
Sheringham
Silloth
Hunstanton
Holinwell
Sherwood Forrest

The Northumberland
Tadmarton Heath









Life is good.

Any afterlife is unlikely and/or dodgy.

Jean-Paul Parodi