Personally I love them both, but a not to be named individual says Pine Valley's hole is great, but Old Mac is the worst hole on that course. I don't understand how someone could hate virtually the same hole. He says you get unfriendly bounces at Old Mac. Well push or pull your drive a little at PV and you are toast. PV certainly requires a more accurate shot. Maybe he hates OM because it does not reward accuracy and a bad drive still gives you a shot at the green. I can buy that theory, but...