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Lou_Duran

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Re: Little River Closed and for Sale (Carthage, NC)
« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2019, 01:06:04 PM »
Matt,


Put Wolf Point in the search function and you should be able to pull a lot of useful information.  The link below takes you to a good course analysis.


http://golfclubatlas.com/courses-by-country/usa/wolf-point-ranch/

I don't know the current status of the course other than that Don Mahaffey is no longer involved.  Hopefully they are doing sufficient mothballing maintenance while it is being marketed.

Jason Topp

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Re: Little River Closed and for Sale (Carthage, NC)
« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2019, 01:06:30 PM »

Could you describe what architectural qualities at Wolf Point make you give it such high praise? It sounds like a golf course I would love to play.


http://golfclubatlas.com/courses-by-country/usa/wolf-point-ranch/


Matt Halliday

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Re: Little River Closed and for Sale (Carthage, NC)
« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2019, 01:12:29 PM »
Jason & Lou
Thank you!

Craig Disher

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Re: Little River Closed and for Sale (Carthage, NC)
« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2019, 02:33:48 PM »
I can't recall if the reason for BeechTree being closed was discussed on GCA.com.  Was it financial issues, or the land just being worth too much to not sell for residential development?
The latter. Employee expansion at Aberdeen Proving Grounds increased land value for residential housing. The owners were presented with a very nice offer and in spite of the club doing well financially, they felt they had to sell.



astavrides

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Re: Little River Closed and for Sale (Carthage, NC)
« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2019, 04:59:13 PM »
I can't recall if the reason for BeechTree being closed was discussed on GCA.com.  Was it financial issues, or the land just being worth too much to not sell for residential development?
The latter. Employee expansion at Aberdeen Proving Grounds increased land value for residential housing. The owners were presented with a very nice offer and in spite of the club doing well financially, they felt they had to sell.


Yeah, I heard some military base or whatever in NJ closed and a lot of the people there were going to Aberdeen.

Bernie Bell

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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Little River Closed and for Sale (Carthage, NC)
« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2020, 06:54:53 AM »
Coming in 2024
~Elmira Country Club
~Soaring Eagles
~Bonavista
~Indian Hills
~Maybe some more!!

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Little River Closed and for Sale (Carthage, NC)
« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2020, 07:01:34 AM »
LRF is where I shook hands with Cory Lewis for the first (only?) time. Good guy. Quick handshake :)


I enjoyed LRF the 2 times I visited (about 7 years apart-Summer and later Winter) but totally get how TD would have done better than DM. I suspect this scenario: Dan, I'm your local banker, and you know I always push business your way. Do what the developer wants~Dan: OK ... versus this one ... Tom, we know you're young and brash and write books and build great courses. Do what the develper wants~Tom: No.


Some of the holes were odd carries over expanses of water. Not sure if that massive puddle was always there, or if they dug it. Certainly not great for golf. Couple holes in the wooded lowlands were always wet. Fans didn't help, nor did overhanging trees.


I wonder how much Dan imitated his dad in his architecture, and how much he went off on his own. I know that Ellis worked form DJRjr., but he didn't seem to take much away.
Coming in 2024
~Elmira Country Club
~Soaring Eagles
~Bonavista
~Indian Hills
~Maybe some more!!

A.G._Crockett

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Re: Little River Closed and for Sale (Carthage, NC)
« Reply #33 on: February 03, 2020, 01:07:14 PM »


I wonder how much Dan imitated his dad in his architecture, and how much he went off on his own. I know that Ellis worked form DJRjr., but he didn't seem to take much away.
Ronald,This is a good question, and one about which I have thought quite a bit as I've played their courses in the Carolinas over the years.
As a very general answer, I'll say this: I've enjoyed every Ellis Maples course I've played, and I consider him to be similar to George Cobb and Joe Lee in that regard.  Perhaps not the top shelf or on Top Ten or Hundred lists, but solid and fun and good for all levels of golfers.  Looking at his list of courses, I suspect that he took almost any job offered, and built to almost any budget as well.  And some of his courses are showing their age and are probably not in a budgetary position to do much about it, whether because the membership has aged too much, or because they never were in a position to do more.
Dan's courses give the impression of perhaps having been higher budget developments to begin with, and I've liked most of them fine, and some quite a lot.  In fairness to his father, I'd say that Dan's work AT TIMES is a little bit less "user friendly" than his father's; The Pit was a notable example, even on that piece of real estate, I don't think that is the course that Ellis Maples would have built. 

One interesting comparison of the two is at Bermuda Run, where Ellis did the original course, now the East Course, and Dan added the West Course later.  I've played both a couple of times, and I like the East a little bit better, BUT I'm open to the possibility that over time I might come to feel the other way around.
In regard to this thread, I have a hard time imagining that the problem with LR was about the Maples name.  Far more likely is that LR got pushed out of one of the most difficult public golf markets in the country because it was an undercapitalized standalone. 
"Golf...is usually played with the outward appearance of great dignity.  It is, nevertheless, a game of considerable passion, either of the explosive type, or that which burns inwardly and sears the soul."      Bobby Jones