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Scott Warren

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A week has passed since National Golf Links of America and I spent a wonderful day together and I've only really stopped thinking of her for a few minutes at a time since. The most common words out of my mouth the final week of my holiday with my wife were a distracted "I'm sorry, what were you saying?".

This tour won't go nearly as in-depth as Pat Mucci's wonderful Enchanted Journey series (one play vs dozens [hundreds?], so how could it?) -- but I can promise you that it will move at a faster pace!

The golf course is as packed with thrilling and fun shots as anything I have played, is home to maybe the best set of greens I've seen, is built on fantastic land for golf in a beautiful location, is playable for any standard of golfer and is far from a pushover despite modest length.

That is a remarkable list of attributes and I hope my photos and commentary will show all those factors.

Likewise, where criticism of the MacRaynor style often includes the words "unnatural" and "engineered", I hope this might also illustrate that the two need not be mutually exclusive.


The routing: The course begins in the bottom right of the above picture and heads towards the top of the frame, staying on the right of the course, before the back nine begins at the middle of the picture and snakes its way back to the 18th, seen sitting beside the water at the bottom.

Significant changes of direction come at the 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 13th, 14th and 18th -- showing once more that an out and back routing needn't mean that the wind will be hitting you from the same predictable directions all day.

At the top centre-left of the picture is Shinnecock Hills and Sebonack now occupies the wooded area on the right.

1st - Valley - 315 yards All yardages from the green "regular" tees, which measure 6505 yards. The "championship" course is 6935 yards and the "short" course is 5771 yards. From all three tees the course plays to a par of 72.
The opening drive may be the most unnerving on the course. It looks more narrow than it plays, but at such a modest length an iron is a definite option. The temptation is to drive down the left to avoid a blind second over the centre-right fairway bunker to maybe the most complex, wild green on the course, though that requires a longer carry over rough and blind bunkers. The yardage screams "birdie", but there can't be too many golfers who are disappointed to write down "4" as they walk to the 2nd tee.






2nd - Sahara - 290 yards
The first of several blind drives, with but ample room right for a safer tee shot. The green can be reached, but doing so requires a brave line roughly half-way between the sand and windmill in the picture below. Those trying their luck at reaching the green can't afford to err to the right, where the fairway falls away dramatically, feeding the ball towards rough, or at best an uphill half wedge from a sidehill lie to a slightly domed green that's largely sloping away from you! As with many holes to come, your potential for distance is only as good as your likelihood of successfully executing the shot, because while there are great benefits for bravery at NGLA, there is also tremendous punishment for a misguided display of brawn.






3rd - Alps - 407 yards
The first of the iconic holes. The drive is all about trying to get as far up the right-hand side as possible to reduce the blindness, or so it seemed to me. There was a little flat saucer in the right of the fairway about 270 from the tee (see second pic), leaving about 140 yards in from a level lie (rare in this fairway) -- about as ideal as you could want. About 250 yards off the tee is a little bunker to catch a ball that either doesn't fade or is drawn too strongly, and of course short and left of that is plenty of fairway for even the meekest bail-out. The boldness of the green surprised me, and unfortunately I didn't get a photo that did it justice, so you'll just have to look at the drama that leads to that green and imagine a surface in keeping with that!








4th - Redan - 181 yards
All the fantastic features of the original Redan hole at North Berwick, with the added feature of seeing your well-executed draw land at the front right and release towards the hole. While pictures of greens rarely convey a true sense of slope, I think the below image shows how the green is the perfect combination of sufficient tilt to do what a Redan should and flat areas to provide pin positions. And to those who categorise MacRaynor design as unnatural, just look how the hole sits on the the hillside as comfortably as you could want. I can understand why this hole is held as the ideal Redan.






5th - Hog's Back - 451 yards
Formerly a par five, this hole is now considered a two-shotter on the scorecard. Having avoided the central trench bunker off the tee, your long approach has every chance of running onto the green, which feeds nicely with an open front and right-hand (high) side. For me, the lion's share of the challenge is in picking and committing to the right line on the blind tee shot, with the braver line left of the bunker to a narrower finger of fairway improving the angle to the green.




6th - Short - 123 yards
Short has one of the most interesting greens on the course, with front right, front left and rear segments connected by a central bowl, where you see the pin cut below. With a wedge in hand, the demand is for precise execution. The green edges feed into bunkers in several areas, reducing the actual green area to aim at. The wind is also likely to be a factor, blowing across as you play down from the elevated tee. A great example of challenge being created without reliance on length and without stopping a golfer earning a birdie with strong play.





7th - St. Andrews - 467 yards
One thing the best courses I have played -- Royal Melbourne, Pine Valley, NGLA -- have in common is great tee shot interest courtesy of diagonal hazards that offer incremental reward for the golfer who knows his limitations, but is willing to demand all of his ability -- or savvy enough to shape a drive that turns along the length of the hazard to steal precious extra distance. They also have wonderful greens that combine artfully with tee shot strategy. Nowhere is that combination more successfully achieved than on this hole, with a natural rise providing the blindness created by the tram sheds on the original Road hole, with bunkers and tall fescue replacing the out of bounds on the 17th at The Old Course. The green is a perfect recreation of the Road Hole green's features -- severe front pot bunker, steep rise, dastardly hazard at the back of the green (a 10ft-deep bunker in this case) to demand that even if your brave drive down the right brings you in range of the green, you need to be absolutely precise to be putting for eagle. It's an ideal "par 4.5" hole with modern technology.






8th - Bottle - 385 yards
Do you thread your tee shot down the tree line on the right and come in from an angle? Do you take on the diagonal bunkers entering from the left for a flatter approach to the green? Do you split the difference and cosy up next to the central hazards? It seems to me that this is as much of a "pick your poison" tee shot as you can get and the daily conditions will contribute to your decision as much as what's on the ground. The approach is pure fear, playing over the deep front cross-bunkers to a green with a gigantic false front that is all you can see of the putting surface from even 80 yards short. With the slight uphill nature of the hole it's likely you'll have a mid iron at least for what appeared to me as one of the two or three most fearsome shots on the entire course, though putting is generally easier than elsewhere on the course once you've found the green. On a hole many will fail to reach in regulation, I also enjoyed the downslope from 60 yards and in that creates an awkward half-wedge and rewards the player who lays up smartly further back.






9th - Long - 534 yards
Another great question off the tee courtesy of the diagonal bunker that allows the player who drives down the right to avoid having to fly "Hell" bunker on the second shot. Though technology allows us to get past that deep expanse of sand more easily than in years gone by, it is still a hazard best bypassed. From the elevated tee you also see the varity of bunker styles employed at National: the deep, narrow trench bunker to carry; steep-faced expanse of sand on the left and, cutting off the fairway up the right, grade-level areas of exposed sand. All three are used well throughout the course. The approach is one of the easier wedges on the course provided your first two strikes were true, though as the sedate green slopes slightly away from you, distance control becomes tricky to a back pin.






10th - Shinnecock - 420 yards
And so, having snaked to the far reaches of the property with changes in direction after the 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 8th, we turn for home and find the hole's namesake course through a narrow grove of trees to the right. The drive is to a wide fairway with a carry bunker easily flown to set up an approach to an enormous two-tiered green, its high back platform occupying perhaps just 20 per cent of the surface and that epic front portion blind from many points in the fairway. We are on the flatter land of the course from here until the 12th and to hold the golfer's interest, Macdonald built three of the most fascinating greens on the course. Making that small back section easier to hold, there is a steep backboard that keeps balls from running long if they are struck slightly too hard.




11th - Plateau - 418 yards
A brilliant Double Plateau green here on a flat piece of land, obviously built by man, but when it creates such interesting shots you'd be a hard marker to complain. Adding to the approach shot interest is that the target will be blocked by the mounds that protect the road crossing the fairway (which you also hit across with your drive at the 8th). The entire near side of the green is free of bunkers, so you can choose an approach -- aerial or running -- to suit the distance, pin and daily conditions.




12th - Sebonac - 427 yards
The final hole in the trio of lengthy two-shotters that begins the back nine asks for a drive over a gentle slope with a greater kick forward provided to balls that flirt with the bunkers up the left. The green is domed, with a ferocious deep bunker long and a false front short, while the golfer's approach view is unbroken until the far side of Bullhead Bay, making depth perception tricky. Like the 5th, 8th and 15th greens, there is little internal contour, but the steady slope ensures anything left above the hole will be far from a comfortable two-putt. False fronts feature on a good number of holes on the course, perhaps best at the 8th, here and the 15th -- in all three cases you feel you have far less target area than you do in reality.




13th - Eden - 159 yards
A fantastic recreation of the original hole at TOC -- a steep green, well-placed Hill and Strath bunkers, a deep trench bunker behind the green substituting for the Eden estuary and ample space on the right to cut the pin behind Strath. You can even see Shell bunker just over the maintenance road. As with the other two par threes at National, this hole turns perpendicular to the general out and back direction and plays in a prevailing crosswind. The back bunker wraps right around the right-hand side of the green.




14th - Cape - 341 yards
The major challenge here lies in choosing a line off the tee that is neither too far left, where it will find leavy rough, nor too far right, where water lurks along with sand. The fairway is the most "linksy" on the course, almost certainly making for an uneven lie and/or stance on the delicate approach. The built-up green juts out into the hazard that wraps around its right-hand side, but an open front allows for a running approach, something thankfully provided for by the conditioning.






15th - Narrows - 368 yards
The name doesn't lie. After playing to generous fairways for most of the round, this one -- still not narrow by modern standards -- feels like a single carriageway and the severity of the green means you're keen to cover every possible yard of the journey on the tee shot. The green looks like it is 90% false front, though in reality there is more room up top than it seems. But playing on your mind is a 10ft-deep bunker at the back, with the green sloping away from it -- a shot you don't ever want to leave yourself. The result is a shot like those at the 8th and 12th where both long and short are bad results and you're just trying to gentle one to any part of the green that will hold the ball.






16th - Punchbowl - 394 yards
A chance to open the shoulders, though accuracy is paramount if you want to tread the tightrope of the high ground in the centre of the fairway that separates deep bowls both left and right. The greensite, set down low over a dune as the name suggests, is subtle and understated and with the windmill set above it on the hillside it might be one of the most idyllic spots on the entire course. Of course it also provides that great thrill of hitting a solid approach and then cresting the dune in front of the green minutes later to find out where your ball settled. A great example of Macdonald (and Raynor) using the natural movement of the land in siting their templates.








17th - Peconic - 342 yards
From a high tee with an expansive view over the bay, you have to decide whether you can carry the partially-obscured trench that runs down the left at a diagonal, or if you're going to veer right and navigate over or between the central bunkers in the fairway. Either flank will afford you a view of the green, but by splitting the difference you're left behind a dune of exposed sand with just the top of the flagstick in view. With the deep bunker that sits behind the green, it's really a shot -- although only a wedge or even a pitch -- that you'd like to undertake with a clear view of the target. And with no shelter from whichever wind is blowing, your tee shot line is as dependent on the day's conditions as any shot on the course.








18th - Home - 483 yards
The drive is exciting, with two cavernous bunkers on the left and a steep drop on the right-hand bay side of the fairway, leaving an uphill, blind second to an area that is wide, but dotted with sand -- though it is more visible if you have successfully challenged the bunkers off the tee. The green provides a stern test for your final full shot of the day, running to a cliff on the right and far deeper than it might seem. To make the back pins even tougher, the green narrows at its rear and a miss to the "safe" left-hand side is no picnic either. This and the penultimate hole pair well with the opening two to create a start and finish that play far tougher than the card distance indicates.



« Last Edit: September 15, 2012, 08:59:31 AM by Scott Warren »

Ash Towe

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Great photos and description of the course.

Many thanks Scott.

Anthony Gray

That took alot of effort . Well done and thank you Scott

Michael George

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Scott:

Thanks so much.  Great pictures and nice concise descriptions.  I understand your crush on this girl.  What a place. 

Everytime I see the picture of the first tee, I picture Macdonald storming off to the clubhouse after his nephew drove the green.  The most expensive shot in the history of golf. 

Some day. 
"First come my wife and children.  Next comes my profession--the law. Finally, and never as a life in itself, comes golf" - Bob Jones

Kevin Pallier

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Scott

I look forward to exploring your thoughts on this course. Favorite holes ? Shots ?

One thing I disagree with is your thoughts on Eden - for mine it's a much lesser hole than that at TOC.

Mac Plumart

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Very nice start to this thread, Scott.  I hope the discussion continues.  Congrats!
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Mike McGuire

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Stunning views. Shows what possible if you don't muck a site up with trees.

If I had a list of courses I wanted to play - NGLA would be #1

Patrick Kiser

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Good stuff Scott / Tom.

Not much to add or say, but is this the best time of year or is this the best time of year to experience NGLA.  Great contrasting colors.

The real question is how was the lobster and how many Southsides?

Thanks for sharing.
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“One natural hazard, however, which is more
or less of a nuisance, is water. Water hazards
absolutely prohibit the recovery shot, perhaps
the best shot in the game.” —William Flynn, golf
course architect

Mark Chaplin

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Is there a better day out in golf?
Cave Nil Vino

Mac Plumart

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Scott...

In terms of playing the course and experiencing the club, what were you expecting and how did it end up being?

Does that make sense?

When I play a big time course, I try to take notes prior to the round on what I "think" I am going to experience and then after the round take notes on what it was and compare the two sets of notes.  Do you have any interesting insight into your before, during, and after notes on NGLA?  (Or am I just a fruitcake?   :) )
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Scott Warren

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KP:
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One thing I disagree with is your thoughts on Eden - for mine it's a much lesser hole than that at TOC.

I agree the TOC version is superior, largely because 1. the trees behind the Eden green at NGLA give you that reassurance of the yardage and you feel more comfortable, and 2. The knoll short right of the Hill bunker is also a great feature on the version at TOC, where a running approach is likely to be an option fairly regularly.



Patrick:
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The real question is how was the lobster and how many Southsides?

Delicious and just the one. This was one day I didn't want to evaporate from my memory in a drunken haze!

Chappers:
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Is there a better day out in golf?

If there is, I haven't experienced it. In terms of a round of golf where I was constantly confronted by brilliant hole after brilliant hole, none reminiscent of another on the course, only Pine Valley and perhaps Royal Melbourne (West) can compare. But for setting and apres golf, NGLA must be hard to top.

Mac:
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In terms of playing the course and experiencing the club, what were you expecting and how did it end up being?

Does that make sense?

When I play a big time course, I try to take notes prior to the round on what I "think" I am going to experience and then after the round take notes on what it was and compare the two sets of notes.  Do you have any interesting insight into your before, during, and after notes on NGLA?  (Or am I just a fruitcake? :) )

No, I can't say I prepare like that. I deliberately don't do too much reading or looking at pics before most rounds at a new course so I will be surprised by what I see. I might read Ran's review of the course if he has done one or find a thread for a quick read, but only to the point that once I see something and am amazed by it, I recall what I had seen/read, rather than walking up to a hole knowing what I am in for.

I guess having played a bunch of the template inspiration holes and a couple of Raynor's versions I was keen to see Alps, Redan, Punchbowl etc and otherwise I was just excited to see what the course and experience were like.

Of course those holes are spectacular, but the likes of 1, 12, 17 and 18 (as with 3, 7, 12 and 18 at Fishers Island and 7, 8, 11 and 18 at Yale) show there was much more to Macdonald and Raynor than building templates.

Likewise, comparing the Edens at NGLA, Fishers, Yale and MPCC Dunes - the Biarritz holes at Fishers and Yale - the Redans at NGLA, Fishers and Yale - the assorted Double Plateau greens, Road holes/greens etc, it's immediately apparent that there was a lot of craft involved in adapting these templates to each site, rather than just plonking the same hole down all over the place, unsympathetic to the land as some people like to allege.

My Macdonald and Raynor experience is still very limited (Fishers, Yale, National and what's left of Raynor at MPCC Dunes), but the more I see, the more I enjoy what they did and I do not accept the "unnatural, engineered" tag that some people apply to their work. But the simple fact is that even where the holes are noticeably built by man, Macdonald and Raynor built great golf holes and when they moved earth, they moved it in the line of play to build challenge and interest, not on the flanks to create a setting.
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Matthew Mollica

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Excellent stuff Scott. Thanks so much for the images and descriptions. Hope you enjoy the rest of the trip!

MM
"The truth about golf courses has a slightly different expression for every golfer. Which of them, one might ask, is without the most definitive convictions concerning the merits or deficiencies of the links he plays over? Freedom of criticism is one of the last privileges he is likely to forgo."

Mac Plumart

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Likewise, comparing the Edens at NGLA, Fishers, Yale and MPCC Dunes - the Biarritz holes at Fishers and Yale - the Redans at NGLA, Fishers and Yale - the assorted Double Plateau greens, Road holes/greens etc, it's immediately apparent that there was a lot of craft involved in adapting these templates to each site, rather than just plonking the same hole down all over the place, unsympathetic to the land as some people like to allege.

My Macdonald and Raynor experience is still very limited (Fishers, Yale, National and what's left of Raynor at MPCC Dunes), but the more I see, the more I enjoy what they did and I do not accept the "unnatural, engineered" tag that some people apply to their work. But the simple fact is that even where the holes are noticeably built by man, Macdonald and Raynor built great golf holes and when they moved earth, they moved it in the line of play to build challenge and interest, not on the flanks to create a setting.


Like you, I don't have a vast array of McDonald/Raynor "plays"...but I've seen a few.  Do you really see/hear people alleging that they plunk down template holes unsympathetically to the land?  I haven't seen that or heard that.

I do think that some of their features are clearly man-made, but I don't feel it detracts from the quality of golf.  If people are 100% into totally natural, I can see where they'd turn their nose up at a few of McRaynor's features.  But their routing appears to be world-class as does the variety of abilities required to score well on their courses.

Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Mark_F

Fabulous work Scott.

You will have to try and nab a job at the Wall Street Journal so you can go around a few more times...

John Mayhugh

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Is there a better day out in golf?

Hard to imagine there being. 

Great tour Scott.  A really nice approach to sharing the course.  Glad you got to experience it.  Pretty good pictures given your weather, but looks like you finished in glorious fashion.  That photo from 18 tee is stunning, though the site gets most of the credit.

Colin Macqueen

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Scott,

Lovely tour of NGLA, thank you.  My better half, Tricia, asked me a couple of months ago, if I was given the one chance, where would my pick be to play in the good ol' U.S.A. and I nominated, in a heartbeat, NGLA.tricia knew nothing about it....she does now and your photos have done it's image no harm at all!

The fairways and greens look exceptionally vibrant and lush. Was it as startlingly green as this and, if so, did that impact on the type of game. Fast and firm on the fairway looks impossible burt what do I know!

Cheers Coloin
"Golf, thou art a gentle sprite, I owe thee much"
The Hielander

Tom Dunne

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Colin,

August and September both broke all historical records for precipitation in the northeast. We had Hurricane Irene, Tropical Storm Lee and even a random rain event in mid-August that dumped 8 inches in a single day. Forget golf courses, our basements aren't even playing firm and fast right now!

Scott Warren

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The course was somewhat lush, but despite that I thought the roll-out in the fairways was decent enough and I still managed to bounce and run a 7i down the Redan green, run a three hybrid over the back of the Road green having landed it 15 yards or so short of the front edge and got a decent kick down the Punchbowl to the front of the green, so there was still some run out there where it was designed to be a feature.

The greens were surely slower than usual, but I enjoyed the pace and most importantly, they rolled the speed they looked.

The day from go to whoa was brilliant, not least of all due to the company. At 5am that morning Mr Dunne was yet another "internet blind date" picking me up from my apartment and two day-long roadtrips later -- to National and Yale -- he was yet another GCAer who'd become a friend. There really is a fantastic community of people that makes GCA what it is and Bob Huntley's "freemasonry of golf" line continues to prove itself to be true.

Mac: I do hear that, and variations on that, such as claims they just built other people's holes, another suggestion that's completely untrue. To me, the templates are about replicating ideal strategies moreso than building the same hole. As an example, I wonder if you showed the Redans at National, Fishers and Yale to most players they'd say they were the "same hole", yet while extremely different and well-suited to their sites, they undoubtedly feature similar characteristics.

And that's before we even begin to consider the holes they improved upon.

I'm planning to visit the US again next September and I hope I'll be able to see more Macdonald and Raynor, and open my Banks account as well.

Matt Day

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Great photo's Scott

I don't know if this is the right way to word it, but how much does the big windmill add to the sense of granduer? Seems to dominate the skyline in some of those snaps

Scott Warren

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It does do that -- built on a high point and visible from most of the course.

Another thing is does is provides a frame of reference as you tack your way out to the far end of the property, both in terms of what direction you're moving and also how far you are travelling as it becomes smaller and then progressively larger as you come home.

Of course the holes would be just as great without it, but it's hard to imagine those views without the windmill in them.

Mark Chaplin

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As I was there a week before you Scott the blades were still off the windmill due to Irene.

The holes at National are built "in the style of" and no one would say they are exact copies, it is very similar to Chicago in that sense but also completely different due to the land.

Only the range is over par.

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Cave Nil Vino

Scott Warren

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Probably hard to think of two more different sites than Chicago Golf and NGLA, Mark. I don't suppose you have any pics of CG?

Without bold land, what is the major challenge at Chicago?

Mac Plumart

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Scott...

I am just re-reading this thread and looking at your wonderful pictures.  And I just had to say this...

I think it is great when people get things they've been after for so long and can truly appreciate them.  The National Golf Links of America is one of the truly iconic and important golf courses in the history of the world and I'd bet that the vast majority of people who get to play it take it for granted and/or don't understand its significance.  I believe you "get it" and appreciate it.  Congrats!!  I hope you get to play it many, many more times.  You deserve it.
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Scott Warren

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Thanks Mac, your comments are really kind and remind me of walking from the 18th green to the clubhouse at Deal the first time I played there, raving about how great it was to Mr Chaplin (despite finishing bogey, triple, double to turn a quality round into an 82!), and he made the comment that it was refreshing to hear that sort of enthusiastic praise because many members take a world class course for granted and end up whingeing about green speeds and bunker smoothness and whatnot, forgetting what a wonderful course they have at their disposal.

I hope I get to play National many, many more times as well, but if I don't, I'm just grateful I got to see it once.
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Mark Chaplin

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Scott no photos of Chicago Golf, the main challenge is brilliant greens with both pace and masses of slope. The fairways are much tighter than National but still generous, for better players there is a massive advantage in hitting the correct side of the fairway in order to attack the pins. Getting caught wrong sided is a recipe for disaster. Although I've only been there twice the course has been in imaculate condition, it only averages 6-8 fourballs a day.

Swinley played very nicely yesterday highlight a 3 wood 5 iron to 15' on 12 and driver 6 iron into 15 sadly missed both very makeable putts! The pro and I managed to beat the two secretaries by a healthy margain.
Cave Nil Vino

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