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RJ_Daley

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Antipodean golf, effects and conditions...
« on: January 10, 2002, 07:17:32 PM »
It looks like they have it all going for them at Paraparauma this week except a hot Tiger.  Wind, heat, firm, fast ,and dry, and the corolis effect seeming to swirl Tiger's puts the wrong way.  I see that the organizers have offered to reduce the daily pass fee by some 25% for the coming day.  I'm not sure if that is thinner crowds than they were expecting, or less other sales.  

I have enjoyed seeing the course and observing what is possible on the tv.  It looks like fairways are rather narrow, and rough lines mostly bounce in towards fairway for slightly off line shots.  Dry/rugged yet playable rough grasses.  Nice green contours and sparse but well placed bunkers. Also, the ball seems to be rolling true and not bumpy.  Many more shots from out of the rough with strong wind and many semi blind tee shots.  I think it is a good event to watch and suggests that length and numerous bunkering on a golf course isn't everything when it comes to dealing with the Tiger.  Tiger hasn't played the wind well lately...
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Scott_Burroughs

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Re: Antipodean golf, effects and conditions...
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2002, 08:20:57 PM »
Double the width of the fairways (if not more) and it would be much more appealing in my eyes.  A windy seaside course with bowling alley fairways?  Other than that, it looks great.
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RJ_Daley

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Re: Antipodean golf, effects and conditions...
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2002, 08:24:01 PM »
I wonder how it works when one plays the week before at the course with the widest fairways on the tour (Kapalua) in high wind, and then goes to a narrow presentation in yet higher winds!   :o
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Mike Clayton

Re: Antipodean golf, effects and conditions...
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2002, 09:00:41 PM »
RJ

Just walked off the course -- Scott is exacty right -double the fairway width would be close. The rough is decent to play from -some good lies,some bad but all the thick green stuff around the greens completely negates the slopes and stops the ball running where the slopes want to take it.

Sorry to disappoint but the greens are terrible -bumpy,all soft poa and it gives you little chance to bounce the ball back to the flags at the backs of the greens -as you can do on all well set up links.

Wonderful course though

Tiger needs to par the last to make the cut -easy par 5
We always said the competition was tougher down here than in America!!
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RJ_Daley

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Re: Antipodean golf, effects and conditions...
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2002, 09:43:28 PM »
;D

We must have reached another milestone here on GCA when a player like Mr. Clayton thinks to check in with this site after a pressure round.  Darn that 12th hole yesterday! >:(

Thankyou for the info, Michael.
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RJ_Daley

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Re: Antipodean golf, effects and conditions...
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2002, 09:57:33 PM »
          Tiger  day1 day2             Mike  day1  day2
FWs hit        50%  36%                       50%    64%
GIR              61%  78%                       67%    94%windy :o
putts            30     35                         31      38

You must be a heck of a wind player with that GIR ;D
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Mike Clayton

Re: Antipodean golf, effects and conditions...
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2002, 12:09:44 AM »
RJ

Always a correlation between a pro who has 38 putts and a pro who says the greens are bad
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Scott_Burroughs

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Re: Antipodean golf, effects and conditions...
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2002, 06:34:37 AM »
I DID see a Mike Clayton on the scoreboard rundown last night!  I knew you were going to be there from a previous post, but I didn't know you were playing in it!  

As far as I can remember, you're the first tour pro to post here.
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THuckaby2

Re: Antipodean golf, effects and conditions...
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2002, 08:52:29 AM »
"antipodean"??????

A little request from the less than 220 IQ peanut gallery:  can we dumb down the vocabulary a bit?

I shamefully admit I had to look that up.  Correct, but my God if that's not a "25 cent word" none exists.

A blame YOU for this, Mr. Goodale!  The Dick Daley I know would not use such words if not for your lead.  Two lashes from Fr. Ted for each of you.  ;)

BY the way, I agree it's damn cool we have a pro check in - thanks for doing so, Mike Clayton!

TH
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Doug Wright

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Re: Antipodean golf, effects and conditions...
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2002, 09:01:48 AM »
Mike Clayton,

Sorry you didn't make the cut mate, but I second the views of my colleagues above--You're the Man in GCALand!  ;D
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W.H. Cosgrove

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Re: Antipodean golf, effects and conditions...
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2002, 09:12:34 AM »
Had the opportunity to play paraparam at christmas 99.  Loved the golf course.  It is nice to see the big boys struggling with a course that is narrow and FAST.  Mike Clayton brings up the only drawback to the golf course as the poa has not helped the quality of the greens.

My guess is that they run on a miniscule maintenance budget.  Greens fees for accompanied guests was about $20US.  Unaccompanied was $30.  

Pro Allan Mckay has a very nice memorabilia collection in the pro shop.  
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RJ_Daley

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Re: Antipodean golf, effects and conditions...
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2002, 10:11:38 AM »
Huck, of course antipodean and corolis effect aren't in my vernacular.  Cripes, I was a cop not a linquist. But it is cool that NZ is only a few degrees off from its global opposite Scotland.  But, don't blame Rich.  He is only trying to elevate discourse.  The real culprit is Mike Duffy.  He taught me all that southern hemisphere lingo! ::)

AS for the modest green fees, if $30 non-guest is accurate, good on 'em mate! 8)  It is very hard to tell from TV, but they seem to be rolling smooth.  They seem to be a lot less bumpy than some of the poa we have seen in past west coast swings at Pebble and Torrey Pines.  But, at least they are the same greens for everyone...

I'm going to write the producers of the TV operation and demand that they get the camera's off of Tiger all the time and start showing us our real heros, Mike! ;D
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THuckaby2

Re: Antipodean golf, effects and conditions...
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2002, 10:20:37 AM »
Dick, one of the sad still-to-do's in my life is not only to GO to Australia, but to hang out with more Australians.  So no hassles re the 25-cent word, but I do have a question:  do they say WE are antipodal to THEM?

TH
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RJ_Daley

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Re: Antipodean golf, effects and conditions...
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2002, 10:36:22 AM »
Tom, not to be a nit-picker, but we are not.  GB&I are to them.  All you Californians and Kiwi's can say is that you share an ocean, a ring of fire, and great conditions to grow poa.
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THuckaby2

Re: Antipodean golf, effects and conditions...
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2002, 10:42:49 AM »
I can nit-pick with the best of them.

From my Websters:

antipode:  "persons dwelling on the opposite points of the globe..."

We are NOT that for them, and them for us?  Oh, I'm sure there's an exact opposite point and Wisconsin is not going to have the same such as California, but it's NOT fair to say they are on the opposite side of the world from the US, at least vaguely and generally?

Geographically Challenged TH
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Mike Duffy

Two nicer mid-antipodeans you will not find ..
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2002, 03:32:50 PM »
;DTwo nicer mid-antipodeans you will not find in  Messrs Huckaby and Daley.

The vernacular of Down Under differs in some respects quite markedly to that used in America.

A term of jocular affectation in Australia and NZ is "How are ya, you old bastard?" something, which I believe, would cause at the very least, resentment if said to an American who did not understand the nuance of the salutation.

In regard to poa annua on the greens at Paraparaumu Beach, it is my opinion that NZ is one of the greatest cultivators of poa in the world.

Around seventy per cent of the country is given over to  pastoral endeavours, and many of the farms and cattle stations abound with poa.

In fact, on my many trips to NZ over the years, I have only found one course that did not abound with poa - Gulf Harbour, a newish facitily built by RTJ Jnr, with possibly the best greens I have putted on anywhere in the world, including Royal Melbourne.

For the rest, one has to get used to the poa. As Mike Clayton said, after a few days use, they get bumpy and poa greens are nearly always soft.

I still wouldn't count Tiger out of the reckoning at this stage, it would be dangerous to do so. My attention has been on the 13-year-old Jae An, who has now qualified for the final two days, thereby becoming not only the youngest qualifier for a professionally-sanctioned tournament, but also the youngest to make the cut in such a tournament. And he is only half of Tiger's Age!!!!

One of his (Jae An's) playing partners yesterday was the Victorian professional David Hill, who said he was astounded that he was three times the age of his playing partner.

Finally, may I direct the collective attention to an article in this morning's "The Age', one of Melbourne's two morning dailies.


Under the heading, "In awe  of the Tiger out in the Open", Mike Clayton's caddy, John Carroll, has submitted a highly-readable article on his experiences of caddying at Paraparaumu Beach over the past two days, and in so doing, making an observation of the Tiger circus.

John Carroll is not your everage caddy, as besides toting the bag for Michael, he is a reader in sociology at Melbourne's La Trobe University.

It is quite compelling reading.

The links are: www.theage.com.au.

Then go the "news" section (NOT the sports section) and look for the heading: "In awe of a Tiger out in the Open".

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Chris Kane

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Re: Antipodean golf, effects and conditions...
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2002, 05:12:42 PM »
Here's a direct link to the article In awe of a Tiger out in the Open.

May I second what Mike Duffy said: a great article and an interesting commentary on what the presence of one man has done to a small tour event.

Mike Clayton: have you experienced any of the treatment which some players have complained about, such as being forced to park outside, while Tiger is treated like royalty?

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Mike Clayton

Re: Antipodean golf, effects and conditions...
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2002, 05:34:57 PM »
Chris

Read the Sunday Age tomorrow -easier than going into it all here and sounding like a whinging golf pro.
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Chris Kane

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Re: Antipodean golf, effects and conditions...
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2002, 06:45:23 PM »
Ok Mike...I'll have to wait until tomorrow morning for the fireworks!
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