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George Pazin

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Re: Appropriate Club Punishment for Injuring Caddie
« Reply #75 on: September 22, 2011, 02:01:18 PM »
He has two sizable scars on his forehead, right between his eyes.  He will see a neurologist to rule out any head injury in the next week or so.  He's been having headaches, so my sister is worried, but nothing official.

Sorry to hear about this, I hope he recovers well. There is a sports concussion institute in Pittsburgh at the Univ of Pittsburgh, might be worth a call.

My wife's sister's husband's sister was hit by a swung golf club while in high school gym class. It shattered her cheek and skull around her left eye, causing permanent damage to her eye, as well as permanent cosmetic damage. She is still a beautiful young woman, just had a little girl a few months ago, in fact. The weird thing is that, in the course of her many surgeries for her eye, they ended up finding a tumor in her brain, located near the eye orbital. The doctor said they probably wouldn't have ever discovered it till it was too late were it not for the many examinations related to her injury. Silver linings, I guess.
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John_Cullum

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Re: Appropriate Club Punishment for Injuring Caddie
« Reply #76 on: September 22, 2011, 02:02:24 PM »
"Treat your caddy as you would your son (or daughter)"

Perhaps he was, which to me has always been the inherent flaw in that slogan.
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Jud_T

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Re: Appropriate Club Punishment for Injuring Caddie
« Reply #77 on: September 22, 2011, 02:07:51 PM »
All I know is this guy better be handing out tips so big that they become legendary around the caddyshack...
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Terry Lavin

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Re: Appropriate Club Punishment for Injuring Caddie
« Reply #78 on: September 22, 2011, 02:09:26 PM »
All I know is this guy better be handing out tips so big that they become legendary around the caddyshack...

He never was a cheapskate, just the possessor of a legendarily short fuse on the golf course.
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Jud_T

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Re: Appropriate Club Punishment for Injuring Caddie
« Reply #79 on: September 22, 2011, 02:11:23 PM »
Sounds like someone we want to play for a dollar a yard....When he loses, he buys the kid a car....
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Sam Morrow

Re: Appropriate Club Punishment for Injuring Caddie
« Reply #80 on: September 22, 2011, 02:17:46 PM »
I am glad that Terry's nephew is okay. I hope that karma comes around for that dick.

Martin Toal

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Re: Appropriate Club Punishment for Injuring Caddie
« Reply #81 on: September 22, 2011, 02:20:29 PM »
The member concerned should be thoroughly ashamed of himself and was very lucky to get away with a suspension. He is obviously a complete arse, as we say in the UK (word from the milder end of the spectrum chosen to spare US sensibilities).

I don't know much about US law (and clearly few know as much as Terry) but even in the UK I would have thought Terry's nephew had a pretty good case for a large law suit. As a doctor, I think it is probably rather unlikely he has any lasting neurological damage if nothing has been apparent thus far, although headaches are a common short term feature of such an injury. Hopefully the cuts will not scar too badly and maybe some arse-funded plastic surgery might take care of it. In some ways he is lucky he didn't lose an eye.

PCCraig

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Re: Appropriate Club Punishment for Injuring Caddie
« Reply #82 on: September 22, 2011, 02:32:01 PM »
He has two sizable scars on his forehead, right between his eyes.  He will see a neurologist to rule out any head injury in the next week or so.  He's been having headaches, so my sister is worried, but nothing official.

Not pretty...but if there is anything to be thankful for at least the club didn't hit an eye. If the scars are as big as I'm thinking, that club must of been moving fast...which makes the "it slipped" theory even harder to imagine.
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Sam Morrow

Re: Appropriate Club Punishment for Injuring Caddie
« Reply #83 on: September 22, 2011, 02:33:00 PM »
I hope the club requires him to get all his clubs regripped.

Tim Gavrich

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Re: Appropriate Club Punishment for Injuring Caddie
« Reply #84 on: September 22, 2011, 02:52:40 PM »
So what will the scene be like when this guy calls the club for the first time in 2013 and says he plans on playing and would like a caddy?

Why on earth didn't the membership expel the guy?  What would've happened if the member had hit another member--say, the head of one of the committees--with the club?
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Dan Kelly

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Re: Appropriate Club Punishment for Injuring Caddie
« Reply #85 on: September 22, 2011, 04:04:23 PM »
Anything less than expulsion (or resignation, if that's the way he wants it) strikes me (no pun intended) as yet another sad sign of the times.

During his suspension: Make him caddy for some junior members.

I really hope your nephew has no lasting damage. What a sickening story.
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jonathan_becker

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Re: Appropriate Club Punishment for Injuring Caddie
« Reply #86 on: September 22, 2011, 04:09:59 PM »
the member involved refused to admit that he had thrown the club in anger

This is disgusting.  

I've been reading this thread and it's starting to raise my blood pressure.  As far as I'm concerned, the guy got off easy with a suspension.  

I normally don't promote physical violence unless it's in self-defense, but this guy needs his ass kicked.  I'm serious, he needs the piss beat out him.  Sometimes that's the only way people learn.

Best of luck to your nephew, Judge.


David Kelly

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Re: Appropriate Club Punishment for Injuring Caddie
« Reply #87 on: September 22, 2011, 04:49:28 PM »
Does the suspended member have to pay his dues for 2012?  Maybe he will decide to just leave the club after he has a chance to think about the whole thing.
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JMEvensky

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Re: Appropriate Club Punishment for Injuring Caddie
« Reply #88 on: September 22, 2011, 04:58:20 PM »

Does the suspended member have to pay his dues for 2012?  Maybe he will decide to just leave the club after he has a chance to think about the whole thing.


This was my thought also--that a 15 month suspension is tantamount to expulsion.The member must certainly be aware that his excuse of the club slipping isn't believed and that his reputation was well known throughout the membership.

Who could possibly want to show his face there again?

Terry,I hope your nephew comes through OK.And I hope the member,some how,does the right thing by him.

Terry Lavin

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Re: Appropriate Club Punishment for Injuring Caddie
« Reply #89 on: September 22, 2011, 05:04:12 PM »
In my mind, what's done is done in terms of the Board's decision.  I would have liked a different result, but you have to respect the right of such a committee to do what they are elected to do.  I won't whine about it.  As for the guy himself, now that he's gotten officially contrite, I truly do wish him well.  He did a bad thing and it understates things considerably to say he feels badly.
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Tim Martin

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Re: Appropriate Club Punishment for Injuring Caddie
« Reply #90 on: September 22, 2011, 05:09:29 PM »
 As for the guy himself, now that he's gotten officially contrite, I truly do wish him well.  He did a bad thing and it understates things considerably to say he feels badly.

Terry-Although it can`t change what has happened to hear of his contrition is uplifting and must make it somewhat easier on all involved.

Dave Falkner

Re: Appropriate Club Punishment for Injuring Caddie
« Reply #91 on: September 23, 2011, 09:53:25 AM »
Terry

As we all know chicks dig scars, however,   a few scars on the face and a head injury are worth a couple of years tutiion (including books, board and some pocket cash) at a top flight eastern university

and even though this man may be contrite i would submit it is in your nephews best interest to have a dollar value placed on that contrition even if such number comes about as a result of litigation

just my opinion.

It really irks me when guys act like this  I mean, really, is a pushed drive or chili dipped wedge  that F-ing important!  Get over yourself  it si after all a game

Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Appropriate Club Punishment for Injuring Caddie
« Reply #92 on: September 23, 2011, 10:34:30 AM »
The member committed a reckless assault, lied, enlisted his buddies in the lie, now he's sorry, and the club only suspended him for awhile.

I'd say he's gotten off easy, so far. 
"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

Dave Falkner

Re: Appropriate Club Punishment for Injuring Caddie
« Reply #93 on: September 23, 2011, 10:48:04 AM »
Jim

dont forget endangering the welfare of a child, and reckless endangerment  ( at least here in NY)  and in NY it is probably an felony assault since it was with a dangerous instrument- which is punishable with up to 7 years in prison

Ron Csigo

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Re: Appropriate Club Punishment for Injuring Caddie
« Reply #94 on: September 23, 2011, 10:54:13 AM »

It really irks me when guys act like this  I mean, really, is a pushed drive or chili dipped wedge  that F-ing important!  Get over yourself  it si after all a game

I agree with you.  If this member was any good at golf, we'd be watching him on TV every weekend.  But he's not.  Instead, accept the fact that you're just a weekend warrior like the rest of us, enjoy the privilege of playing this great game of golf and relish the opportunity of spending a beautiful day out on the links with friends.  After all, that's what it's all about.

Terry - I truly hope that your nephew is OK.  It's a terrible thing what happened to him.  Is your nephew an avid golfer?  I hope this incident does not deter him from playing golf in the future.  

As for the arse of a member responsable for injuring your nephew, I like Mr. Becker's suggestion.  
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Lou_Duran

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Re: Appropriate Club Punishment for Injuring Caddie
« Reply #95 on: September 23, 2011, 10:59:52 AM »
Wow!  And here I thought that golf was a gentleman's game, particularly at high-end private clubs which nurture caddie programs.  I hope that the young man comes through this well.  I suspect that the offending member, once all the legal dust settles, will hold the Guinness World's Record in perpetuity for the highest caddie fee.

I do have to ask, was intent an issue here?  How many among us have not seen clubs flying through the air and other serious reckless behavior on the course?  I am curious, was the matter referred to the authorities for investigation?

Decades ago, an acquaintance known for his reckless driving in his muscle car got T-boned when ran a stop sign.  His little brother was riding shotgun and died at the scene.  I remember the funeral, seeing the very contrite driver, and hearing the priest trying to find a sliver of good in this horrific event (the usual "he is in a better place" and "let it serve as a constant reminder when we get behind the wheel").  Some time afterwards, I am driving out in the country when I hear the loud mufflers explode as a four-barrell carb is pushed wide open and a car passes me like I am sitting still.  You got it.  Same driver.  Lesson apparently unlearned.  I hope the member and all others there and here do take this sad episode to heart.      

henrye

Re: Appropriate Club Punishment for Injuring Caddie
« Reply #96 on: September 23, 2011, 11:00:20 AM »
It would seem to me that if the member took care of the situation as he should then all would be rectified.  If not, why would a club want him as a member?  Seems pretty simple to me.

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Terry Lavin

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Re: Appropriate Club Punishment for Injuring Caddie
« Reply #97 on: September 23, 2011, 11:09:52 AM »
Wow!  And here I thought that golf was a gentleman's game, particularly at high-end private clubs which nurture caddie programs.  I hope that the young man comes through this well.  I suspect that the offending member, once all the legal dust settles, will hold the Guinness World's Record in perpetuity for the highest caddie fee.

I do have to ask, was intent an issue here?  How many among us have not seen clubs flying through the air and other serious reckless behavior on the course?  I am curious, was the matter referred to the authorities for investigation?

Decades ago, an acquaintance known for his reckless driving in his muscle car got T-boned when ran a stop sign.  His little brother was riding shotgun and died at the scene.  I remember the funeral, seeing the very contrite driver, and hearing the priest trying to find a sliver of good in this horrific event (the usual "he is in a better place" and "let it serve as a constant reminder when we get behind the wheel").  Some time afterwards, I am driving out in the country when I hear the loud mufflers explode as a four-barrell carb is pushed wide open and a car passes me like I am sitting still.  You got it.  Same driver.  Lesson apparently unlearned.  I hope the member and all others there and here do take this sad episode to heart.      

This is easily the most disheartening episode in my 25 years of being a member at this club.  It has soured me to the point that I've drafted my resignation letter.  You wouldn't believe the kind of crap my fellow members and former friends were saying about me and my nephew.  Just disgusting.  As for the club thrower, I sure hope I never hear that he throws another club.  I'd like to think his contrition would be real and that he'd reform himself, or just quit the game.  A leopard, after all, isn't all that likely to change its spots.
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Dan Kelly

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Re: Appropriate Club Punishment for Injuring Caddie
« Reply #98 on: September 23, 2011, 11:32:06 AM »
Decades ago, an acquaintance known for his reckless driving in his muscle car got T-boned when ran a stop sign.  His little brother was riding shotgun and died at the scene.  I remember the funeral, seeing the very contrite driver, and hearing the priest trying to find a sliver of good in this horrific event (the usual "he is in a better place" and "let it serve as a constant reminder when we get behind the wheel").  Some time afterwards, I am driving out in the country when I hear the loud mufflers explode as a four-barrell carb is pushed wide open and a car passes me like I am sitting still.  You got it.  Same driver.  Lesson apparently unlearned.  I hope the member and all others there and here do take this sad episode to heart.      

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Mark Johnson

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Re: Appropriate Club Punishment for Injuring Caddie
« Reply #99 on: September 23, 2011, 11:34:36 AM »
The Board suspended the member until January 2013.  I asked for expulsion, but there weren't enough votes for that penalty.  It's been an upsetting month, mostly because the member involved refused to admit that he had thrown the club in anger, leading a group of his pals to vigorously support him with the "it slipped" defense that has now been withdrawn.  This issue has caused a lot of pain and consternation, much of which could have been avoided had the individual "manned up" from the get go.

can i ask what club this is?

Do you think the member will stay or just resign and join another club?

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