[Jim Johnson]

Curious if you've had the opportunity to play a course which features a bunker within a green , on a par-3 hole or otherwise, and if so, what your thoughts are on it. Riviera has obviously made this type of hole quite famous but I'm sure there are others around the world which share this feature.

Below is the 147 yard par-3 17th hole at Bayside in Nebraska. My wife and I golfed there last July and really enjoyed the course, although there is certainly a huge difference between the two nines, the front being reminiscent of Wild Horse (which we'd golfed at the day before), the back nine rollercoastering through the landscape.

From the tee...


Approaching the green...


The pin position that day was on the lower left side. My tee shot barely cleared the bunker, landed on the slope beyond the bunker, and then we watched as it rolled down the slope and over the cup, finishing some 10 feet away. Having not finished up on the top right, I honestly don't know what I would have done on my putt/chip. If memory serves me correctly (not often) I think the green is sloped both front and back enough to accommodate a putt around the bunker to the other side.

Jim

[Patrick_Mucci]

For years, # 13 at NGLA had a bunker in the green's footpad.

It's since been removed

With a medium to short length par 3 I think it's a neat feature

[Sam Morrow]

Obviously 6 at Rivera is the most famous one but the tour also plays one at TPC San Antonio, I think it's a neat feature to give the player lots of different options.

Of course you also have some greens with fingers that have a bunker blocking your putt and you must chip on the green. Someone on this site (coughBillMcBridecough) dared me to chip from on the green at Champions. I'm afraid of Bernhardt so I didn't do it.

[Chip Gaskins]

Pat-

Really, the 13th had a bunker in the footpad?  Any pics?

Also, Dismal River, #10 I think, has/had a huge bunker in the middle of the green.

[Kevin Pallier]

Jim

Here was a thread on "donut greens"

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,43149.0.html

There's more than you think - BTW I loved Riviera's

[Mike Hogan]

#10 at Dismal River has a bunker in the middle.
Wild green with big contours, bunker seperates green into 3 or 4 smaller targets.

[Jeff Evagues]

Number 12 at Hualalai has a bunker in the center of the green.

[Rick Shefchik]

My question for those who have played Dismal River: Are players discouraged from playing wedges on #10 green to get to hole locations on the other side of the bunker?

[Chris Johnston]

My question for those who have played Dismal River: Are players discouraged from playing wedges on #10 green to get to hole locations on the other side of the bunker?

Rick - Nope.  We don't discourage anything.

If you are on the wrong green (there are actually 3 distinct areas), you would probably do better putting but the wedge isn't a very good option.

#10 is one the most popular holes for Members.  140-160 yards every day from the Member tees  At that length, the green is both fun, and fair.

[John Kavanaugh]

My question for those who have played Dismal River: Are players discouraged from playing wedges on #10 green to get to hole locations on the other side of the bunker?

This past week my opponent was on the front left quadrant to a back pin and I was on the front right.  He two putted for par and I just missed.  The first day we played the pin was up front for both rounds and I made birdie each time, the second day with the pin in back I went 4, 5.  Personally I see no advantage to hit wedge given the putting options.  A touring pro may see different.

[Tom_Doak]

I don't know if I would ever build a bunker inside a green.  We talked about it on one of the greens at The Sheep Ranch -- I think it would have to be a project like that for me to think about it seriously.

I'm quite fond of some holes with bunkers intruding into greens, but generally only if there is a way to use the slopes to putt around the bunker, a la the 7th at Ballyneal or its genesis, the 7th at Crystal Downs.  At the Downs, in maybe 150 rounds over 20 years, I have twice been playing a match with someone where there was just no way to get a putt closer than 15 feet around the bunker, and decided to chip over the edge of the bunker.  Both times, I made par, and my opponent(s) pretty much folded from there.  But I'd be afraid I would take a chunk out of the green if I tried it now.

[Aidan Bradley]

Dismal #10

From the Tee Box, front pin position.



From Behind, back pin position.

[Aidan Bradley]

The Ranch at Silver Creek #15

[Anthony Gray]

  As a member of the give me something school I like it. Very memorable but not over the top.

  Anthony

[Garland Bayley]

Vernon Macan is on the record opposing bunkers in greens. His reasoning, it inhibits the use of run up shots.

[Anthony Gray]

Vernon Macan is on the record opposing bunkers in greens. His reasoning, it inhibits the use of run up shots.

  On a short par 3?

  Anthony

[Mac Plumart]

Anthony...

As the charter member of the "Give me Something" School of Architecture, you NEED to get to Dismal.  Lots of unique stuff.  I also hope you've played North Berwick. 

I'm sure you have given that you've played TOC 1,000 times, Pebble a million, Cape Kidnappers, and the like.  A prolific poster and prolific golfer.  I hope your neck is 100% on you are back on the links.

[Anthony Gray]

Anthony...

As the charter member of the "Give me Something" School of Architecture, you NEED to get to Dismal.  Lots of unique stuff.  I also hope you've played North Berwick. 

I'm sure you have given that you've played TOC 1,000 times, Pebble a million, Cape Kidnappers, and the like.  A prolific poster and prolific golfer.  I hope your neck is 100% on you are back on the links.

  Thanks Mac. I loved North Berwick except the hole I played a runner to that had a blind burn infront of the green. Can't wait for Dismal and time with the guys.

  Anthony

[Greg Tallman]

Anthony...

As the charter member of the "Give me Something" School of Architecture, you NEED to get to Dismal.  Lots of unique stuff.  I also hope you've played North Berwick. 

I'm sure you have given that you've played TOC 1,000 times, Pebble a million, Cape Kidnappers, and the like.  A prolific poster and prolific golfer.  I hope your neck is 100% on you are back on the links.

  Thanks Mac. I loved North Berwick except the hole I played a runner to that had a blind burn infront of the green. Can't wait for Dismal and time with the guys.

  Anthony

LOL - I can picture the reaction! "Greg, what is taht? That's not fair is it? I mean I hit a great shot and it, it, it's in the crick... Doak wouldn't do something like that would he?"

Only wish I could have been there.

[Garland Bayley]

  Thanks Mac. I loved North Berwick except the hole I played a runner to that had a blind burn infront of the green. Can't wait for Dismal and time with the guys.

  Anthony

Where was your caddy? Not earning his tip obviously.

[Colin Macqueen]

Anthony,
Beware of the wee tidal creek, blind and deadly, lying in treacherous wait just beyond the first green at Balcomie, Crail.  Due to this dastardly piece of diabolical architecture Plumart won the hole against me even though he ricocheted his second off the nearby boathouse!

Cheers Colin

[Alex Lagowitz]

Does the third hole at TOC count?

[Mac Plumart]

Anthony,
Beware of the wee tidal creek, blind and deadly, lying in treacherous wait just beyond the first green at Balcomie, Crail.  Due to this dastardly piece of diabolical architecture Plumart won the hole against me even though he ricocheted his second off the nearby boathouse!

Cheers Colin

Crail is awesome Colin.  No greens inside bunkers...but the boathouse options make up for that!!   

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