[Anthony Gray]

  Which ones would participate?

  Anthony

[Carl Johnson]

  Which ones would participate?

  Anthony

Pardon the stupid question. What does ODG stand for?

I think it stands for "old dead guys," or something like that (that is, the so-called golden age architects, Ross, Macdonald, Raynor, etc., those of approximately the first 30 to 40 years or so of the twentieth century).  I cannot recall if someone told me that, or I just assumed it from the context.  As I am sure you've noticed, a lot of abbreviations are used on this website, in part for brevity and in part to separate those "in the know" from those not.  I think it would be interesting to learn how ODG originated.  For example, why not DOGs (dead old guys)?  Or DOAs (dead old architects)?

[Phil McDade]

William Langford might; he was a pretty prolific writer, and often wrote about shot values, hole designs, and strategies in building and routing holes.

[Mike Cirba]

At this point, I'm pretty certain they'd simply say...

Leave us ALONE!!

[Craig Van Egmond]

I think it would go something like this...

"How old are you people? What have you done with yourselves?

You, you must be almost 30... have you ever kissed a girl?

I didn't think so! There's a whole world out there! When I was your age, I didn't read chat rooms! I LIVED! So... move out of your parent's basements! And get your own apartments and GROW THE HELL UP! I mean, it's just a website, IT'S JUST A FREAKING WEBSITE!"

[Bill Seitz]

I think it would go something like this...

"How old are you people? What have you done with yourselves?

You, you must be almost 30... have you ever kissed a girl?

I didn't think so! There's a whole world out there! When I was your age, I didn't read chat rooms! I LIVED! So... move out of your parent's basements! And get your own apartments and GROW THE HELL UP! I mean, it's just a website, IT'S JUST A FREAKING WEBSITE!"

I'm not sure if it's sadder that I think that's somewhat true, or that I know, without looking it up, exactly where that quote came from.  
http://snltranscripts.jt.org/86/86hgetalife.phtml

[Tim Martin]

I won`t speculate about all of them but I am sure that C.B. McDonald would tell us all he could care less what we think and to find something more constructive to do with our time. He was not known to pull punches or to tread lightly. His counterpart Mr. Raynor was certainly less brash and may have been open to a bit of constructive counseling especially if there was some engineering and or construction advice that could help him going forward.

[Philippe Binette]

ODG on GCA.com:

"What are those guys talking about... angles, slopes, contours, strategy. To me it's dirt, sweat and whisky...
Waiter, another round please"

[Terry Lavin]

"You folks confuse me for somebody who gives a $^*t!"

[Anthony Gray]

"You folks confuse me for somebody who gives a $^*t!"

  Mike Young's not dead yet.

  Anthony

[Howard Riefs]

"Thank you for defending my design acumen after that insipid Rees Jones remodel job."

[Jud_T]

"Buy me another round and I'll tell you what I was really thinking there"...

[Anthony Gray]

  "Ran, please deleete my profile"

[Terry Lavin]

"You guys should...what's that expression...get a life."

[Mike_Young]

"We were just a bunch of little rich guys messing in the dirt and these guys have actually taken chaos and created theories about what we were doing.  I'm confused.  I honestly did not know I had created some of these strategies I now have on my courses....damn"

[Eric Smith]

"Why does everyone here have a bog?...they are utterly useless with regards to golf courses and their architecture and should be avoided at all costs!"

[Anthony Gray]

  "Have you seen the latest top 5 list"

   

[Bill Brightly]

I won`t speculate about all of them but I am sure that C.B. McDonald would tell us all he could care less what we think and to find something more constructive to do with our time. He was not known to pull punches or to tread lightly. His counterpart Mr. Raynor was certainly less brash and may have been open to a bit of constructive counseling especially if there was some engineering and or construction advice that could help him going forward.

Raynor would be ouuta here after a few months of criticism for his "engineered look" and "cookie cutter" style.

[Mark Chaplin]

"I cannot remember if it was daylight saving or the train was going fast or slow past Pine Valley"

"who cares which boat I got to the USA"

"total irrelevance which backyard/field we used in Ardmore"

[Jim_Kennedy]

Carl,
The term "Dead Guys" preceded "ODG". I think Rich (Rihc) Goodale first used "Old Dead Guys" back in 2002 in a thread titled "Unplugged Design".

Anthony,
Probably the same ones who wrote articles (and took some jabs at each other) way back when.   

[Anthony Gray]

  "Ross is having all the raters over to his new place"

[Melvyn Morrow]

The Spirits of St Andrews through a great little 25 year old Single Malt have asked me to reply to Anthony’s question

You still have much to learn and fully understand, had hoped to see Golf at the centre stage by now but its been hijacked by something called cart/buggy. Bugger me, what has that to do with Golf.

How can you have Golf Club Atlas or even seriously discuss golf courses design while in the same breath talking about Non Walking Golf Courses.

Looks like Hell has frozen over and the Devil Rules, expect the R&A did their usual disappearing act up their own rectum (or anyone else’s in the vicinity), they need a new party piece. 

Turning in our graves is fine but those who have had their ashes scattered are a little bit more upset as can’t come together to form a sentence or make their opinions known.

ODG

[Sven Nilsen]

ODG - "What key do I push to tell that guy to shut up?"

[Melvyn Morrow]

Sven

Follow the R&A example - it will put you in touch with your inner self

Melvyn

[Sven Nilsen]

Sven

Follow the R&A example - it will put you in touch with your inner self

Melvyn

Paraphrasing the song - you probably thought that post was about you.

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