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Mark Chaplin

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Re: Open final qualifying change
« Reply #25 on: September 04, 2011, 02:25:07 PM »
Melvyn thank you for a well thought out reply.

When I meant money I was talking about an "independent" body taking over as most of the R&A's income comes from the Open. They would have to raise money through some kind of levy.

The beauty of the current position in golf will not be lost on other sports, how many world governing bodies does boxing have, darts has two world championshis a week apart and most people in cricket would prefer to go back to the MCC rather than the current political set up.

One area where the R&A must be congratulated is their lead and investment in agronomy leading to sustainability in golf course management. Would this have happened if all the interested parties were at the table? The chemical makers, irrigation suppliers, etc may not be so open to change.

Was there another choice for the 250th anniversary? A senior Royal who is also a golfer. Scotland would be a poorer economy without golf and the Royal lead was an asset. If Andrew wanted the job the R&A couldn't really turn him down or we could have ended up with the Ancient Golf Club of St Andrews!
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Tony_Muldoon

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Re: Open final qualifying change
« Reply #26 on: September 04, 2011, 04:42:40 PM »

Was there another choice for the 250th anniversary? A senior Royal who is also a golfer. Scotland would be a poorer economy without golf and the Royal lead was an asset. If Andrew wanted the job the R&A couldn't really turn him down or we could have ended up with the Ancient Golf Club of St Andrews!

Mark as you are a serving member of the forces, I applaud your support of the status quo.  Howeverone needs to acknowledge that outside of golf clubs and the boradrooms of arms exporters,  many people see Andrew as the living embodiment of an argument for a Republic.  As your roomate at BUDA  ;D, I will tell you about another organisation I'm involved with. They are so desperate for Royal patronage that the evident bending over backwards to accommodate one, just goes to prove how spineless people are when dealing with Royals. End of rant.

Thanks for the proposals Melvyn. To your knowledge have they ever been discussed by the R&A?
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Melvyn Morrow

Re: Open final qualifying change
« Reply #27 on: September 04, 2011, 05:52:41 PM »

Mark

First of all I do not consider The Open to be the property of The R&A, if we are going to go down that line then clearly its Prestwick that I favour. Having said that if the R&A where to lose their authority over golf (which I hope in the end it does not), then any right appertaining to revenue should also be removed.

The real problem arises if we need to replace The R&A, it leaves a vacuum in GB, first no national authority and the need to replace it with an international body – Hell will ensue but it is achievable albeit at a cost to Scottish and GB Golf. 

We do have a choice and the R&A must understand the turmoil that will pursue if it does not take control and govern while listening to the concerns of all the important bodies that make up golf. Information is the key to good management, and where best to get that info if not from those who are involved with the Game of Golf. I still believe in my last in depth reply (#24)to you with at least one conference a year plus regular updates from all the organisations within the game is the best option. But we should not be scared to face refusal or non-cooperation; however we should make it clear that the final resort could be the full stripping of power, which would hurt all. 

The R&A are far from a lost cause but they need to start to hear what the golfers are saying. Yes I agree that there are many talented people working hard on behalf of the game at the R&A.

AS for the Royal connection, I am a Royalist and am very keen on the association after all we live in a kingdom, but that does not mean we should accept Andrew. He conveys the wrong message and demeanour, he is and was not right for the job, being happy in using public funds to travel to St Andrews to undertake his duties at The R&A, but the club where still intent in having him as Captain. The Royal would remain if he had not been elected as it goes deeper that Andrew, way deeper, so have no fear on that. The Members misjudge the golfing public’s mood by asking Andrew IMHO.

Tony

I cannot say, but would find it difficult to believe that they had as they have always been The R&A. But yes there are indeed disagreements within the organisation sometimes a few have decided that they have to resign that go along with the latest ideas. Most of the turmoil seem to have surfaced in the last 30 years but of course it also existed over the years but to my understand is that from the late 1970’/80’s as money amassed in great quantity the real problems started coming to a head.

The real problem is that they (the R&A) have brought all this down upon their own heads.

Melvyn
 

Mark Chaplin

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Re: Open final qualifying change
« Reply #28 on: September 05, 2011, 01:42:36 AM »
It was actually 80 years after the clubs formation that it's name changed in 1834 to the Royal & Ancient after William IV gave Royal patronage.

Needless to say it doesn't suit the press to report that the R&A paid for Prince Andrew's travel to St Andrews on official business. Tony it was another Tony that asked him to travel the world meeting often less than savoury people in order to further our ambitions in the oil and arms trade. Sadly these businesses rarely take place in the nicer parts of the world.

The Daily Mail made a big thing of him using a helicopter to fly to Deal for a function. Scotland Yard listed the costs of road travel including escorts from three different counties, suddenly it makes sense but doesn't sell papers!
Cave Nil Vino

Melvyn Morrow

Re: Open final qualifying change
« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2011, 06:29:59 AM »

Andrew has little to do with anything, in my book, but the R&A does. What rights has anyone who is a Member of a GB Club to question the R&A, who do the R&A answer too. Who elected them first to the position of power and how do they get, let alone maintain their authority.

I feel that they should be more accessible, open their eyes and ears and look at the cost to our existing courses, or have they decided that only money talks moving away form the core business of The R&A governing our Game.

Decisions are now being make that cost the Game dearly, suffers our courses to undergo modifications at the whim of a few, who do not then foot the bill, Chris they do not listen unless we are a CEO or some sort of VIP. The VIP are in fact all those who pay for the R&A little ideas through club and Green Fees, these are the real VIP but there is no outlet for them to voice an opinion yet it is apparently all done on their behalf. Ballock it’s all done for The R&A, not the golfers at large. For any organization to survive it needs fresh blood & ideas to develop. Its needs to listen to golfing bodies and these golfing bodies need to look to the golfers that keep this multi-billion dollar industry afloat.

Even our Royal Family marry outside of the aristocracy.

Melvyn

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