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Tom MacWood

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What would Ross say?
« on: August 28, 2011, 12:07:27 AM »
...when he learned the professionals shot -19 at Plainfield? That is not an easy golf course.
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Sam Morrow

Re: What would Ross say?
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2011, 12:17:17 AM »
It was not the course Ross built for this week. You let pros get their hands on the ball it could be 8,000 yards with crazy greens, they will still shoot scores. This tournament had nothing to do with the course being a pushover.
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Jeff_Brauer

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Re: What would Ross say?
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2011, 12:20:54 AM »
Don't know. Was Ross prone to swearing in a Scottish Brogue?

More seriously, as a pro golfer, I would bet that he would be okay with good winning scores, well played.  He might look at the average score.  If Rory ran away with it at Congressional, or Tiger at PB a decade ago, does that make them bad courses?
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mike_beene

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Re: What would Ross say?
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2011, 12:25:06 AM »
he would not be surprised.He saw as much improvement in golfers and distance in his lifetime as we have seen since.I imagine those building courses today expect unheard of scores in the future.So real par becomes 64.Tennis slowed down the ball and golf has put some limits,but the four minute mile is the lesson here.
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Steve Kline

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Re: What would Ross say?
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2011, 06:06:10 AM »
He saw a lot of distance gains and he dramatically lengthened and toughened #2. You could argue he did exactly what everyone is doing today to keep his most championship course relevant for the best players.
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Patrick_Mucci

Re: What would Ross say?
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2011, 05:50:30 PM »
Tom,

I think he'd say:

How did you let the ball and equipment get out of control ?

I saw guys in deep rough hit shots just feet from the hole that you and I would have taken a sand wedge out and played back to the fairway.

They are so good that you just can't defend against them without extreme or goofy conditions.
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Tim Gavrich

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Re: What would Ross say?
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2011, 05:58:41 PM »
I think he'd say, "Well, it rained 10 inches the week before the tournament and the greens were so soft that no matter how good the contours were, the pros could take aim at practically every flag.  Hopefully the greens will be firm next time."
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Terry Lavin

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Re: What would Ross say?
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2011, 06:47:36 PM »
He'd say that he'd do a better redo than that kid Prichard.
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Patrick_Mucci

Re: What would Ross say?
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2011, 07:16:44 PM »
Quote from: Terry Lavin on August 28, 2011, 06:47:36 PM
He'd say that he'd do a better redo than that kid Prichard.

Terry,

I think Gil Hanse did the work ;D
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mike_beene

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Re: What would Ross say?
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2011, 07:50:06 PM »
he might also say " what game is that?They keep picking their balls up cleaning them and lining the label up in the middle of the fairway "


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Peter Pallotta

Re: What would Ross say?
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2011, 09:15:48 PM »
"I'll come by next spring and lengthen it if you'd like".
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David Cronheim

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Re: What would Ross say?
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2011, 09:35:52 PM »
They played the course easy...I mean c'mon they made 18 driveable.
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Ken Moum

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Re: What would Ross say?
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2011, 10:02:31 PM »
Quote from: Steve Kline on August 28, 2011, 06:06:10 AM
He saw a lot of distance gains and he dramatically lengthened and toughened #2. You could argue he did exactly what everyone is doing today to keep his most championship course relevant for the best players.

And the USGA took action to dramatically slow down the ball during Ross's lifetime, something that it seems unlikely today.

K
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Tony Ristola

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Re: What would Ross say?
« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2011, 05:49:27 AM »
Quote from: mike_beene on August 28, 2011, 12:25:06 AM
he would not be surprised.He saw as much improvement in golfers and distance in his lifetime as we have seen since.

True, and in similar fashion, meaning it came upon us rather quickly.

I think the older architects would wonder why the powers have allowed the game to become emasculated. Alllowing technology that makes the game to be easier to play (implements) is OK, but do something about the damn ball lads. It's nah'a brah day th'day... Are'ye blind r'na lads?
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Niall C

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Re: What would Ross say?
« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2011, 02:13:56 PM »
Tony

Didn't realise Ross spoke gaelic  ;D

Niall
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Anthony Gray

Re: What would Ross say?
« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2011, 02:24:43 PM »


  Didn't he have a repitation for difficult pin placements at Pinehurst if someone scored well the day before or is that just forklore?

  Anthony

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George Pazin

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Re: What would Ross say?
« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2011, 02:55:52 PM »
Quote from: David Cronheim on August 28, 2011, 09:35:52 PM
They played the course easy...I mean c'mon they made 18 driveable.

What yardage does it typically play?

As Tim said, not much you can do when the greens are super soft, and as others said, not much you can do when the players can put their hands on the ball. The combination would likely kill any courses' defenses.
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Howard Riefs

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Re: What would Ross say?
« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2011, 03:43:27 PM »
Quote from: George Pazin on August 29, 2011, 02:55:52 PM
Quote from: David Cronheim on August 28, 2011, 09:35:52 PM
They played the course easy...I mean c'mon they made 18 driveable.

What yardage does it typically play?


Before Gil Hanse changed 18 to a drivable risk-reward hole, it was still a short 370 yards.  NYT article on the 'new' hole:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/24/sports/golf/for-the-barclays-a-shorter-but-much-more-interesting-finishing-hole.html?scp=3&sq=plainfield%2018&st=cse

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Jerry Kluger

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Re: What would Ross say?
« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2011, 04:26:59 PM »
I believe they built 3 new holes at one point which I think was done to build a driving range - my question is: does anyone know how those holes compared to the 3 replacements? 
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