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Mike Hamilton

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Re: Who really walks all of the time?
« Reply #75 on: August 27, 2011, 04:16:59 PM »

1. Who walks 100% of the time?

Not me...more like 70/30.

2. When you walk, do you carry your bag or pull it?

When I have played at Bandon (and Chambers Bay last week) I used one of the big wheeled pullcarts (or a caddie a few times)...they work great.  Otherwise carry.

3. How much of a factor does weather influence your decision?

When it gets close to or over 90 here a lot.  Melvyn may be a purist, but I just checked and the all-time record high at St Andrews is 87 degrees F.  He needs to walk 18 in 95 degree heat and high humidity.  The few times I have done this my head hurt for 24 hours.  

And this summer I have gone out and ridden 13-15 hard miles on my bike in 40-45 minutes even when the thermometer was at 100...but being out for 4-5 hours is too much and its very difficult (for me) not to get dehydrated.

The last two summers I have just severely curtailed my playing from mid June through Mid Aug.


4. How much of a factor does your playing group influence your decision?

Also a lot.  The majority of my 30% riding is in business situations where it just doesnt work to walk.  I have on occassion hosted customers and still walked solo where I knew it would not be perceived the wrong way.  I have also walked some pretty tough courses (like Devil's Knob at Wintergreen) where I had to persuade the starter who insisted that it was riding only.  But in some situations its good to compromise.

I also have started my kids off in a cart.  My 11 year old has now walked 18 a number of times and rarely rides now and my 8 yr old has walked 9 a couple of times...but at 5 and 8 when I was playing zone 1 on 2, having fast transportation was critical!

5. When you decide not to walk, are you glad there are cart paths?

The absolute worst part of walking is having to walk on paved paths where no other route exists.

7. Do you still hate cart paths, even if they are really well hidden?

Not a big deal

8. In general, do you despise golfers who ride in carts?

Only when they are my partner and they pull right up to my ball and hover waiting for my next shot (especially gunning the engine or popping the top on their next beer).   :)

9. Do you despise golfers who ride when the course is easily walk-able and the weather is perfect?

I have influenced a number of playing partners who would have never considered walking to give it a go.  Positive peer pressure.  But if they insist on riding while I walk...no big deal as long as they are considerate.

10. Make up another question and answer it.


Mike Hamilton

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Re: Who really walks all of the time?
« Reply #76 on: August 27, 2011, 04:19:41 PM »
Truth be told, Melvyn, I don't really care what you call it or what you call me.  If I'm not a "golfer" and what I'm playing isn't "golf," I don't really give a damn.  You aren't going to shame me into doing something different.

The good news is the next time I head out to play "Jones-ball," I'll be doing so whilst riding on a cart, drinking an ice cold beer and listening to country music before during and after my shot.  I'll make sure to toast you when I crack open the first can.

JC,

I see you have adjusted to Charlotte well!


JC Jones

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Re: Who really walks all of the time?
« Reply #77 on: August 27, 2011, 04:53:25 PM »
That's right, Mike.  We call it "southern assimilation."  ;D ;D
I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

Melvyn Morrow

Re: Who really walks all of the time?
« Reply #78 on: August 27, 2011, 05:59:49 PM »

Let’s look at it from another direction, say Baseball

Let’s take the game and change it because I am just bloody lazy. So instead of running between the four sectors let’s ride on rails. We have the technology let’s redesign the grounds.

Let’s make the Stadium bigger because we want to let the ball and club develop and distance is important. The riding on rails will aid us as it will open out the inner field.

That’s just two potential changes, golf has suffered much more over the years, but I feel these two points relate to the major changes for the worst in golf, that of not walking and desire for long drives to make some feel manly.

Would you accept this in baseball, well only you can answer that but I suspect that many will say piss off, leave the game alone, it works well as it is.

That my friend is my point, the game of golf is better for walking, for working out distances unaided, and deciding the shot and direction within one’s own mind while working out how to navigate the course. The traditional course etiquette requests that I consider others clearly something that does not seem to matter to many.

Call your game whatever you want, but it’s not golf unless you walk. You do not even have the committed to walk but are happy for carts and their tracks to, at times compromise the design process just so people can ride.

History dictates the game is walking, backed up by our Major Tournaments requiring the players to walk. The game for some 600 years was walking but along comes a few who decide that’s not how they want to play golf.

As for Scotland’s Climate, so what – I have played in the Tropics in Africa  India and a few other places, so fully understand heat & humidity, but I never ran away and looked for the easy way out to ride because I just could not take the strain of walking in such conditions. Wake up and thing how the game was played right up to the 1980 and later in many parts of the world. Cart are new, and still have not penetrated some countries let alone their golf courses, golfer there walk, yes in all that heat and humidity.

Carts are not good for Man or Golf; they are expensive, destructive and force limitations on parts of the design, just so an uncommitted lazy sod can ride and say he has played a round.

You guys do as you wish, but you in the end will have let, first yourselves down then your health and of course Golf, but then the latter is not that important to you otherwise you would not ride.

You may play a game based upon golf but you are not GOLFERS. :'(

Enjoy your ride in the country guys ;)

Melvyn

A.G._Crockett

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Re: Who really walks all of the time?
« Reply #79 on: August 27, 2011, 06:50:51 PM »

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"Golf...is usually played with the outward appearance of great dignity.  It is, nevertheless, a game of considerable passion, either of the explosive type, or that which burns inwardly and sears the soul."      Bobby Jones

Jason Walker

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Re: Who really walks all of the time?
« Reply #80 on: August 27, 2011, 08:45:37 PM »
JC,
please invite me to play Jones-ball sometime.  Sounds fun!

Rather than answer the ?'s, I'll just say:  I belong to two clubs, one which for me is 95+% carts and I love it.  Speed around, carry beer, easier to keep track of bets, talk on the phone, etc.  At the other club I take carts 50% of the time; most of the walking (frankly most of my golf these days) is after-work 5 to 9 holes, or I take a caddy for full round.  Weather was only a factor once this year--at 103 degrees in SJ we opted for the cart.  Rest of the time the decision is mainly who I'm playing with.  Never taken a trolley.  Have zero problem with cart paths or problems with people who ride.

I guess like my political views, I'm squarely in the "who gives a $hit" camp about carts vs. walking.  I just don't really care one way or the other.  I fit in equally well with my cart friends, my caddy friends, or my walking friends (some who unfortunately also fall into the "too cheap to pay for the cart so I'll only play during walking allowed hours" crowd)

Mark Buzminski

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Re: Who really walks all of the time?
« Reply #81 on: August 27, 2011, 10:08:33 PM »
I walk all the time unless it is some kind of 4 man scramble tournament (which I don't really like to be completely honest, but play in for the social aspects a couple times a summer).   Otherwise, I'm hoofing it, whatever the weather.

Malcolm Mckinnon

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Re: Who really walks all of the time?
« Reply #82 on: August 27, 2011, 11:59:47 PM »
Briefly,

I walk every round I play and carry my bag.

If others choose to ride it does not upset me.

The culture of my club is a predominately walking culture so I am on the mainstream.

My club is Springdale Golf Club in Princeton, NJ. USA.

If you want further info you are welcome to PM me.

Cordially,

Malcolm


Sam Morrow

Re: Who really walks all of the time?
« Reply #83 on: August 28, 2011, 12:25:22 AM »
I walked 9 today, it was 108. I killed a 32 oz Gatorade by 5 tee. This may sound crazy but to me when it gets that hot what's the difference between 99 and 102 or 108?

mike_beene

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Re: Who really walks all of the time?
« Reply #84 on: August 28, 2011, 12:34:46 AM »
If the high is less than 100f I push a cart.Otherwise I ride but I never get the satisfaction of burning the calories when I ride.There is a big difference between 98 and 108.When it is up in the hundreds you have to be carful no matter what your condition.Our play gets really light in August because it is miserable even in a cart.Labor day weekend is the start of our season as far as I am concerned and I won't touch a cart until mid July next year except when I am the guest of someone who rides elsewhere.I will carry or take a caddy if at a course with no push carts, but my preference is always the push cart.

Sam Morrow

Re: Who really walks all of the time?
« Reply #85 on: August 28, 2011, 12:39:10 AM »
If the high is less than 100f I push a cart.Otherwise I ride but I never get the satisfaction of burning the calories when I ride.There is a big difference between 98 and 108.When it is up in the hundreds you have to be carful no matter what your condition.Our play gets really light in August because it is miserable even in a cart.Labor day weekend is the start of our season as far as I am concerned and I won't touch a cart until mid July next year except when I am the guest of someone who rides elsewhere.I will carry or take a caddy if at a course with no push carts, but my preference is always the push cart.

I've never played Lakewood but when I drive by it looks like it's an easy walk for you guys.

Steve Lang

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Re: Who really walks all of the time?
« Reply #86 on: August 28, 2011, 01:27:54 AM »
 8) We started this morning it was about 31 degC and when we ended it was about 38 degC ... walkgolf heatgolf sweatgolf it was all pure matchplay golf, only lost the press on last hole.. a par beat a par

tomorrow it will be 9 holes walkgolf and then 9 something akin to Jones-Golf, but without the cart-slouching southern drawl, and better lyrics than heard in pure michigan.. ::)

Inverness (Toledo, OH) cathedral clock inscription: "God measures men by what they are. Not what they in wealth possess.  That vibrant message chimes afar.
The voice of Inverness"

JC Jones

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Re: Who really walks all of the time?
« Reply #87 on: August 28, 2011, 05:47:05 AM »
8) We started this morning it was about 31 degC and when we ended it was about 38 degC ... walkgolf heatgolf sweatgolf it was all pure matchplay golf, only lost the press on last hole.. a par beat a par

tomorrow it will be 9 holes walkgolf and then 9 something akin to Jones-Golf, but without the cart-slouching southern drawl, and better lyrics than heard in pure michigan.. ::)



 ;D When one doesn't have the radio one must provide their own music for enjoyment!!
I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

Joe Grasty

Re: Who really walks all of the time?
« Reply #88 on: August 28, 2011, 02:29:03 PM »
1. Who walks 100% of the time? I walk whenever the weather is below 90F and walking with a push cart is allowed (bad back).
2. When you walk, do you carry your bag or pull it? Push cart.
3. How much of a factor does weather influence your decision?  Heavily.  It is damn hot in TX right now (104F yesterday).
4. How much of a factor does your playing group influence your decision? Minimal.
5. When you decide not to walk, are you glad there are cart paths?  Don't care.
6. Supers, would you rather have wall to wall? paths only around greens/tees? none?
7. Do you still hate cart paths, even if they are really well hidden? Don't care.
8. In general, do you despise golfers who ride in carts? No. Not everyone is physically able to walk 18.
9. Do you despise golfers who ride when the course is easily walk-able and the weather is perfect? No. Not everyone is physically able to walk 18.
10. Make up another question and answer it. Why do I walk? I play better when I walk than when I ride.

Jon Nolan

Re: Who really walks all of the time?
« Reply #89 on: August 28, 2011, 07:34:00 PM »
(1) Really prefer to walk but ride at times due to (3) extreme heat or (10) mountain courses.  (2) I prefer to carry although I've pulled quite a bit this year trying to make a failing harness last through the season.  I carried today and on the second hole it busted loose completely.  I ended up carrying my bag in my arms for 7.5 holes.  I really need to get my lazy butt down to the golf shop and buy a new one.

Don't mind ancient games but have little time for royal games.  Power to the proles.

Garland Bayley

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Re: Who really walks all of the time?
« Reply #90 on: August 28, 2011, 10:32:06 PM »
Jon,

Are you sure the bag can't be patched with some sturdy wire. That's how I put a bag back in play.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

John Keenan

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Re: Who really walks all of the time?
« Reply #91 on: August 29, 2011, 01:48:34 PM »
I am curious why does it matter if you use a trolley or a caddie?  It would seem you are still walking correct? Is the real question who carries?

The things a man has heard and seen are threads of life, and if he pulls them carefully from the confused distaff of memory, any who will can weave them into whatever garments of belief please them best.

Mike Tanner

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Re: Who really walks all of the time?
« Reply #92 on: August 29, 2011, 02:08:26 PM »

1. Who walks 100% of the time?
The times I don't walk are when carts are mandatory or I'm playing in an outing when everyone else is riding.

2. When you walk, do you carry your bag or pull it?
I carry.

3. How much of a factor does weather influence your decision?
None. I walk when it's hot and when it's cold. In fact, walking when it's cold helps keep me warm.

4. How much of a factor does your playing group influence your decision?
See above.

5. When you decide not to walk, are you glad there are cart paths?
Not really.

6. Supers, would you rather have wall to wall? paths only around greens/tees? none?
NA

7. Do you still hate cart paths, even if they are really well hidden?
I don't hate cart paths, but I wish architects didn't have to design for them.

8. In general, do you despise golfers who ride in carts?
No, but I believe that the number of players who truly have a medical need for them is a  much smaller population than the players who want to use them.
 
9. Do you despise golfers who ride when the course is easily walk-able and the weather is perfect?
Despise is a strong word. I feel like they're missing out on a very valuable part of the game—the walk-in-the-park experience.
 
10. Make up another question and answer it.
How many holes have you walked in one day? A measly 45 holes, not up to Jim Colton's level.
Life's too short to waste on bad golf courses or bad wine.

Jud_T

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Re: Who really walks all of the time?
« Reply #93 on: August 29, 2011, 02:22:51 PM »
Aside from bragging rights of the young and bag-toting, this strikes me as a bit silly.  Why don't we just do a GCA combine and see who can do the most reps sprinting around Erin Hills with a 12 lb. sack of potatoes strapped to their back in late July?  In GB&I it's a joy to walk.  Most of the courses were designed for ease of walking and it rarely gets above 80 degrees.  In the U.S. this often isn't the case.  If the criteria for a comfortable walk are a course that's relatively easy to walk, and temperatures below 80 degrees, what percentage of your rounds would qualify?
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

Mark Chaplin

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Re: Who really walks all of the time?
« Reply #94 on: August 30, 2011, 02:55:26 AM »
Donal - trollies slow you down, I can walk in straight lines and save time you cannot do that with a trolley.

Melvyn - I only ever use a buggy abroad, last time in NZ where we shared one and I walked probably 50% of the round. However we cannot ignore the facts presented by Adrian who owns and runs golf courses of the commercial advantages in his marketplace of buggies. What I am dead against is mandatory buggies (& caddies) which take away choice.
Cave Nil Vino

Dónal Ó Ceallaigh

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Re: Who really walks all of the time?
« Reply #95 on: August 30, 2011, 03:09:08 AM »
Donal - trollies slow you down, I can walk in straight lines and save time you cannot do that with a trolley.

Melvyn - I only ever use a buggy abroad, last time in NZ where we shared one and I walked probably 50% of the round. However we cannot ignore the facts presented by Adrian who owns and runs golf courses of the commercial advantages in his marketplace of buggies. What I am dead against is mandatory buggies (& caddies) which take away choice.

Mark,

Can you do a 100 m dash with a bag on your shoulder?  ;D

Melvyn Morrow

Re: Who really walks all of the time?
« Reply #96 on: August 30, 2011, 04:32:52 AM »

Mark

It’s a vicious viscous run of ever decreasing circle controlled by the potential to make money. It’s a calculated gamble by the clubs to milk their customers, even with the absorbent start-up cost in both machinery and maintenance, not forgetting the cost to the course and potential cost of tracks. These tracks can and do create major problems in their own right relating to the course, the original design intention and again adding significant expenditure.

As with the distance aid scenario, golfers do not need carts or distance aids to play golf, it’s the lazy or if you prefer the total lack of commitment by both the clubs and Players which has generated these aids – which do affect the player and his performance, so should be banned or at he the very least regarded for what they really are - the opportunity to gain advantage thus cheating. Not forgetting the unnecessary financial pressure to provide such cheating aids.

The occasional use of a cart for medical reasons would not burden a club or compromise the course design. As for the argument that it’s just too hot to walk brings into question, is the Land Fit for Purpose, if it needs carts , then clearly the answer is no.

Golf as most of us agree is a walking and thinking game, yet the extra large volumes of money the game has seen since WW2 is corrupting the game allowing money to rule and not the Spirit or common sense of the Game.

If the game needed this aids then I might revaluate my opinion, but we all know it does not, they are there purely to assist and aid the modern player which in by book in cheating. I might not even mind if it was benefiting the majority of players but in reality it’s not – it taking away the gentle exercise that helps to keep our bodies mobile and clogs or silt’s up the mind by not utilising the automatic coordination between mind and body.

They are helping to make us old well before our time.

Melvyn

Ryan Farrow

Re: Who really walks all of the time?
« Reply #97 on: August 30, 2011, 08:53:23 AM »
Perhaps its time for me to respond:

1. Who walks 100% of the time? Not me.... I would say 20% of the time... and that would be a generous estimate
2. When you walk, do you carry your bag or pull it? Carry... never have pulled. Would prefer a Caddie, lets me focus more on the course when I am playing a round
3. How much of a factor does weather influence your decision? A lot. Most of my rounds are in Arizona and Southern China. One Hot Hot. One Hot & Humid.
4. How much of a factor does your playing group influence your decision? A lot. I will go with the flow... I typically play with my brother who, almost always, is in a cart... He thinks I have mental problems if I walk anywhere!
5. When you decide not to walk, are you glad there are cart paths?I think cart paths are sometimes wonderful, sometimes terrible.
6. Supers, would you rather have wall to wall? paths only around greens/tees? none?
7. Do you still hate cart paths, even if they are really well hidden? No
8. In general, do you despise golfers who ride in carts? No
9. Do you despise golfers who ride when the course is easily walk-able and the weather is perfect? Yes, but I understand... it's not their fault.
10. Make up another question and answer it. I just made up 9 asshole. Why are you asking for another one?

Mark Chaplin

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Re: Who really walks all of the time?
« Reply #98 on: August 30, 2011, 11:42:17 AM »
I'm not convinced many owners are making money out of golf in 2011. A course near me that cost many millions to build is now a fallow field. Life is full of things we do not need especially buggies for 20 year olds but then our grandfathers all had cycles at 20 and today everyone has a car so maybe it's progress.
Cave Nil Vino

Terry Lavin

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Re: Who really walks all of the time?
« Reply #99 on: August 30, 2011, 12:00:40 PM »
I usually walk if caddies are available, but if I don't walk, I make sure to wear a hair shirt and put a stone or two in my shoes.
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.  H.L. Mencken

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