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Phil McDade

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Maple Bluff CC (Madison WI) -- pictorial essay
« on: August 11, 2011, 12:57:32 PM »
Maple Bluff CC, in the Madison WI bedroom community of Maple Bluff, is one of the oldest golf clubs in Wisconsin, dating back to 1899. Its ties to Wisconsin golf are deep; in 1901, it was one of nine charter members that created the Wisconsin State Golf Association. It has hosted numerous state tournaments throughout its history, and this past July hosted the State Amateur championship.

What started out as a five-hole course roughed out on farmland by the club’s early members quickly evolved into a 9-hole course designed by Herbert J. Tweedie (Flossmoor, Exmoor, Glen View and others in the Chicago area). Cornish and Whitten list Tweedie’s original 9-hole design as NLE, and the course was expanded  to 18 holes in 1916 – presumably by the little known George P. Ferry, whose only other major work (that I can find) was the West Shore Golf and Country Club on Grosse Ilse, MI.

The course sits on two distinct pieces of modestly rolling land covering not much more than 100 acres – a narrow rectangular portion near the stately white clubhouse, and a triangular piece of land atop the rectangle. The two pieces of land join at the highest point of the course, and the course squeezes seven tees and greens near this high spot, making for some elevated tee shots and greens.

The course has undergone several major renovations during its time, including the re-routing of a public road in the 1960s that relocated several holes (5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 11) and led to the creation of several new greens. The architectural team of Killian and Nugent worked on the course, as did Arthur Hills about 10 years ago. (This link: http://wsga.bluegolf.com/bluegolf/wsga11/event/wsga1139/course/maplebluffcc/aerial.htm?next=..%2F..%2Findex.htm provides a very good aerial of the course.)

The course is generally viewed as the best test of golf among the Madison-area courses. Although not quite as short or quirky as its counterpart on Madison’s west side, Blackhawk CC (http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,41775.0.html ), the Bluff is not overly long, and has its share of unconventional holes. The course is characterized by its narrow, tree-lined fairways, deep bunkers that pinch nearly every green, thick rough, and greens that (with a few exceptions) don’t feature significant internal contouring, but are often sharply tilted. Maple Bluff’s greens are considered by most knowledgeable golfers as among the best and fastest in the state.
One notable feature – out-of-bounds runs completely, or nearly so, alongside seven holes, making an already tight course play that much tighter. Conditioning is always top-notch; current superintendent Tom Harrison has been on the grounds crew for 43 years and in his current post since the mid-1970s. Current PGA pro Jerry Kelly, who grew up on Madison’s east side, is a member here, and owns a home nearby.

The course tips out at exactly 6,400 yards, at a par of 71 (rating 72/slope 132). It plays to 6,073 yards from the white tees (70.6/129) and 5,502 from the forward tees (72.7/126). Its most significant strategic element lies with the golfer’s choice off the tee; with a number of short par 4s and three reachable par 5s, the long hitter may be tempted to take driver off the tee. But the numerous trees, thick rough, and challenging bunkers – and the necessity of keeping approach shots below the hole on the sharply tilted greens – puts a premium on playing from the fairways. In short, the conventional wisdom about playing the Bluff is that your wedge game is far more important than your driver. It’s no pushover; not one of the state’s best amateurs managed to break par during the 72-hole championship, with +1 the winning score.

No. 1 (par 4, 290/283 yards)
Maple Bluff demands choices off the tee, and that’s evident right out of the gate on this short, uphill par 4. The long hitters can reach the green, but the fairway is tight, thick rough and trees line both sides, and large bunkers (especially the one short left and one fronting the green) gobble up the slightly miss-hit shot. One threesome that I saw tee off at the Amateur played, respectively: driver (wide right, big trouble); utility wood (left fairway, past the large bunker on the left – ideal positioning); and 6-iron (middle of fairway short of all bunkers, wedge to green). Conventional thinking suggests that narrow, parkland courses offer only one-dimensional play, but the Bluff has a number of holes with options off the tee.


The lip of the large fairway bunker left; Hills is said to have done a lot of work on the bunkers here during his work on the course 10 years ago.


This golfer (ball just to the left of his bag) has ideally placed his tee shot past the fairway bunkers but short of the fronting bunker, leaving a short chip into the green.


A typical Maple Bluff green – not overly big, not much internal contouring, but with a significant tilt from back to front. On the first day of competition, this was one of the easiest pin placements on the hole; pins placed on the front half of the green are quite tricky. Birdies are possible here; it’s the only hole that played to an under-par average (3.99) during the Amateur.


No. 2 (par 4, 448/437)
The #1 handicap hole on the course, this is a tough hole that puts demands on both the tee and approach shots. The drive is modestly downhill, and a ridge coming in from the left helps feed balls into the fairway on that side. But OB lines the entire right side of the hole (the brown picket fence is staked OB). At the narrowest point, near the ideal landing zone in the fairway, OB sits just 12-15 yards from the right edge of the fairway – a narrow margin of error.


This fairway bunker benched into a small hillside sees its share of tee shots from those trying to stay away from the OB right.


From the right rough just short of the green; note how close the white-staked fence is to the bunker, and the road and OB looming behind the green. The golfer who takes less than driver off the tee to keep the ball in play will be left with a longer approach into a small green surrounded by trouble.


The small oval green of the 2nd, perched up from its surrounds. This hole, not surprisingly, played as the most difficult during the Amateur, with an average score of 4.69. A very difficult test early in the round, when the golfer may be unsure of his swing.


No. 3 (par 4, 285/274)
The Bluff’s quirkiest hole, the short 3rd is wedged in between a public road, the club’s entrance road and clubhouse, a parking lot, tennis courts and a pond! Like the 1st, it can be driven, but OB can be found on both sides of the hole, and long of the green. Here’s the tee shot; two stately trees frame the opening.


These two bunkers on the left side of the fairway see lots of action.


This centerline bunker is well-placed, sitting about 40 yards short of the green. Note the severe falloff on the right side of the green.


A look back at the tee of the 3rd; the course lies a few hundred feet east of Lake Mendota, the largest of the four lakes in the greater Madison area. Just above the tennis courts you can see the skyline of downtown Madison and (faintly) the Capitol dome (just above the flag). In its beginnings, the course’s members often boated to the club from Madison’s more populated downtown isthmus for a round.


The green also features a severe drop-off on the backside; here’s a look at the wrap-around bunker on the back side. Wise club members with newer cars know where not to park at this club.


No. 4 (par 3, 177/167)
The first of the course’s solid set of par 3s, the 4th hole plays downhill from a tee adjacent to the clubhouse. Deep bunkers left and right pinch the front of the green. Club selection is key here, and can be tricky, as the hole plays about a club-length less from the tees and often with the prevailing summer wind. Long is trouble; at least one player at the Amateur had to re-tee after not finding his ball that landed over the green.


A look at the greenside bunkering on the right side of the green. This player left his initial shot in the sand; you have to make a concerted effort to get out of the Bluff’s deep bunkers.


No. 5 (par 5, 532/520)
A gently rising par 5 that’s within reach for many players in two, but you’d better be in the fairway. The green is benched against a hillside off in the distance, under the three pointy fir trees.


This active rail lines runs alongside the entire length of the hole, and although camouflaged by trees, it lurks close by and is easily reachable with the slightly wayward drive.


Trees and bunkers narrow the playing corridor of the 5th.


The lips on many fairway bunkers at the Bluff are raised, often leaving the player with little choice than to pitch out with a short iron and take his medicine.


The green sits at the highest point of the hole, once again pinched by fronting bunkers.


A look back at the 5th shows the narrowness of the hole; the rail line sits about 10 yards beyond the cart path lining the side of the hole (left of photo).


No. 6 (par 3, 205/175)
One of the reworked holes from the 1960s course renovation, the 6th is a solid par 3 where any wayward shot right will find a watery death. Water comes into play on only two of the Bluff’s holes, but it’s the major feature here. The tee sits at the highest point of the course.


The 6th green features three distinct tiers – a small front section, a large middle section, and the very tough back tier. This pin here is on the right side of the middle tier. A really tough challenge; during the four rounds of the Amateur, the 6th yielded a modest 28 birdies, 150 bogeys, 84 double bogeys, and 14 others.


No. 7 (par 4, 353/331)
Most holes at the Bluff play straightaway or with modest turns in the fairway; not so the 7th. This short par 4 turns sharply at the denuded tree on the left.  (If you can believe it, a major storm five years ago felled numerous trees on the course. This dominant tree was damaged during the storm, but left intact.)


Mounding obscures the narrow, small green at the 7th.


No. 8 (par 4, 379/358)
The tee shot on the 8th is slightly elevated to – by Maple Bluff standards – one of the more generous fairways on the course. The rail line that runs alongside the entire right side of the 5th runs along the entire left side of the 8th.


The approach to the 8th, sharply uphill. As narrow as the fairways are at the Bluff, the course is perhaps even more exacting with its approach shots, as wayward shots into the green are usually penalized with a bunkered ball.


No. 9 (par 5, 561/513)
The longest hole on the course, and one of the few where the golfer feels he can open his shoulders a bit and let loose from the tee. The tee shot here is elevated to a fairway below that sweeps off to the right. Very dense woods line the right side of the hole, but this is a fairway that’s wider than it appears on the tee.


The fairway bunker left about 50 yards short of the green threatens the off-line second shot into this green. The green is a very good one, similar to the 6th, with three distinct tiers.


The player here is putting from the lowest tier of the green to a hole placed in the middle tier. The upper tier occupies the back third of the green. The bunker sits astride nearly the entire right side of the green.



Phil McDade

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Re: Maple Bluff CC (Madison WI) -- pictorial essay
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2011, 01:00:45 PM »
Maple Bluff CC cont’d (back nine)

No. 10 (par 4, 365/359)
The back-nine opener sits directly parallel to its close cousin the 1st, and plays similarly but longer. Fairway bunkers short right and long left threaten the errant tee shot.


The 10th green, one of the smallest on the course.


A look back at the 10th; the green is angled in such a way that the best approach is from the right side of the fairway.


Another look at the 10th green reveals the intimate nature of the course. Back right, players are putting out on the 17th green; back left, players are putting out on the 1st hole green.


No. 11 (par 3, 171/153)
Carved from the thickest woods on the course, the 11th has a claustrophobic feel to it.


A somewhat closer look reveals a green that swings behind the fronting bunker left. The back bunker is to be avoided at all costs; it may be the toughest up-and-down from a bunker on the course.


No. 12 (par 4, 410/403)
One of only three par 4s on the course topping 400 yards, the 12th played very tough during the Amateur, averaging 4.59 strokes during the four rounds of the tournament. The hole runs due west, the only one to do so on the course, and thus sometimes directly into a prevailing wind coming off nearby Lake Mendota (about 200 yards west of the green here). Further toughening the hole is OB that lines the entire left side of the hole.


No. 13 (par 3, 171/153)
An Eden-like par 3; George Bahto’s description of the hole in his GCA interview (“…severely sloping back-to- front putting surface…Original Macdonald/Raynor/Banks versions usually present teardrop shaped greens, falling in a yardage range between 160 to 175 yards…”) is pretty much what the golfer encounters at the Bluff’s 13th. The target is a tiny one – the smallest green on the course.


A closer look at the green from a few yards in front, and from the right side. The golfer who isn’t careful with his bunker shot risks playing ping-pong with the bunker opposite, so small is the green here.



No. 14 (par 5, 500/483)
For my tastes, the best of the three par 5s at the Bluff – a hole in which most golfers will be tempted to reach the green in two, but with some interest along the way. The tee shot is straightaway, but the fairway starts bending toward the left at the landing zone, and is framed by two fairway bunkers right and a large fairway bunker left. Yet another hole in which OB in the form of a road lines the entire left side of the hole from tee to green.


A closer look at the fairway bunkers on the 14th. Interestingly, the player can see the green from here (just above the left edge of the bunker left), but it’s obscured farther up the fairway.


Near the landing zone for probably many a member at the Bluff; it’s a blind approach to the green. The small portion of a house you can see through the woods? That’s the aiming point for the green.


The approach to the 14th green is tightly guarded by bunkers left and right.


A closer look at the green; adding to the challenge here is that the green is placed in the far northwest corner of the course’s property, with the road looming to the left of the green and the rail line running along the backside, mere steps from a green with a sharp falloff on the back. A very good short par 5; played conventionally in three shots, it shouldn’t present many problems for the safe golfer. But the more assertive golfer can run into trouble quickly with poor shots. Emblematic, in many ways, of the entire course.


No. 15 (par 4, 412/397)
The most generous fairway at the Bluff; after feeling pretty constrained for the first 14 holes, the golfer appreciates the space of the 15th’s landing zone, shown here.


The small oval green of the 15th, guarded by two small bunkers left and Killian/Nugent-like mounds right.


No. 16 (par 4, 359/342)
The 16th runs due east, so a helping breeze off nearby Lake Mendota can aid the drive here. A pond left and bunker right narrow the landing zone for the fairway.


Here’s the fairway bunker; note the depth of the greenside bunker left. The green sits benched against the hillside near the highest point of the course. It’s typically an additional club length into this raised green.


The green at the 16th features the largest internal contour of any on the course; here are two looks at it.



No. 17 (par 4, 376/357)
Maple Bluff at its most constrained – welcome to the single-file 17th. The deepest woods of the course sit just off the left side of the fairway, while yet another OB road lines the fairway right. The tee shot is elevated to a fairway that cants slightly from right to left.


The golfer who puts his tee shot too far left in the fairway is presented with this dilemma.


The ideal landing spot center-right isn’t exactly a bargain.


The fairway narrows, and the trees are even more of a presence, the farther one travels down the fairway. This is from about 100 yards out.


A look at the unbunkered green at the 17th, a very good one. The small oval tilts sharply from back to front, and features two distinct tiers.


A look back at the 17th; there’s a golf hole in there somewhere.


No. 18 (par 4, 382/353)
A fine closer; the tee shot is elevated to a fairway with some movement.


The hole bends slightly to the right; two fairway bunkers left lurk at the bend in the fairway.


From 150 yards away, the golfer can see the challenge of this hole – one of the best greens on the course, tilted sharply from back to front and left to right.


A closer look at the green, perched up from its surrounds.


Two looks at the green. In an indication of the challenge of this green,  the winner of this year’s Amateur, Mike McDonald, two-putted from 50 feet away to a back pin on the 18th to clinch the championship. Runner-up Jack Schultz, meanwhile (with McDonald in the clubhouse leading by one shot), placed a wedge only four feet from the pin with his approach, but above the hole. He missed the putt, and lost by a shot. So lies one of the chief lessons of the course and its greens – stay below the hole.


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Morgan Clawson

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Re: Maple Bluff CC (Madison WI) -- pictorial essay
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2011, 01:59:04 PM »
Phil,

Thank you for this very comprehensive and well written review.  It is always great to learn about courses that are off the radar.

I like a lot of what I see:  Interesting green complexes, a relaxed old-school feel to the course, and challenging bunker placements.

But man, it's narrow!  I guess I would question the need to have so many trees along the OB lines. Seems like a double hazard to me. 

And they have lots of pine trees whicha re my pet peeve.  It looks like some of them are to guard neighboring greens, but there are still too many.

How do you split 10 rounds between here and University Ridge?

Phil McDade

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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2011, 02:15:14 PM »
Morgan:

Agree on the pine trees, although I think you are right in that many of them are protective. It's a course on a very small piece of property, and although the pictures may not depict it, the holes are pretty much crammed up against each other, so the trees serve as buffers in some regard.

Re. the trees along the OB -- my guess is that's simply to protect the traffic on the roads (and rail lines!). The course sits right in the middle of one of the truly old-money neighborhoods in these parts, and the village roads run right up against the course, so I think it may be a protective thing.

It definitely has an old-school feel to it, and the greens are quite good. But it's a tight little bugger.

I am not the world's biggest fan of URidge, although I think it has several holes of interest. Here's my thread on it from a few years ago: http://golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,38431.0/

I'd probably go 7-3 in favor of the Bluff. I like the Bluff for my game, but it doesn't beat you over the head w/ length or penal features like water. Still, I think it can hold its own as a test of golf w/ most of the top courses in the state.

Morgan Clawson

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« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2011, 02:27:22 PM »
I have looked at your U Ridge report before - it's another good one.

What are your top 5 favorites in Madison?

Phil McDade

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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2011, 02:41:07 PM »
Morgan:

I'm absolutely biased toward old-school courses and designs.

Of the three classic-era Madison courses, I'd go with: 1) Maple Bluff; 2) Blackhawk; and 3) Nakoma.

I'd play each of those three before URidge. I like URidge a bit more than Cherokee CC (Stricker's home club), but URidge can be a long slog in terms of playing time, for some of the reasons outlined in the thread, and Cherokee is rarely crowded and is an agreeable round of golf.  I have yet to get on Bishop's Bay, the newest of the clubs in these parts (private, built @ 15 years ago), which was Brett Favre's haunt when he'd come to Madison.

Both the Oaks (Greg Martin) and Bergamont (Andy North) are in the suburbs, and both are pretty good, albiet with some oddities and features that bring them down a notch in my book. Not quite up the standard of URidge or Cherokee in my book.

The rest are munis and daily fees with some interest, but behind those mentioned above.

George Pazin

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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2011, 02:43:29 PM »
This centerline bunker is well-placed, sitting about 40 yards short of the green. Note the severe falloff on the right side of the green.


I really like the look of this green complex - but are those cars as close as they look? Don't park there if I'm playing!

Everything else does look nice, if a bit narrow.
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Phil McDade

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« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2011, 02:56:07 PM »
George:

The cars are absolutely in play! If you airmail that green by one club length (say, PW instead of SW), you could easily bonk a car. And if you really try to hammer one off the tee with a driver to reach the green, and don't fade it, you could easily hit a car as well.

Mike Hendren

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« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2011, 03:15:41 PM »
Dadgummit, Phil.  Thanks for posting this one day AFTER I was in Madison.  Some cool looking stuff, trees and all.  Thanks for the thread.

Mike
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Keith Buntrock

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« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2011, 05:43:28 PM »
Nice photos here. Number 8, while the fairway is slightly wider than the normal fairway width at Maple Bluff, is the most intimidating tee shot at Maple Bluff imo. The tee shot is through a chute of experienced pine trees and force the golfer to keep it relatively straight. On top of that, the landing area is completely blind, and any tee shot with a slight hook is going out of bounds. From the tee, anything right of the fairway looks like it will be either right under or right behind some large pine trees.

Its hard to play a round at MB without at least one big number as the course is demanding enough to mentally fiddle with the players mind. As it did with mine each day at least once as I played the tournament this year.

Matthew Rose

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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2011, 08:21:15 PM »
Disappointed that I never got a chance to play this in my high school days. Most matches we played against West or Memorial usually ended up at Blackhawk while we always played East at Cherokee.

I've never actually seen it. A pity, as I think I would have enjoyed it more than the other two. I really never liked Cherokee much at all.

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Phil McDade

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« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2011, 08:41:31 PM »
Matt:

It's much more conventional than Blackhawk, which is quirk on overdrive in some respects. Both share some similarities -- tight properties, narrow corridors for the most part, greens that are testing. I think the Bluff is the better overall course, and remains a solid rest for most players.

Jeff Shelman

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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2011, 12:00:09 AM »
Phil,

Thanks for this. I certainly see similarities to my club in the Twin Cities.

On your ranking of Madison area courses, you didn't mention Hawks Landing. Have you seen it? Thoughts?

I played there once and thought there were some good holes, despite the massively wide fairways and even bigger houses.

Phil McDade

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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2011, 08:16:05 AM »
Jeff:

You're right -- it probably skipped my mind because I haven't played it. They went semi- or totally private a few years ago (the owner said that course was "too good to be public," which prompted me to start a thread here on that very subject...), although I could probably easily find a way to get on (I know several members over there). On similar terrain as next-door URidge, I like the look of the bunkering there, but agree the houses do distract from its appeal. A Harbottle design, I think; it's a really spread-out course, designed it seems to get as many houses overlooking the course as possible.

Jeff Shelman

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« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2011, 11:53:41 AM »
Phil,

Hawks Landing is a Harbottle (which is somewhat weird considering most of his work is in the west and northwest). It's not bad and is semi-private.

I rode because it was one of those days that looked like it could rain at any moment, but I did see some people walking. I would say it is probably worth checking out, especially if they have any decent fall deals.
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PCCraig

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« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2011, 12:01:59 PM »
Phil,

Thanks for posting this review. I've honestly heard little about Maple Bluff in the past but it looks really interesting. Some cool greens out there!
H.P.S.

Mark Smolens

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« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2011, 01:45:51 PM »
Phil, didn't Jerry Kelly do one of those Golf Channel playing lessons at the Bluff? I seem to recall that.

I played there a million years ago, and the thing that struck me most were the greens -- firm, but very playable, and lightning fast. . . woe to the ball which comes to rest above the hole on one of these very tilted greens, you'll soon enough be below the hole.

Thanks for the tour.

Phil McDade

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« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2011, 02:20:21 PM »
Phil, didn't Jerry Kelly do one of those Golf Channel playing lessons at the Bluff? I seem to recall that.


Yes he did! It was pretty funny, too -- Kelly hit his ball into some junk behind one of the holes, and tried to hack his way out to no avail!

Reports from the State Am suggest the greens played a bit slower than usual -- it was played during that really hot streak of weather in July when the dewpoints were in the 70s, which I think led to some concerns by the greens staff about burning out the greens if kept too dry.

RJ_Daley

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« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2011, 03:04:12 PM »
Back in 70s and early 80s, I'd play 'The Bluff' every year on basically the closing day in Oct or early Nov.   They put on an all day, late evening card playing, benefit-thankyou sort of toon-a-mint for the law enforcement folks in and around the Dane Co., area.  It was a real blast and fun event.   They didn't spare any of the trimmings either, with beer carts free, just a nominal fee for lunch dinner and prizes and tip the cart gal, lunch and a buffet dinner and awards, both golf and cop work recognition.  Golf was free. 

Some might see it as some sort of a bribe to cops, but it really was not seen that way by the cops or long time members and residents of Maple Bluff community.  MB community and club had some really great 'old school' generous community builders sort of folks that were never pretentious or favor seeking.   I never encountered any of those folks on the job that ever even brought it up.  But, the newspapers did... and the event was killed, as I recall.  It has been a long time, so maybe they are doing it again or the membership flavor has changed.  Don't know....

Anywho, that was before I took much interest in GCA as a hobby.  So, my recollection of GCA feature isn't that good, even though I probably played it a half dozen times.  I do believe a lot of remodel work took place since those days.  But, the trees haven't stopped growing- that's for sure!   ::) ;D

Of this sort of club from a design features standpoint, my recollection comparing it with what I think might be similar in flavor, Jason T's Oak Ridge in minnieapple, I'd say OR wins hands down.  I am not an architectural fan of this confined overly treed course.

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Phil McDade

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« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2011, 03:32:46 PM »
Richard:

That's a great story about that tournament -- probably the CapTimes which brought it down, those dang progressive libs and their crusading newspaper! ;D

You're right about the membership back then -- Mr. Oscar Meyer I believe belonged there, as did many OM executives (Oscar the 3rd lived until 95, and died just a few years ago -- must've been all those dogs and brats that help him in good health!). Maple Bluff has always been THE old-money club in these parts, and its roster of membership back then (and to some extent today) is a who's who of civic leaders in town. Now it's trying hard to attract families, with the pool and tennis courts and a pretty good junior golf program helping to keep and attract families. And they still have a pretty well-regarded caddie program for the high school kids in the summer; the son of my golf-coach buddy caddies out there.

Re. the course -- I think one of the things that's forgotten about some of these old-line courses is just how much golf was crammed into small sites. The three old clubs in Madison (the Bluff, Blackhawk, and Nakoma) all are viewed as narrow, tree-lined courses, and they are -- but I'd bet the three combined don't sit on 300 acres of land. They're tight by necessity! My sense is that they are different in that respect than, say, an Oakmont, which I get the impression isn't as tightly compacted, and thus tree removal is something of an option. I think the Bluff could absolutely use to lose some trees, but the hole layout is so tight, I wonder if deforesting the place would lead to balls just flying all over the place.

RJ_Daley

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Re: Maple Bluff CC (Madison WI) -- pictorial essay
« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2011, 04:27:17 PM »
Phil, my guess is if they'd selectively and strategically down 1/3rd of the trees, you'd hardly notice on the old treed landscape aspects, but might improve the play as something more than narrow shot demanding areas of play.  Again, don't know really how it is in recent years.  I see Ricky H., took second place in the WIAM.  He's a local kid from here.   

I remember your local WSJ of CT did a sunday piece some years ago already, featuring the exodus from the local privates scene, to public play all around the area.  So, I guess that lower membership aspect continues. 

I remember seeing some old photos of MB on the Wi Histerical Society web photo images page.  I doubt the current course bares much similarity to the old course.  As they say, it is probably a "nice members course". 

Rooting for Jerry or Steve much?   ;) ;D 8)
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Phil McDade

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Re: Maple Bluff CC (Madison WI) -- pictorial essay
« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2011, 05:28:13 PM »
The Wisconsin boys are going backwards. :(

But, no one's lapping the field.

Agree that several holes could use tree-trimming. 17 to me is just over-the-top, but my sense is that the club likes it that way...

Will Peterson

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Re: Maple Bluff CC (Madison WI) -- pictorial essay
« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2011, 11:23:57 PM »
I don't remember the hole (short par 4 near a corner of the property - maybe 7), but they changed a green sometime between 1998-2008.  It had three huge humps in it shaped like gum drops.  I thought it was the oddest green I would ever see, but then saw a nearly exact copy at Kenosha CC.  It was quite quirky, but I think it was a loss to remove it.

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