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Jason Connor

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Southern Pines - the town
« on: August 10, 2011, 01:43:39 PM »
I recently read Jim Dodson's A Son of the Game and thoroughly enjoyed it (as I typically do with this books, name dropping and all).

I haven't visited the Pinehurst area, but thoroughly enjoyed his description of Southern Pines, the city, and I now really want to visit.

My wife and I (I work from home) have discussed great small towns in which to settle down and it seemed attractive.

So just wondering if any one else has an opinion on Southern Pines.

Thanks
We discovered that in good company there is no such thing as a bad golf course.  - James Dodson

Bill_McBride

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Re: Southern Pines - the town
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2011, 01:48:53 PM »
Golf's Most Beloved Figure lives there.    How bad could it be?

Southern Pines Country Club is a nice old Ross course.


David Cronheim

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Re: Southern Pines - the town
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2011, 01:55:41 PM »
I've been there quite a few times and enjoyed myself. Pinehurst has a little bit more charm as a village, but Southern Pines is a lovely town. I've played several of the Pinehurst courses, Mid Pines, and Tobacco Road. I liked all them quite a bit. I think Mid Pines is a little underrated compared to its sister course across the street, Pine Needles. It's hard to find a better concentration of good golf anywhere in the country, perhaps save the Monterrey Peninsula.
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PCCraig

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Re: Southern Pines - the town
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2011, 02:08:02 PM »
Southern Pines is a cool town that you could actually live in year-round. As great as Pinehurst is it can be touristy and feel like a big resort. All the people I know who live there under 40 live in Southern Pines.
H.P.S.

Jason Connor

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Re: Southern Pines - the town
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2011, 02:38:02 PM »
Golf's Most Beloved Figure lives there.    How bad could it be?

Pardon my ignorance (or perhaps my inability to understand the sarcasm) but who would that be?

And thanks for all the comments, guys.

That was my take away from the book: Pinehurst is touristy.  Southern Pines is actually a community.  We've been wondering what those quaint little towns left are.  Then I read this and was intrigued.

It seems tricky to find quaint small towns full of pretty educated people.  I grew up in a tiny town in the Appalachians and loved it, but it's not the most worldly place.

« Last Edit: August 10, 2011, 02:40:06 PM by Jason Connor »
We discovered that in good company there is no such thing as a bad golf course.  - James Dodson

Chris Buie

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Re: Southern Pines - the town
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2011, 02:42:12 PM »
The most eloquent description of the contrast between Pinehurst and Southern Pines was written by novelist James Boyd.  Although he wrote it in 1925 it still rings true - even though the letter is comedic. He penned it after a writer for The News & Observer newspaper in Raleigh mistakenly characterized Boyd as a resident of Pinehurst.

Dear Sir,

At a single stroke your powerful newspaper has destroyed my happiness and ruined my reputation. Although for nearly thirty years I have been a citizen of Southern Pines, you describe me as coming from Pinehurst. The difference is immense.

Pinehurst is a resort visited by golfers; Southern Pines is a town inhabited by foxhunters. In the summer, Pinehurst ceases to exist. It is merely a village haunted by the ghost of departed golfers. But all the year round, Southern Pines may be seen vigorously flourishing, its noble civic life distinguished by sectarian disputes, town dogs, corner loafers, Kiwanians, caucuses, tax-dodgers, bootleggers, deadbeats, rummage sales, lawsuits, chiropractors, literary gents, beauty shoppes and all the other attributes of organized metropolitan society.

You can, therefore, conceive my grief at your misapprehension. Especially when I tell you I am a foxhunter, and that all foxhunters are ex-officio Nature’s noblemen whose luster no amount of lying, liquor and vaingloriousness can dim. If it could, that luster would have dimmed long ago.

Golf, on the other hand, is merely the most expensive and depressing form of pedestrianism. It renders its victims on the one hand gloomy and self-pitying, and, on the other, tediously and interminably loquacious. I know of no other practice, except the purchase and consumption of bad liquor, wherein good money can be spent for so pitiable a result.

From all this, you can see the wrong you have done me, and when I add that I never visit Raleigh without making your newspaper office into my social club where I try to persuade your City Editor, your Special Writers, your Staff Correspondents and reporters, and the sons of your distinguished owner to desert their labors of getting out the paper and listen to my tales of foxhunting, you will feel, as I do, that you have made me a mighty sorry return.

I am, Truly Yours,
James Boyd


Like I said, the letter still sort of rings true.  Even now SP is more equestrian than golf oriented. Still most people would tell you it is preferable to Pinehurst as a place to live.
Oh, by the way, Boyd had his own private 9 hole course in Southern Pines.
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Mike Benham

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Re: Southern Pines - the town
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2011, 03:36:58 PM »

Bill - let me edit your comment ...


Southern Pines Country Club is a nice old Ross course.



"... and I liked the guy ..."

Chris Buie

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Re: Southern Pines - the town
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2011, 04:05:43 PM »
Mike, what is it you don't like about SPGC?

Bill_McBride

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Re: Southern Pines - the town
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2011, 05:31:50 PM »

Bill - let me edit your comment ...


Southern Pines Country Club is a nice old Ross course.


I didn't say "great old Ross course," but I'm comfortable with "nice."


« Last Edit: August 10, 2011, 06:14:06 PM by Bill_McBride »

Bill_McBride

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Re: Southern Pines - the town
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2011, 05:34:21 PM »
Golf's Most Beloved Figure lives there.    How bad could it be?

Pardon my ignorance (or perhaps my inability to understand the sarcasm) but who would that be?

Jason, no sarcasm intended whatsoever, GMBF is our host, Ran Morrisette. 

Carl Johnson

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Re: Southern Pines - the town
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2011, 06:00:35 PM »
I recently read Jim Dodson's A Son of the Game and thoroughly enjoyed it (as I typically do with this books, name dropping and all).

I haven't visited the Pinehurst area, but thoroughly enjoyed his description of Southern Pines, the city, and I now really want to visit.

My wife and I (I work from home) have discussed great small towns in which to settle down and it seemed attractive.

So just wondering if any one else has an opinion on Southern Pines.

Thanks


Jason, Where do you live now, and where have you lived previously, and for how long?

(My wife and I are Yankees by birth and upbringing, but have lived in North Carolina since 1965.  Although we live in Charlotte, we have a lot of experience in the Pinehurst/Southern Pines area.  It would help me to answer if I knew where you were coming from.)
« Last Edit: August 10, 2011, 06:04:24 PM by Carl Johnson »

Mike Benham

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Re: Southern Pines - the town
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2011, 07:30:08 PM »

I didn't say "great old Ross course," but I'm comfortable with "nice."


The course is plenty nice, I read between the lines and assumed you meant the "club" part ...
"... and I liked the guy ..."

Jason Connor

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Re: Southern Pines - the town
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2011, 08:01:12 PM »
Thanks Bill. Didn't realized that's where our fearless leader resides.

Jason, Where do you live now, and where have you lived previously, and for how long?

(My wife and I are Yankees by birth and upbringing, but have lived in North Carolina since 1965.  Although we live in Charlotte, we have a lot of experience in the Pinehurst/Southern Pines area.  It would help me to answer if I knew where you were coming from.)

Thanks Carl. I grew up in a coal mining town of 300 in Maryland's bit of Appalachia.

College in Texas. Grad school in Pittsburgh (5 yrs), then lived on Cleveland (3), Indianapolis (2) & now Orlando (3yrs).
« Last Edit: August 10, 2011, 10:25:59 PM by Jason Connor »
We discovered that in good company there is no such thing as a bad golf course.  - James Dodson

Bill_McBride

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Re: Southern Pines - the town
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2011, 10:07:05 PM »

I didn't say "great old Ross course," but I'm comfortable with "nice."


The course is plenty nice, I read between the lines and assumed you meant the "club" part ...

The clubhouse will never be confused with the O Club's!

Chris Buie

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Re: Southern Pines - the town
« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2011, 11:12:55 PM »
The original clubhouse (which burned down in 1969) had a certain amount of charm. 



The subsequent clubhouse is a good example of American aesthetics in the 1970's.  It's also a good example of why if if any given town wishes not to turn into a sordid mess then they will have to have committees which monitor such additions to their towns.
Pinehurst is probably one of the most vigilant towns in the country regarding what is allowed to be introduced or modified in the community.  SP is pretty good at it as well - but occasionally things do slip in.  By far the worst example is the downtown Baptist Church - an absolute monstrosity.  Other than that it is essentially a New England village - transplanted southward. 

Carl Johnson

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Re: Southern Pines - the town
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2011, 07:27:41 AM »
Thanks Bill. Didn't realized that's where our fearless leader resides.

Jason, Where do you live now, and where have you lived previously, and for how long?

(My wife and I are Yankees by birth and upbringing, but have lived in North Carolina since 1965.  Although we live in Charlotte, we have a lot of experience in the Pinehurst/Southern Pines area.  It would help me to answer if I knew where you were coming from.)

Thanks Carl. I grew up in a coal mining town of 300 in Maryland's bit of Appalachia.

College in Texas. Grad school in Pittsburgh (5 yrs), then lived on Cleveland (3), Indianapolis (2) & now Orlando (3yrs).


Jason, I will send you a PM (personal message) later today.  Carl