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Mark_Rowlinson

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Re: A few days in Yorkshire: Flamborough Head, Ganton holes 4-11 added
« Reply #25 on: August 05, 2011, 03:00:41 PM »
John, The 6th is played as a par 4 in tournaments such as Walker Cup, and 17th as a par 3. At the recent Walker Cup held here we were spectating at the 17th when Casey Wittenburg (spelling?) duffed his tee shot. He swiped his club into the ground taking out a great divot of teeing ground. 'Put it back!' shouted about 100 people. He did not. It didn't go down well. One of the Americans in the following match saw the incident and put the divot back. He got a good round of applause. (As did the American who played a lovely pitch and run approach to the 1st green on the final afternoon - connoisseurs' golf!).

Mark Pearce

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Re: A few days in Yorkshire: Flamborough Head, Ganton holes 4-11 added
« Reply #26 on: September 03, 2011, 10:54:50 AM »
Brian,

I'm not John but I love GantonM. I don't really consider it a heathland course, though, it's really one of a kind.  In my book (and I haven't played Sunningdale or Walton Heath) it's the best inland course in the country.
In June I will be riding the first three stages of this year's Tour de France route for charity.  630km (394 miles) in three days, with 7800m (25,600 feet) of climbing for the William Wates Memorial Trust (https://rideleloop.org/the-charity/) which supports underprivileged young people.

PCCraig

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Re: A few days in Yorkshire: Flamborough Head, Ganton holes 4-11 added
« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2011, 11:43:24 AM »
John,

Great stuff. Ganton looks awesome.
H.P.S.

Tommy Williamsen

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Re: A few days in Yorkshire: Flamborough Head, Ganton holes 4-11 added
« Reply #28 on: September 06, 2011, 03:12:22 PM »
Thanks for the pictures of Ganton.  I lost mine last year when my computer crashed.  It is an awesome course.  With Woodhall Spa it has some of the most fearsome bunkers in England.
Where there is no love, put love; there you will find love.
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John Mayhugh

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Re: A few days in Yorkshire: Flamborough Head, Ganton holes 4-11 added
« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2011, 10:40:31 PM »
Brian,
Will try to post the remaining Ganton hole pics by the weekend. After the Alwoodley pics, I'll try to post some inadequate thoughts on where those two courses fit with the other inland courses I've played in England.  I'm in agreement with Mark Pearce - wouldn't really call it a heathland as I think the look is quite a bit different.

Tommy,
I don't have nearly as many Ganton pics as I would like thanks to a camera battery issue.  Will be glad to send you a disc with what I have if you want.  Or maybe you should just get back over there? 

Peter Pallotta

Re: A few days in Yorkshire: Flamborough Head, Ganton holes 4-11 added
« Reply #30 on: September 07, 2011, 10:54:23 PM »
My thanks too, John. I must've missed this the first time around. Lovely.

As with most courses I like, the trees at Ganton seem to frame 'vistas' instead of 'golf holes'.  That is so much better in so many ways.

Peter

John Mayhugh

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Re: A few days in Yorkshire: Flamborough Head, Ganton holes 12-15 added
« Reply #31 on: October 25, 2011, 09:30:28 PM »
Finally getting back to this thread.  Ganton deserves more attention than I've given her.


The 12th is 354 yards from the member tees and doglegs right.  The tee shot is somewhat blind and should be played just to the right of the bunker visible in the photo.  You cannot get too aggressive with the dogleg as there are trees creeping in on the right. 



The approach is narrowed a bit in front by a pair of deep bunkers.



The par 5 13th is about 500 yards from the member’s tees and mostly straight.  Rough and gorse in front of the tee hide the landing area a bit.  Bunkers on the right side of the fairway 200 – 250 yards from the tee narrow the landing area. 


An upslope about 240 yards from the tee (280 from the back) can restrain driving distance.


A layup second shot must contend with small bunkers scattered all up the left side of the fairway, though these are not too penal.  More bunkers on the right.


The approach is reasonably open, with the bunker on the right set 15 or 20 yards short of the green.



The 14th is a maddening short par 4.  Only 279 yards from the member tees, there is a deep cross bunker that requires a 220 yard carry.  Avoid it to the right, and you’ll risk a couple of smaller bunkers.  The length of the hole almost demands you try and drive the green.



If you can avoid the bunkers, the green is quite inviting in front.



15 is a 422 yard par 4.  There is a 40+ yard long bunker on the left that is easily carried (no more than 200 yards) on a calm day. Another smaller bunker on the right side opposite.


I played through a group here, so only one photo of the approach & green.  The large bunker on the right is maybe 100 yards short of the green. 


John Mayhugh

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Re: A few days in Yorkshire: Flamborough Head, Ganton completed
« Reply #32 on: November 08, 2011, 11:04:06 PM »
The 16th is 428 yards, with OB down the right side. Trees separate the fairway from OB, though.


This monster bunker is only 150 or so yards to carry. Good thing!


Trees encroach quite a bit along the right side and make this hole feel a bit narrow.


The green has something of a false front and tilts quite a bit from right to left. 



In any long par 3s discussion, the 17th at Ganton should be considered.  Playing 239 yards from the member tees, this one is a beast.  You play across the entrance road (which is OB), and thoughts of a safe layup shot are complicated by bunkering that surrounds the landing area short. 



Short right on a layup shot is pretty much dead.


And missing just right of the green is about as bad.


The dogleg left 18th plays 392 yards and is blind off the tee.  This hole plays back across the entrance road, and if you get very aggressive from the tee the OB road could be in play.







The fairway is wide, but trees on each side really reduce the effective size of the fairway unless you’re good at working the ball on your approach.





The green site is protected by bunkers on each side, though there is still quite a bit of room in the front for a run-up approach.



From off the back of the green, a look at the clubhouse patio. 


Between the clubhouse and the 18th  on the site of the original clubhouse is this enjoyable putting green.



The view from the patio as I enjoyed a gunner, coronation chicken sandwich, and Ganton cake, preparing to go back out.



Ganton is a course that defies easy description.  The bunkering is stunning, and must be considered on pretty much every shot.  It seemed that sometimes the “safe” shot was really not as safe as one that appeared more aggressive.  To be sure, scoring well at Ganton means avoiding the bunkers, but you constantly have to take them on to have a chance to score well.  Sometimes you just need to skirt them, others you must carry.  But you always have to confront them. 

Other than the bunkering, Ganton is relatively subtle.  There are loads of humps and bumps in the fairways, but few huge slopes.  The greens look like a respite from the tough shot making requirements, but they are plenty challenging to putt on.  The routing is quite good, with constant changes in direction and style of the holes. 

My day at Ganton probably inspired a bit more respect than love.  Playing by myself forced me to think too much about score – never a good thing for my skill level.  I think I would have had much more fun seeing it as part of a match, but feel fortunate to have been able to visit there. 

Ganton is certainly worth seeking out, and at only £90 for the day, a great bargain for such a world class course. 

Sean_A

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Re: A few days in Yorkshire: Flamborough Head, Ganton completed
« Reply #33 on: November 09, 2011, 02:11:17 AM »
Tucky

Except for the vegetation, Ganton reminds me a lot of Woodhall Spa - from photos only.  Is this the case?  Again, from pix only, it looks like a course I would respect more than love - very Hoylake and Woodhal Spa.

Ciao 
New plays planned for 2025: Ludlow, Machrihanish Dunes, Dunaverty and Carradale

John Mayhugh

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Re: A few days in Yorkshire: Flamborough Head, Ganton completed
« Reply #34 on: November 09, 2011, 07:56:11 AM »
Sean,
Haven't played Woodhall Spa.  Hopefully I can take care of that sometime next year.

Eric Smith

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Re: A few days in Yorkshire: Flamborough Head, Ganton holes 4-11 added
« Reply #35 on: November 09, 2011, 02:56:35 PM »
John,

Thanks again for the tour of Ganton, as well as Flamborough Head. GCA photo tours are the best, particularly the English ones, which inspire me to imagine being 'anywhere but here' on many many occasions. I've done a few of them (photo tours), so I know how much work they are to bring together and that's probably why I haven't done one in ages!

Anyway, to my question:

Mark writes:
...I love GantonM. I don't really consider it a heathland course, though, it's really one of a kind.  In my book (and I haven't played Sunningdale or Walton Heath) it's the best inland course in the country.

A bold statement, and one I'll pay attention to. The other day, Ran wrote, ..."right at the top of inland British courses could well be Notts." I know you've played them both this year, so I'm curious to know if you felt strongly about one over the other? Any others you've played that should be in the conversation?


Mark_Rowlinson

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Re: A few days in Yorkshire: Flamborough Head, Ganton completed
« Reply #36 on: November 14, 2011, 03:04:16 PM »
I have been lucky enough to play Ganton many times. I remember one occasion, probably 30 years ago. It was summer. There were about three other people on the course. A friend and I were playing down the 7th. We were far enough from the main road for it to be peaceful. A skylark sang overhead. Suddenly our peace was shattered. Four A-10 tankbusters dive-bombed us - without the bombs, of course. But it was terrifying to realise that these things had just appeared from nowhere, rising up over the trees and diving immediately at us. Had we been enemy soldiers there was no escape. But I suppose we would have been camouflaged and not striding down the middle of the fairway (those were the days when we did stride down the middle rather than scrabble about in the rough!).

I know I've said this before, but playing once at Hornsea a few miles east of Ganton, more or less on the coast, I also encountered A-10s, this time attacking a gunnery range just beyond the golf course boundaries with cannons which seemed to fire shells the size of wine bottles. That was an uncomfortable experience, too!


Mark Pearce

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Re: A few days in Yorkshire: Flamborough Head, Ganton completed
« Reply #37 on: November 14, 2011, 04:54:45 PM »
Eric,

Again, I'm not John.  However, Woodall Spa would be in the conversation as, I expect from what others have told me would be Walton Heath and Sunningdale (but, as disclosed above, I haven't played either of the courses at either club).

Sean,

As I try to figure out what it is about the courses we differ on I suspect that you're right, and that you would respect rather than love Ganton.  I love it.
In June I will be riding the first three stages of this year's Tour de France route for charity.  630km (394 miles) in three days, with 7800m (25,600 feet) of climbing for the William Wates Memorial Trust (https://rideleloop.org/the-charity/) which supports underprivileged young people.

Mark_Rowlinson

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Re: A few days in Yorkshire: Flamborough Head, Ganton completed
« Reply #38 on: November 15, 2011, 05:32:53 AM »
A few pictures of Beverley for John.








John Mayhugh

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Re: A few days in Yorkshire: Flamborough Head, Ganton completed
« Reply #39 on: November 15, 2011, 08:01:28 AM »
Mark R,
Very nice.  Thanks.