Bryan,
I can't see a lot of your images from this computer, but did want you to know a few things.
1) You're correct, there is no doubt that the photo was taken from closer to the green than the tee, probably very close to the green on 6. Do you see that dirt road running up the fairway? There was some debate on an email whether it was the sandy path along the left side of today's number 4, or what is today a macadam road along the right side of the 4th fairway running to the clubhouse.
No matter. If you look at the orientation of both those roads you'll see that you almost have to be on the 6th green to view them in the longitudinal direction they are heading.
2) Because I'm presently image-disabled, early in this thread Paul Turner posted a very early picture of PV from behind the #18 tee. Down the right of that photo one could see the high embankment of the railroad bed, which is what I'm thinking is in the background of that photo from the 6th green. If you line up the coordinates that I sent you in a private message, could you see if that makes sense? Also, if you can find Paul's picture here I'd greatly appreciate you re-posting it.
3) I'm thinking that the other photo simply shows the 3rd green across the area of the 4th tee to the ridge of the 6th fairway on the upper right side. If so, the distance from the front-middle of the 3rd green to the trees in the distance is about 75 yards.
If it was mislabelled, and it's a picture from the third tee, which is possible, I guess, the distance to the trees would be about 170 yards.
Hope that helps...thanks.
Tom MacWood,
Again, why in the world would any newspaper report that Crump played "ballsomes" with his friends in Atlantic City during the winter of 1909/10?
And, once again, we're provided with no quotes or context from the supposed numerous hunting accounts. Could it be that Crump mentioned it to Tililnghast and Tillinghast alone? Why in heaven's name would Tillinghast make it up? Was riding a train somehow more adventurous and romantic than ruggedly hunting game back in Teddy Roosevelt's day? Your (and Patrick's) whole case here is absurd and would be thrown out of any court in the land.
Finally, what do you base you assessment of Raynor vs White's architectural styles on? I've played 12 Robert White courses and an equal dozen of Raynor's.
How many of each have you actually seen to make some type of valid comparison of their styles?