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Tim Martin

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Re: Shore Gate (Fream and Dale; Ocean View, NJ): a photo tour (all holes up)
« Reply #25 on: February 29, 2012, 03:25:02 PM »
Why the tree in the left fairway on 16? Is it as obtrusive as it looks in the photo?
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Joe Bausch

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Re: Shore Gate (Fream and Dale; Ocean View, NJ): a photo tour (all holes up)
« Reply #26 on: February 29, 2012, 03:33:03 PM »
Quote from: Tim Martin on February 29, 2012, 03:25:02 PM
Why the tree in the left fairway on 16? Is it as obtrusive as it looks in the photo?

I'm sure it is more obtrusive when fully leaved.  I hit it so hard it might be dead today.  ;)

There is plenty of room to stay away from it right, but that certainly changes your angle into the green.

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Sean_A

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Re: Shore Gate (Fream and Dale; Ocean View, NJ): a photo tour (all holes up)
« Reply #27 on: February 29, 2012, 04:44:28 PM »
Joe

Is this course on a sandy site?

Ciao
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Joe Bausch

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Re: Shore Gate (Fream and Dale; Ocean View, NJ): a photo tour (all holes up)
« Reply #28 on: February 29, 2012, 05:05:35 PM »
Quote from: Sean Arble on February 29, 2012, 04:44:28 PM
Joe

Is this course on a sandy site?

Ciao

Yes, very much so.
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Sean_A

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Re: Shore Gate (Fream and Dale; Ocean View, NJ): a photo tour (all holes up)
« Reply #29 on: February 29, 2012, 05:12:47 PM »
Quote from: Joe Bausch on February 29, 2012, 05:05:35 PM
Quote from: Sean Arble on February 29, 2012, 04:44:28 PM
Joe

Is this course on a sandy site?

Ciao

Yes, very much so.

Well I guess the proliferation of sand makes sense, but I can't get a handle on the placement of of comfortably half the sand.  Is this an attempt at so-called random bunkering?

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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: Shore Gate (Fream and Dale; Ocean View, NJ): a photo tour (all holes up)
« Reply #30 on: February 29, 2012, 07:21:17 PM »
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archie_struthers

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Re: Shore Gate (Fream and Dale; Ocean View, NJ): a photo tour (all holes up)
« Reply #31 on: February 29, 2012, 07:55:08 PM »
 :o 8) ???

Interesting note to Shore Gate as David Dale visited Twisted Dune  right after we opened . He seemed singularly unimpressed . I got the impression he thought it very plain , without enough going on.  Of course when I  played Shore Gate, I thought there was way too much going on lol....I guess it was a wash.

Tom  Doak visited  TD and we walked the whole course together and he asked me  a lot of questions as to what I was  thinking with this or that. Still not sure exactly what he thought but he couldn't have been more polite and inquisitive.  Since then we've had some nice conversations and its nice to see a regular guy have real success in a tough business.







 
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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: Shore Gate (Fream and Dale; Ocean View, NJ): a photo tour (all holes up)
« Reply #32 on: February 29, 2012, 11:02:17 PM »
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Mark McKeever

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Re: Shore Gate (Fream and Dale; Ocean View, NJ): a photo tour (all holes up)
« Reply #33 on: March 01, 2012, 10:23:11 AM »
Quote from: Steve_ Shaffer on February 29, 2012, 11:02:17 PM
Is ShoreGate the "most difficult public course in South Jersey?

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=golf-m/misc/course_reviews/shoregate.htm

I played it from the tips the first time I was out there several years back.  It's a very challenging golf course when you are hitting longer clubs into the greens because hitting the green does not guaruntee pars out there.

Mark
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Mike Hendren

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Re: Shore Gate (Fream and Dale; Ocean View, NJ): a photo tour (all holes up)
« Reply #34 on: March 01, 2012, 01:27:57 PM »
Why do we like this:



but not this:



In my opinion Fream deserves some props for taking risks, even if we can't agree on whether or not they paid off.

Bogey
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archie_struthers

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Re: Shore Gate (Fream and Dale; Ocean View, NJ): a photo tour (all holes up)
« Reply #35 on: March 01, 2012, 01:41:37 PM »
 :o ;) ::)


Nah ...can't go for the bunkers !   On either photo
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John Shimony

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Re: Shore Gate (Fream and Dale; Ocean View, NJ): a photo tour (all holes up)
« Reply #36 on: March 01, 2012, 02:56:57 PM »
I agree with Archie.  The bunkers on the 4th at Hollywood are over done as well.
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Joe Bausch

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Re: Shore Gate (Fream and Dale; Ocean View, NJ): a photo tour (all holes up)
« Reply #37 on: March 02, 2012, 05:49:23 AM »
My entire photo album for Shore Gate is here (1400 pixels wide):

http://www80.homepage.villanova.edu/joseph.bausch/images/albums/ShoreGate/index.html
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Mike Sweeney

Re: Shore Gate (Fream and Dale; Ocean View, NJ): a photo tour (all holes up)
« Reply #38 on: March 02, 2012, 06:40:24 AM »
Bogey,

In general I agree but there are a couple of differences:

1. Hollywood has two holes that are "overbunkered", the 4th and the 12th:



As a result is fits imo at Hollywood. It is not a constant thing like at Shore Gate. The two holes end up being conversation pieces rather than a dominant theme.

2. Public course: This website has a unique bias against public golf courses. Taking risk at private golf is accepted, taking risk at public courses, not so accepted.

3. The Wardian Scale - If Matt says it is tooooooo hard, well there may be something there!
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Joe Bausch

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Re: Shore Gate (Fream and Dale; Ocean View, NJ): a photo tour (all holes up)
« Reply #39 on: December 18, 2019, 04:35:54 PM »
Mike Cirba asked me to bump this old thread.   ;)
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MCirba

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Re: Shore Gate (Fream and Dale; Ocean View, NJ): a photo tour (broken links fixed!)
« Reply #40 on: December 18, 2019, 04:41:12 PM »
You're killing me Smalls.
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Mike Sweeney

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Re: Shore Gate (Fream and Dale; Ocean View, NJ): a photo tour (all holes up)
« Reply #41 on: December 18, 2019, 06:46:50 PM »
Quote from: Mike Sweeney on March 02, 2012, 06:40:24 AM
Bogey,

In general I agree but there are a couple of differences:

1. Hollywood has two holes that are "overbunkered", the 4th and the 12th:






Bogey would love new-old-Hollywood (August 2019):

This is the first hole, but it shows the simplification that Team Doak brought to the project (excluding #17):




This is the 8th hole, now:


Shore Gate will get better!! Roger Rulewich started this trend!!
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Joe Bausch

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Re: Shore Gate (Fream and Dale; Ocean View, NJ): a photo tour (broken links fixed!)
« Reply #42 on: December 18, 2019, 07:00:26 PM »
Good stuff, Mike S!
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archie_struthers

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Re: Shore Gate (Fream and Dale; Ocean View, NJ): a photo tour (broken links fixed!)
« Reply #43 on: December 18, 2019, 11:16:30 PM »
 8) 8) ;D 8) 8)


Most smileys ever! Upon seeing the original Shore Gate reply's came upon one by none other than "Archie". Was about to post the same thing again. Gave me hope that my mind is still addled!
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MCirba

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Re: Shore Gate (Fream and Dale; Ocean View, NJ): a photo tour (broken links fixed!)
« Reply #44 on: December 19, 2019, 02:10:15 PM »
Joe,


Can you break that link again?


My eyes are hurtin'.  :-[
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