Interesting question Jeff. I grew up playing a course that was half Ross (the other half was lost to freeway expansion) and half 1960's architecture. When it came time to build a new 9, the owners demanded a "Championship Course". They got what they wanted, 3 par 4's in excess of 460 yards, 3 in excess of 440 yards. We all knew the old holes were more interesting and fun to play with persimmons and balatas. No mention of Ross was made back then in the 1970's; they tout his lineage a great deal today. So even with 9 holes that could only be classified as a slog, the other 9 kept bringing me back and indeed gave me the bug!