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Sandwich vs. Deal
Noel Freeman:
--- Quote from: Scott Warren on July 18, 2011, 05:56:51 PM ---Tuco,
1. My name's Scott, not Sean.
2. I was advocating driving left on the 2nd at sandwich, not the 2nd at Deal.
--- End quote ---
I know Number 1 mate.. sorry, I was going back and forth with Mr. Arble and screwed that one up leaving in Sean so my apologies.
As per number 2, that explains it.. sorry for the confusion..
Mark Chaplin:
Mike poses a sensible and logical approach;
Here you would compare RSG 1 with RCP 1, RSG 2 with RCP 2, RSG 3 with RCP 14, RSG 4 with RCP 12, RSG 5 with RCP 7, RSG 6 with RCP 4, RSG 7 with RCP 5, RSG 8 with RCP 11, RSG 9 with RCP 9, RSG 10 with RCP 10, RSG 12 with RCP 6, RSG 13 with RCP 13, RSG 14 with RCP 16, RSG 15 with RCP 15, RSG 16 with RCP 8, RSG 17 with RCP 17 and RSG 18 with RCP 18. The tie break hole if required is the non match of RSG11 with RCP 3.
I'd have 2 up Sandwich with Deal winning the tie break but I'm a homer!! 1up, level, 1 down, level, level, level, 1 down, level, 1 up, level, 1 down, level, 1 down, 1 down, level, 1 up, 2 up.
This is all down to preference not architectural merit!!
JNC Lyon:
Okay, so as I have let this thread meander while playing lots of golf in Philly, it seems everyone has determined that Deal wins the 3rd, while Sandwich wins the 4th and 5th. I would agree with all of that. Deal's 3rd is a very cool par five to a fantastic punchbowl green. While Deal's 4th is a very clever par three, Sandwich's 4th is a hole that hearkens back to the club's original reliance on blind shots over dunes and giant cross hazards. Sandwich's 4th also features one of the wildest greens on either course that is also wonderfully strategic. Deal's 5th is a straightforward par five over solid terrain, while I love the quirky Alps feature at Sandwich's 5th.
SANDWICH 1UP
HOLE NUMBER 6:
Sandwich: We know come to the par three that was originally known as the Maiden. The hole first played from the middle of the current 5th fairway, over a giant dune to a blind greensite. Since a routing restructuring, presumably to accommodate championship play, the Maiden is lost. However, the current par three is very good in its own right. This is my favorite of the four par threes: a shorter iron played through the dunes to a long, double plateau green situation between two of the course's largest dunes. The hole is very cozy, the green quite elastic, and the bunkers and terrain around the green create all sorts of recovery options. The 6th at Sandwich is one of the most underrated holes on the golf course.
Deal: We now come to the hole that Sandwich lacks: a truly great short par four. Deal's 6th, stretching 320 from the tips, does not rely on water, bunkers, or out of bounds for challenge. The hole simply makes use of the best terrain on the golf course. The short four doglegs right around a giant dune. From the tee, the golfer has two options: drive left into the rippling fairway, or fire a driver over the dune and towards the flag fluttering alongside the seawall. Of course, the second shot is even more compelling: a short approach to a diabolical shelf green. The green appears to have been created by leveling off a dune, and it falls off dramatically on three sides. Of course, it has all short grass around the green, giving the player a variety of options for approach--and tremendously difficult recovery shots after a miss. My favorite hole at Deal.
JNC Lyon:
Mike Malone,
Before doing the matchplay setup, I was thinking about comparing holes on the basis of length and par. I think it is easier to compare these holes as sets (i.e. Sandwich's long par fours vs. Deal's long par fours), than it is to compare these holes on an individual basis. We still have to monkey around with hole pairings and inequalities in par (for example, Deal has three par threes and three par fives, while Sandwich has four and two). Furthermore, I think it is just more exciting to do a straight-up hole by hole match. After all, the sequence in which holes are presented matters just as much as the individual holes that are there.
JNC Lyon:
Where did all the Dealies go? I hate to call a winner on a hole without some spirited debate.
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