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Sandwich vs. Deal
Mark Bourgeois:
Now Rye's being dragged into this Star Chamber? Dealies should know better than to open a two-front war.
How can Rye 2 and 3 be called indifferent holes? The 3rd green makes lovely use of the ground with the help of an eyebrow. A bang-on match-play hole.
And if one is to engage in a hole v hole comparo, why pit Deal's 9th & 10th with Rye's 10th & 11th ??
Lastly, this schoolboy tourney: if the comparo is between toff tournaments, Google has the President's Putter at 11,200 results v Hewitt's 4,500.
Anyway, wouldn't Category A events like the Lytham Trophy be considered far more important than either? I would hazard Rye's Darwin Salver has a stronger field than the Hewitt.
Mark Chaplin:
I'd second the slow start at Rye the (good) par 3 is sandwiched between two fairly ordinary holes but 4-7 are as good stretch of holes as you'll find anywhere. I'm no fan of 8-11 then the course is very sporty, 17 isn't great but 18 is one of the finest long par 4s I've ever played. Lunch is a world beater!
I'm comfortable with RStG +1 after 5. Me thinks that score will remain at the turn.
Noel Freeman:
If I'm so off, why does Ran Morrissett in his review skip Rye's First 3 holes in his write up? Has Ran gone mad? Is his eye shot? Well maybe b/c his putting stroke is average.
I never said the holes at Rye's start were of poor quality although no one will contest 1 is a "good hole", it reminds me of the 1st at Pulborough, let me get it out of the way so to speak and move on.
Sean, I'd say 4 at Deal is better than 2 at Rye. I'll take 14 over 17 too.. Now the others, I will say are fantastic of course. I'm a huge fan of Rye, but there are indifferent shots followed by indifferent shots in areas, you don't have that at Deal and Sandwich.
I give my opinions without impunity and my bias is straightforward. Deal, Rye, Sandwich, is sort of like Shinnecock, NGLA and Maidstone in debating.
And we haven't even thrown in Littlestone. The 17th could easily challenge as one of the top par 3s among all of the SE England courses.
Marky B- you follow me around like the furries in a shakespearean drama. This isnt a 2 front war, someone brought up Rye and it has been discussed. Ah to hell with all of you, I'm going to play Deal tommorrow so there.. :D
Scott Warren:
Tuco,
1. My name's Scott, not Sean.
2. I was advocating driving left on the 2nd at sandwich, not the 2nd at Deal.
mike_malone:
I'm not sure about comparing courses numerically. It might be better to compare 3's 4's 5's or the best 6/7 holes at each. I find an overall feeling that is affected by the play and the look is best for me. That dune ridge at Rye is just so awesome in its look and play that it really creates a high bar for the other two courses to jump. The quirkiness at Deal just feels more "golfish" than Sandwich. Sandwich suffers because it is a championship course.
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