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Sandwich vs. Deal
Scott Warren:
John:
The Halford Hewitt is an annual week-long matchplay knockout contested by the old boys of the toff schools from around England.
Teams of 7 (or thereabouts) go head to head with the school that wins the most matches advancing to the next round.
There are some jackets there that make RCP's look positively sedate! ;D
Tiger_Bernhardt:
Mark point well made. Noel, I did not follow TOC logic. Deal is a great members course, a great course for all levels of golfers, well located and fun. I do not find a case to change which course is the open championship course and which ones are for qualifiers. That too is a good club to be in. I do not see it as a better course either. I play in a few good neighborhoods which i do not play at the better course but do play at a great course in both cases. The same is true for Deal. I do not think mpcc should be compared to pebble beach as a better championship course. Nor do I think it is a better course. However i think olympic lake is a better championship course than sfgc. But I feel sfgc is the better course.
JNC Lyon:
NOW: Back to the action (Big E, parody my posts as much as want).
Sandwich's 2nd is a solid par four. It really is. However, Deal's 2nd hole is tremendous. The fairway contours are subtle and create timeless options--meaning a player cannot lock down one specific way to play hole after 2 or 3 tries. The green complex is great, and I'm definitely a sucker for front-to-back slopes in greens Therefore, Deal wins the hole to square the match.
ALL SQUARE
HOLE NUMBER THREE
Sandwich: we come to the first of Sandwich's par threes. This is a 210-yard, bunkerless affair. The green is cut into a dune, and it is the player's introduction into the massive dunescape that defines Sandwich's outward nine. The par three is a decent enough hole, with a slippery two-tiered green that forces players to keep the ball below the hole. Yet the hole remains a one-dimensional difficult par four, and it is even more painful considering the hole it replaced: Sandwich's legendary Sahara hole. A difficult, bland, and highly visible long par three replaces a quirky, blind, strategic, beloved short par four? Ouch.
Deal: while the first two holes are a solid start, the 3rd is one of Deal's very first golf holes. Whether you play it as a five or a four, Deal's 3rd is a classic, traveling over rippling terrain that yields all sorts of wild stances, before culminating in a brilliant punchbowl green. The green complex is the thriller here, encouraging the golfer to hit every type of shot imaginable to combat the often dramatic, but sometimes subtle, contours. 3 is a very reasonable proposition here, but so is a 7, which is, of course, ideal. And there is no better feeling than firing a shot into a punchbowl and scrambling over the brow of a hill to find it nestled near the flag.
Tony_Muldoon:
I need to play Sandwich 2 more. I'm left feeling it all adds up to less then and sum of it's admittedly very interesting parts.
The third at RSG is a bit of a brute but the third at Deal is an all world charmer. First of the slam dunk decisions.
Sean_A:
For me, the match is back to all square. Deal's third easily beats down a rather boring 3rd at Sandwich.
Now it will get interesting to match up #4s. I already know the Dealies will go with their 4th, but in truth Deal goes one down at this point and if judged by any objective means should slip to 2 down after 5.
Ciao
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