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Sandwich vs. Deal
Scott Warren:
I'm sure it's a hell of an occasion, Noel, but I'd be curious how many of Great Britain's top 50 amateurs take part in the Hewitt each year?
You were responding to Tiger B's assertion that Deal wasn't a "championship" venue. In what way does the Hewitt add to an argument refuting that? The Hewitt is a great event, but as far as it being a "championship"? I don't see it.
Noel Freeman:
--- Quote from: Scott Warren on July 17, 2011, 07:32:46 PM ---I'm sure it's a hell of an occasion, Noel, but I'd be curious how many of Great Britain's top 50 amateurs take part in the Hewitt each year?
You were responding to Tiger B's assertion that Deal wasn't a "championship" venue. In what way does the Hewitt add to an argument refuting that? The Hewitt is a great event, but as far as it being a "championship"? I don't see it.
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Just was stating it is a spiritual home for competitive golf and one with a history the R&A should love--assuming many R&A members are public school grads. Deal doesnt need to refute its championship bones, 4 Opens awarded, two lost to high tides, the Brabazon, Amateurs (1923,82,2012) etc, it has the stock already as you well know. I'm hoping it photographs well this tuesday as I want to show seawall pix.
I realize my homer-ism is getting out of hand, so I'm not going to retort anymore. I am fond of Tiger B. but Deal is most definitely a championship venue. In all reality, what would work for me is a Walker Cup and getting to walk the fairways with these guys although I must admit, I'd love to see the Senior Open with Watson and Norman out there too. But I do say this, if Troon or Turnberry are worthy venues for the Open Championship, why not Deal?
Scott Warren:
Noel: I agree with you that Tiger is mistaken and Deal is every bit championship-worthy, I guess I just don't see the Hewitt as part of the case behind that.
In any case, returning to the topic at hand, Chappers alleged that the 2nd at Sandwich is similarly flawed as the 9th at Deal.
I disagree that that's the case.
On the 2nd at Sandwich, as I see it, you are rewarded for huging or flying the LHS fairway bunker, as an approach from the left doesn't have to contend with the short bunker that messes with your depth perception from the right. Not to mentioned the swale short right that gobbles up anything under-weighted from that side and feeds the ball 30 yards away.
From the left you have to go over the ridge, but the land short is far more friendly and your depth-perception isn't messed with as it is on the right.
Sure, the view from the two tees is similar and the holes shape the same way, but the crucial difference is that on 2 at Sandwich you're rewarded for taking on the drive bunker and on 9 at Deal you aren't.
I may be wrong. What say others?
Here's an aerial of the 2nd at Sandwich:
And a look up the fairway from the point of view of someone who has bailed out to the right off the tee:
Bill_McBride:
--- Quote from: NFreeman on July 17, 2011, 07:35:43 PM ---
Just was stating it is a spiritual home for competitive golf and one with a history the R&A should love--assuming many R&A members are public school grads. Deal doesnt need to refute its championship bones, 4 Opens awarded, two lost to high tides, the Brabazon, Amateurs (1923,82,2012) etc, it has the stock already as you well know. I'm hoping it photographs well this tuesday as I want to show seawall pix.
I realize my homer-ism is getting out of hand, so I'm not going to retort anymore. I am fond of Tiger B. but Deal is most definitely a championship venue. In all reality, what would work for me is a Walker Cup and getting to walk the fairways with these guys although I must admit, I'd love to see the Senior Open with Watson and Norman out there too. But I do say this, if Troon or Turnberry are worthy venues for the Open Championship, why not Deal?
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One of my Pensacola club mates played in the British Senior Amateur at Deal a few years ago and loved it. Said the weather was miserable but course wonderful.
I don't think anyone has said Deal isn't top shelf, it's as usual a matter of relatives and Ginger vs Mary Ann, chocolate vs vanilla. I for one would be quite happy going back and forth. Not sure what it would take to get the R & A back for the Open. Or if you would want it back.
JNC Lyon:
Some statements before I carry on with the thread:
1) Deal is walkable from the train station, but so is Sandwich. FACT: I walked from Sandwich Station to the golf course, and back. TWICE.
2) I'm hardly trying to promote Deal with this thread. I am just comparing two courses that I played and I love that share a coastline.
3) What the hell is the Hewlett-Packard-Halford-Whatever?
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