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Bill_McBride:
Mark, is it daft to note that any change to the wondrous 16th at Deal should result in death by an unpleasant means for the proposer, seconder and anyone who vote affirmatively?   The other changes are just the usual, adding length.  The change to 16 - making it a par 4 - destroys the inherent strategy of that great hole, one of my favorite par 5s in golf.  

Noel Freeman:

--- Quote from: Mark Chaplin on January 14, 2014, 08:14:21 PM ---Hart - IMHO 16 has too much slope to be a fair long par 4 green, attacking a par 5 you accept a little sport but not on a 4 when a long iron/wood could hit a hard downslope and go straight over the green. RCP's strongest shot is the third to 16. The opposite on 1, I think the fairway is being taken a few yards left.

Scott - I guess 3 years of LFQ. It doesn't really affect the members and tees are cheap to build and maintain.

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Chappers, I don't understand the decision on 16.. If they wanted they could put the tee over the road on #12 and make that a par 5 as well.  I'd rather they play #3 as a long par 4 at 520 downwind then #16 as a 4-- thus changing 12 to a par 5 which makes it more fair since it is a harsh par 4.  #16 should never be changed, ever.

And I can still drive into the cross bunkers on 13 with a hearty NORTHERLY.. Well maybe not!

I like the change to #1 for tournament play.. if there was an open surely the tee would be back even further.. But into the wind that is a tough opener when you now have 6iron or 7 iron rather than wedge for the low markers..

Hopefully I will be making an appearance in late Feb or March.

JNC Lyon:
I have to join the fray on 16.  It's a phenomenal par five--probably one of the two or three best I played in the UK.  Downwind, the green is unlikely to hold a full pitching wedge.  I remember playing it one day when I was there in 2010.  I absolutely crushed a drive downwind, and I had an 8-iron in my hand for the second shot.  All I could think was "how is it humanly possible to hold this shot on the green?"  I got away nicely with my 5.  Making it a four takes away the decision-making aspect on the second shot, and my favorite feature, "the Valley of Inglorious Security," becomes much less of a factor.

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