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Sandwich vs. Deal
Mark Chaplin:
Sean - about 18 months ago I wrote about plans to strengthen the bunkerIng at Deal and your strongly objected, now you think the bunkering is the weakest point. What do you propose? ???
The cross bunkering on 13 is older than us and there for the second shot not the drive. Modern equipment make then reachable with a favourable wind in the summer. No way are they reachable in the winter with no roll, except for the odd ape.
Noel Freeman:
--- Quote from: Mark Chaplin on August 25, 2011, 09:31:23 AM ---Sean - about 18 months ago I wrote about plans to strengthen the bunkerIng at Deal and your strongly objected, now you think the bunkering is the weakest point. What do you propose? ???
The cross bunkering on 13 is older than us and there for the second shot not the drive. Modern equipment make then reachable with a favourable wind in the summer. No way are they reachable in the winter with no roll, except for the odd ape.
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Chappers, I played there with DD and using one of Andrew's old Persimmon drivers (he lent to me) and I will swear to you (it was February) I knocked it in there (as well as on #17) into a strong northerly.. Shocking, ground was near frozen).
I appreciate you calling me an ape! Although some of the guys at the bar we had coffee at last month resembled one!
JNC Lyon:
Okay, Sean, but what's wrong with the bunker scheme on 14? I think the bunkering there is very solid. Since the wind blows from right to left most of the time, players will have to aim at the bunkers and hope the wind will bring the ball back on the green. Of course, there is about 100 yards of room to the left, so the player can avoid these bunkers without a problem. But if a player wants to assure a three and have a chance at a 2, he will have to draw one off the right bunkers into the green.
Sean_A:
--- Quote from: Mark Chaplin on August 25, 2011, 09:31:23 AM ---Sean - about 18 months ago I wrote about plans to strengthen the bunkerIng at Deal and your strongly objected, now you think the bunkering is the weakest point. What do you propose? ???
The cross bunkering on 13 is older than us and there for the second shot not the drive. Modern equipment make then reachable with a favourable wind in the summer. No way are they reachable in the winter with no roll, except for the odd ape.
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I think I was more interested in strategic bunkering rather than strengthening bunkering. We had this conversation before. You fell on the side of Deal having higher championship aspirations and thus the need for more aggressive bunkering.
JNC
I would rather the bunkering on #14 be to the left of the hole and one long right. I certainly wouldn't have a bunker guarding mid green on the right as now as I believe the wind demands more space on this side. Furthermore, its a long shot with a right cross wind. That shot is faced several times on the back nine and I fail to see the need for another.
Ciao
Mark Chaplin:
The first at Deal is being lengthened by 30-40 yards, the second has a new tee for last years Amateur at 430yds, the fifth has a new tee at 602yds, the twelfth is getting a few more yards, thirteen another 40yds so NAF will not be driving into the cross bunkers!! Fifteen is going up to circa 470yds and 16 is being shortened to 497 par 4 and 420 off the member tees.
The old girl will have a little more bite. Sixteen is my only issue as it's a world class short par 5 green not a long par 4 green, not everyone agrees with me though!!
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