Cory Pavin

[Ed Brzezowski]

Well did the ball oscillate or move?  You see it every weekend, well I do in my groups .

Fair or foul???

[Alex Miller]

I feel really bad for him, but to me it was obvious that the ball DID NOT RETURN TO ITS INITIAL POSITION. It moved; though it was hard to notice and could have happened to anyone.

[Howard Riefs]

Video of the incident:
http://www.golfchannel.com/media/golf-central-thursday-feature-3/

The ruling was correct.

As George notoriously said on Seinfeld after getting a massage from a male masseuse: "It moved."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSsTnfqTfPg

[Wayne_Kozun]

The Golf Channel is making a big deal about needing a high definition camera to see the ball move.  That is BS - the ball actually moves at least twice - it moves once when he first address the and then it moves more when he grounds his club just before making the chip.  I watched this on my PC in a fairly small window so what I was watching was not HD and it is very clear that the ball moved.

So to answer your question Ed - it moved on the final grounding of the club and it also may have oscillated or moved on the initial grounding.  That is foul.

[Ed Brzezowski]

Hello Wayne,

I completly agree that it moved, I personally do not get the " it oscillated" thing since it is almost impossible to return to its previous spot when not on firm ground. We have all had putts do this in the wind.

I bet we see alot fewer of these closeups the next few weeks. I believe it happens more than anyone cares to admit.

Ed

[John_Conley]

He handled it very well.

I don't like the selective video policing of the Rules of Golf.  FIFA doesn't allow for replay review of goals because it isn't a standard that can be applied to every sanctioned FIFA match.  Using that logic, video footage of his shot wouldn't matter.  Nobody saw the ball move without the camera.  Not Pavin, not his playing partner, and not a USGA official onsite.  I'm not comfortable with these incidents because of that.  I'd hate to think we have a future where all shots are videotaped and reviewed in a booth in order to ensure a level playing field.

Best of luck to Corey.  It'll be cool if he can win in spite of it.  I don't want to see him finish a shot back.

[Wayne_Kozun]

The way that Corey was addressing the ball it was almost as if he was trying to get the ball to move, especially if he was paying attention after his first grounding.  He grounded the ball twice more, quite close to the club, and if we was watching the ball he should have been able to easily see it with the naked eye.

[Wayne_Kozun]

He handled it very well.

I don't like the selective video policing of the Rules of Golf. 

I agree that Corey handled it very well.  The tours seem to not mind this selective policing but it does seem unfair.  But this is no different than any of the other rules violations caught on TV like the Stadler towel incident that was now 25 years ago at the 1987 Andy Williams Open or the Michelle Wie closer to the hole drop in 2005.

[Carl Nichols]

The way that Corey was addressing the ball it was almost as if he was trying to get the ball to move, especially if he was paying attention after his first grounding.  He grounded the ball twice more, quite close to the club, and if we was watching the ball he should have been able to easily see it with the naked eye.

That's my take as well. 

[Dan Kelly]

He handled it very well.

I don't like the selective video policing of the Rules of Golf. 

I agree that Corey handled it very well.  The tours seem to not mind this selective policing but it does seem unfair.  But this is no different than any of the other rules violations caught on TV like the Stadler towel incident that was now 25 years ago at the 1987 Andy Williams Open or the Michelle Wie closer to the hole drop in 2005.

I don't think the Michelle Wie thing was video policing.

Wasn't it reporter (Michael Bamberger) policing?

[Wayne_Kozun]

I don't think the Michelle Wie thing was video policing.

Wasn't it reporter (Michael Bamberger) policing?

According to the story on ESPN they reviewed the video the next day to make the final determination.  If there was no video of her taking the drop then wouldn't they have to take her word for it, or that of a rules official alongside her?

Michelle Wie, 2005 Samsung World Championship

The situation: In her first pro tournament, Wie took a penalty drop from an unplayable lie in the third round. One day later, a reporter revealed to officials that he believed the drop was illegal because it placed her closer to the hole.

The penalty: After reviewing tape, officials found that Wie had indeed taken an illegal drop.

The result: As the round was already complete and Wie had signed her scorecard, she was disqualified for taking an incorrect score.

[George Pazin]

I don't think the Michelle Wie thing was video policing.

Wasn't it reporter (Michael Bamberger) policing?

According to the story on ESPN they reviewed the video the next day to make the final determination.  If there was no video of her taking the drop then wouldn't they have to take her word for it, or that of a rules official alongside her?

Michelle Wie, 2005 Samsung World Championship

The situation: In her first pro tournament, Wie took a penalty drop from an unplayable lie in the third round. One day later, a reporter revealed to officials that he believed the drop was illegal because it placed her closer to the hole.

The penalty: After reviewing tape, officials found that Wie had indeed taken an illegal drop.

The result: As the round was already complete and Wie had signed her scorecard, she was disqualified for taking an incorrect score.

Been a long time, been a long time, been a long, lonely lonely lonely lonely lonely time...

but my recollection is the official walked out with Bamberger and Bamberger showed him the spot and divot. Still bugs me - not the ruling, but the fact that Bamberger waited. If you're gonna wait until a player could get DQ'd, just shut up. Speak early or not at all.

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Regarding selective enforcement, I call BS. It's not selective enforcement - they enforce it each time they can - it's selective reproduction of the facts. And guess what? All rules incidents are selective in this manner. If no one sees it, other than the player, it goes by; does it make more sense to ignore evidence that is present?

[Dan Kelly]

Been a long time, been a long time, been a long, lonely lonely lonely lonely lonely time...

We're always here for you, George.

[Tim Martin]

Karma has a way of evening things out. Between that porno mustache he sported for all those years and then making the conscious decision to marry the Captainess I think he had it coming.

[Jud_T]

Poetic justice for the whole Jews for Jesus thing.

[Tim Martin]

Poetic justice for the whole Jews for Jesus thing.

 
Jud- He didn`t make the move to Scientology did he?

[PThomas]

Karma has a way of evening things out. Between that porno mustache he sported for all those years and then making the conscious decision to marry the Captainess I think he had it coming.

very good Tim

[Matthew Rose]

Loses by two shots.