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Mike_Cocking

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For better........or worse
« on: December 27, 2011, 03:57:07 PM »
Lots of factors influence the outcome of a design and its ability to stay faithful to the architects vision - especially in the long term.  You only have to study old aerials or photos of the classic courses to understand that!  A great client or committee certainly helps, as does a terrific Superintendent, but after 5, 10, 20, 50 years, roles change, people come and go and your influence in the course set up may diminish (assuming you had any to start with!).

I’m curious to know what % of their work architects feel has steadily improved over time, stays roughly the same or gotten worse. 

I would say 70% of our work has stayed roughly the same (some parts have improved, some diminished), 20% has managed to steadily improve and 10% has deteriorated since opening. 

One of the quickest and most significant changes can occur with mowing - be it a deliberate change to fit the superintendent or greens chairman of the days eye (or game), or the more incremental 'creep' towards play which can occur over time.  Next probably comes vegetation management - or lack of it.

Tom_Doak

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Re: For better........or worse
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2011, 05:03:03 PM »
Mike:

You have to give it a few more years ... these changes are much more noteworthy [or troublesome] twenty years after opening than just five or ten.

Two of my courses are closed entirely, hopefully those represent "deterioration".

There are at least a half dozen others which I think have lost something or other over the years ... a couple by deliberate action on the part of the owners, the rest just slipping away through careless maintenance.  One example would be those "pillars" in the bunkers at St. Andrews Beach; the new owners were surprised to hear they weren't intentional, just small islands in the sand gone horribly wrong after a few years of wind erosion and neglect!

I'll have to think about which courses have gotten better since they opened.  Stonewall is the first one that jumps to mind.

Mark McKeever

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Re: For better........or worse
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2011, 05:09:23 PM »
Tom,

At Stonewall, do you think both courses have gotten better or one more than the other?

Mark
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