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Sean_A

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Re: Golf Architecture by Colin Powell: Lesson One
« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2011, 04:21:02 PM »
I really like that idea. It works towards the idea of not trying to build a course suitable for everyone all the time. If you want to build a course playable for ladies and average men, then do so, and if the scratch players don't like it, let them complain. If you want to build a course in the Pine Valley or Oakmont model, then do it, and who cares if "grandmother" or "Jimmy 16 handicap" can play. But I think that is what the greatest courses share, the lack of ability to really "appeal" to everyone, courses may be great to all or many, but they might not be enjoyable, in a certain sense of the word.

Except for that one and original outlier - TOC.  The concept of building a wonderful course which works for everybody still must percolate in the minds of archies because they know it is possible even if the circumstances which make it so only align once in 300 full moons and even then it may be hard to spot the opportunity. 

BTW - Of all the new courses I have seen pix of my sense is Nuzzo spotted his chance and grabbed it with both hands - Wolf Pointe looks that special.  Of course, we shall never know....

Ciao
New plays planned for 2024: Nothing

SL_Solow

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Re: Golf Architecture by Colin Powell: Lesson One
« Reply #26 on: June 30, 2011, 04:46:23 PM »
Bill;  I agree.  The thrust of my comment was to suggest that it is far more difficult today because of the need to increase the overall length of the course if one wishes to challenge the best golfers without making the course too difficult for the average player.  It also increases the cost of the game because of the need to cultivate more turf.  Additionally, by needing more tees, it further separates the average player from the pro.  Previously, it was not as ridiculous for the reasonable player to play the same tees as the pros and experience the challenge they face.  Now, for many, the pro tees have been extended so far that playing those tees is untenable.  But given the current circumstances, alternate tees are usually the way to go.  Of course you can take the approach of building interesting and challenging courses of reasonable length and ignore the issues caused by the pros but that would make too much sense for most owners.

Carl Rogers

Re: Golf Architecture by Colin Powell: Lesson One
« Reply #27 on: June 30, 2011, 08:42:28 PM »
What often happens in the world of buildings is that the decision makers aare a very weak committee .... all must say 'yes', but if one says 'no' it is stalemate, no one person can get to a 'yes'.

Peter Pallotta

Re: Golf Architecture by Colin Powell: Lesson One
« Reply #28 on: June 30, 2011, 08:52:59 PM »
Sean - thanks for the reminder. I'd forgotten that "The Old Course" is the answer to every gca-related question ever posed. And Wolf Point works darn well too!

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JC Jones

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Re: Golf Architecture by Colin Powell: Lesson One
« Reply #29 on: June 30, 2011, 09:47:02 PM »
Sean - thanks for the reminder. I'd forgotten that "The Old Course" is the answer to every gca-related question ever posed. And Wolf Point works darn well too!

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Absolutely hilarious.
I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

Bill_McBride

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Re: Golf Architecture by Colin Powell: Lesson One
« Reply #30 on: June 30, 2011, 10:05:12 PM »

BTW - Of all the new courses I have seen pix of my sense is Nuzzo spotted his chance and grabbed it with both hands - Wolf Pointe looks that special.  Of course, we shall never know....

Ciao

Why shall we "never know?"