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Richard Choi

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THM Redan! VanderBorght Div - 1st Seed Somerset #2 vs 8th Seed Mountain Lk #11
« on: June 27, 2011, 04:48:45 PM »
THM returns after a short hiatus...

Please vote for your favorite Redan. As usual, you have till end of the week for voting.
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Richard Choi

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Re: THM Redan! VanderBorght Div - 1st Seed Somerset #2 vs 8th Seed Mountain Lk #11
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2011, 04:49:26 PM »
Vander Borght, #1 Seed, Somerset, Hole #2, 175 yards

From Ran... Tillinghast, like Macdonald, tried to make as many annual trips to Great Britain as possible. Like Macdonald, Tillinghast was impressed with the Redan hole at North Berwick. Combined, the two produced the two finest versions of it in the United States. This one is set over land that begs for it. More so than with other Redans, the player pays a significant price for missing the green to the right as this green is pitched severely to the back-left corner. The only shame is that the rear of the green has subsided to such a degree over the years that there are only two real hole locations: front and back-center. While tinkering with one of the great holes in American golf would make many nervous, clubs should be able to recognize a hole in need of a little help. Tillinghast’s own take on Redans was that ‘some of the most interesting holes are those where the best line of the flag is not direct.’ He delivered on this point at the 2nd hole.




« Last Edit: June 28, 2011, 10:55:12 AM by Richard Choi »
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Richard Choi

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Re: THM Redan! VanderBorght Div - 1st Seed Somerset #2 vs 8th Seed Mountain Lk #11
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2011, 04:49:46 PM »
Vander Borght, #8 Seed, Mountain Lake, Hole #11, 182 yards


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Alex Lagowitz

Re: THM Redan! VanderBorght Div - 1st Seed Somerset #2 vs 8th Seed Mountain Lk #11
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2011, 05:34:23 PM »
One of the pics is of Hidden Creek....


On another note, the Somerset redan is so good that it could bring home the crown...absolutely an unbelievable hole
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PCCraig

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Re: THM Redan! VanderBorght Div - 1st Seed Somerset #2 vs 8th Seed Mountain Lk #11
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2011, 05:36:29 PM »
Mountain Lake gets my vote on looks alone.
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Bill Brightly

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Re: THM Redan! VanderBorght Div - 1st Seed Somerset #2 vs 8th Seed Mountain Lk #11
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2011, 05:41:35 PM »
Somerset Hills
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Kalen Braley

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Re: THM Redan! VanderBorght Div - 1st Seed Somerset #2 vs 8th Seed Mountain Lk #11
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2011, 05:51:57 PM »
I appreciate the "out of the boxness" to Mountain Lake", but gotta go with Somerset based on looks and playability.

My vote goes to Somerset as well.

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Richard Choi

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Re: THM Redan! VanderBorght Div - 1st Seed Somerset #2 vs 8th Seed Mountain Lk #11
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2011, 07:07:40 PM »
Quote from: Alex Lagowitz on June 27, 2011, 05:34:23 PM
One of the pics is of Hidden Creek....

Fixed!
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Kalen Braley

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Re: THM Redan! VanderBorght Div - 1st Seed Somerset #2 vs 8th Seed Mountain Lk #11
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2011, 07:24:40 PM »
Quote from: Richard Choi on June 27, 2011, 07:07:40 PM
Quote from: Alex Lagowitz on June 27, 2011, 05:34:23 PM
One of the pics is of Hidden Creek....

Fixed!

Still Broken Rich,

Looks like you removed the wrong link..
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mike_malone

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Re: THM Redan! VanderBorght Div - 1st Seed Somerset #2 vs 8th Seed Mountain Lk #11
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2011, 07:26:14 PM »
SH
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Mark McKeever

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Re: THM Redan! VanderBorght Div - 1st Seed Somerset #2 vs 8th Seed Mountain Lk #11
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2011, 08:35:04 PM »
Somerset Hills is a better golf course, so that gets my vote..

Mark
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Richard Choi

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Re: THM Redan! VanderBorght Div - 1st Seed Somerset #2 vs 8th Seed Mountain Lk #11
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2011, 08:58:12 PM »
Quote from: Kalen Braley on June 27, 2011, 07:24:40 PM
Quote from: Richard Choi on June 27, 2011, 07:07:40 PM
Quote from: Alex Lagowitz on June 27, 2011, 05:34:23 PM
One of the pics is of Hidden Creek....

Fixed!

Still Broken Rich,

Looks like you removed the wrong link..

:) okay which one is the wrong pic?
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Sam Morrow

Re: THM Redan! VanderBorght Div - 1st Seed Somerset #2 vs 8th Seed Mountain Lk #11
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2011, 09:12:15 PM »
That last pic is still Hidden Creek, isn't it?
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Richard Choi

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Re: THM Redan! VanderBorght Div - 1st Seed Somerset #2 vs 8th Seed Mountain Lk #11
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2011, 11:32:15 PM »
No, that is definitely Mountain Lake.
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Mark Saltzman

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Re: THM Redan! VanderBorght Div - 1st Seed Somerset #2 vs 8th Seed Mountain Lk #11
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2011, 11:35:20 PM »
Quote from: Richard Choi on June 27, 2011, 11:32:15 PM
No, that is definitely Mountain Lake.

Yep, I took that picture. It is definitely Mountain Lake.
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Sean_A

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Re: THM Redan! VanderBorght Div - 1st Seed Somerset #2 vs 8th Seed Mountain Lk #11
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2011, 03:29:25 AM »
Hang on, the 4th image on the Somerset section is SH?  It looks to be a totally different hole!  I don't think it fits either course and looks like a C&C style hole.  Is that bad or what?  I look at a photo and of a hole that is meant to be "natural" (I presume) yet I think of only one guy who would have built it.

BTW What happened to North Berwick?

Ciao
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Mike Sweeney

Re: THM Redan! VanderBorght Div - 1st Seed Somerset #2 vs 8th Seed Mountain Lk #11
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2011, 06:35:50 AM »
Richard,

This is Hidden Creek:



Both actually have their flaws, Somerset has too much slope and Mountain Lake is a little too flat on the bottom left side. I would call it a push.

In January, Mountain Lake by a mile.
« Last Edit: June 28, 2011, 06:37:30 AM by Mike Sweeney »
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scott_wood

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Re: THM Redan! VanderBorght Div - 1st Seed Somerset #2 vs 8th Seed Mountain Lk #11
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2011, 09:16:44 AM »
in all deference to Mr Sweeney (who wrote a very very good review of Mt Lake...see In MY Opinion section!!),

1. ML"s redan has a fairly significant elevation drop, whcih, imo, somewhat negates  the "eye appeal" as your shot progesses
(personal prefernce I'm sure...)

2. But, a more substantive detraction is that ML's  front right entrance/approach has a significantly abrupt elevation increase, which makes the option of playing a running shot not only very difficult, but,imo eliminates it as a "viable" option.

ML LOTS of fun to play, but SH get's my vote....... excepting December through March...of course!
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Kalen Braley

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Re: THM Redan! VanderBorght Div - 1st Seed Somerset #2 vs 8th Seed Mountain Lk #11
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2011, 10:20:05 AM »
That last pic cannot be Somerset.  Look in the link text, it even says HC4, short for Hidden Creek #4

This.....



...does not equal this.

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Richard Choi

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Re: THM Redan! VanderBorght Div - 1st Seed Somerset #2 vs 8th Seed Mountain Lk #11
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2011, 10:56:04 AM »
OK, now I get it. The wrong pic was in the Somerset. FIXED!
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Morgan Clawson

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Re: THM Redan! VanderBorght Div - 1st Seed Somerset #2 vs 8th Seed Mountain Lk #11
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2011, 04:30:32 PM »
Somerset.

Love the severe cant of the green.  And the green looks a little more accessible too...
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Lester George

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Re: THM Redan! VanderBorght Div - 1st Seed Somerset #2 vs 8th Seed Mountain Lk #11
« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2011, 02:20:22 PM »
Somerset by a nose, er, shoulder because of it's "shoulder".

Lester
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Jason Baran

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Re: THM Redan! VanderBorght Div - 1st Seed Somerset #2 vs 8th Seed Mountain Lk #11
« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2011, 07:41:21 PM »
Somerset
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Richard Choi

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Re: THM Redan! VanderBorght Div - 1st Seed Somerset #2 vs 8th Seed Mountain Lk #11
« Reply #23 on: July 01, 2011, 10:36:46 AM »
9 to 1 Somerset leads.
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Richard Choi

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Re: THM Redan! VanderBorght Div - 1st Seed Somerset #2 vs 8th Seed Mountain Lk #11
« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2011, 05:23:25 PM »
... and Somerset advances.
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