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Stephen Britton

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RMGC update
« on: June 26, 2011, 02:25:34 PM »
Mike Clayton or Tom Doak,

Do you guys have an update on your progress at RM? Any changes pre Pres Cup? Heard a rumor that several trees from the main paddock have been removed? Also heard the course is in phenomenal shape. How's the fine fescue green surrounds working out? How poa free are the greens these days? Are all the tees on the comp course now couch? If you haven't removed trees yet do you plan to in the future and open up some internal vistas? Are you guys refering to old original aerials of the course when planning your next move? Is the club still addressing safety issues and changing holes in accordance?

Sorry for all the questions, I live in the US now and need my RM fix  ;D

Anything you guys can share would be greatly appreciated.
"The chief object of every golf architect or greenkeeper worth his salt is to imitate the beauties of nature so closely as to make his work indistinguishable from nature itself" Alister MacKenzie...

Tom_Doak

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Re: RMGC update
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2011, 02:37:26 PM »
Stephen:

Actually, I was asked to consult at Royal Melbourne independently of Mike.  I think that stems partly from some issues they had in trying to use an overseas consultant and a local architect/consultant together previously.

It is pretty early to ask your questions, as I just returned from Australia ten days ago, and have not had feedback from the committee to my initial report.

I can report that the West / Composite course is in terrific shape after the re-grassing and all the irrigation supply work they have done over the past two years, and they should be in good shape going into the President's Cup -- although the event will be played in the Australian spring, which is never an easy time for greenkeepers with bermuda / couch fairways.

The only change for the Composite course of note -- and I don't know if it's been reported widely or not -- is that the PGA Tour has decided to substitute the 16th hole of the East course for the 4th East in the makeup of the course.  The tee on #4 East was so far back in the corner that it created a bunch of gallery-flow problems around the previous green and that tee. 

Bill_McBride

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Re: RMGC update
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2011, 04:40:22 PM »
Stephen:

Actually, I was asked to consult at Royal Melbourne independently of Mike.  I think that stems partly from some issues they had in trying to use an overseas consultant and a local architect/consultant together previously.
 

Mackenzie and Russell/Morcom?   That worked out pretty well.

Tom_Doak

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Re: RMGC update
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2011, 08:01:13 PM »
Stephen:

Actually, I was asked to consult at Royal Melbourne independently of Mike.  I think that stems partly from some issues they had in trying to use an overseas consultant and a local architect/consultant together previously.
 

Mackenzie and Russell/Morcom?   That worked out pretty well.

:)   Bill, that's funny.  But that wasn't who I was talking about.  The club had asked Martin Hawtree to use a local firm to help him carry out construction work, and there were some issues about whether they did what they were supposed to, or not.  I think that one of their main reasons for hiring us was my own insistence on being there, when and if there are greens to be rebuilt.  It's not an easy commitment to make when you live 10,000 miles away, but if any course deserves that attention, it's Royal Melbourne.

Bill_McBride

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Re: RMGC update
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2011, 10:26:34 PM »
Stephen:

Actually, I was asked to consult at Royal Melbourne independently of Mike.  I think that stems partly from some issues they had in trying to use an overseas consultant and a local architect/consultant together previously.
 

Mackenzie and Russell/Morcom?   That worked out pretty well.

:)   Bill, that's funny.  But that wasn't who I was talking about.  The club had asked Martin Hawtree to use a local firm to help him carry out construction work, and there were some issues about whether they did what they were supposed to, or not.  I think that one of their main reasons for hiring us was my own insistence on being there, when and if there are greens to be rebuilt.  It's not an easy commitment to make when you live 10,000 miles away, but if any course deserves that attention, it's Royal Melbourne.

My little joke.   How will you and Mike work together?

Andrew Bertram

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Re: RMGC update
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2011, 11:10:26 PM »
Played the west in the annual pro am last Monday and the east in a PGA 4BBB knock out match

There were 60 odd pro's playing and 16 broke 80 around the west!
The greens are excellent, very firm (read rock) and fast add high blustery winds and it was a great challenge. Tee to green very good, the legend has added a club and a half to approach shots with the ball not running as far as in the past.

Fairways very good for what has been a wet and cold Autumn.

Greens were very tues as well as quick, particularly on the 3rd putt!
The fescues around the greens are still a bit soft but far better than in February.

As tough a set up as i recall with pins in tough spots, and that is with about 300 rounds played there.

They have cleared some tee tree between 4W and 16E for a large stand, a new tee has been built on 16E making about 165M (guessing).
They have let the rough grow out on 18W which means you need to take a line further left leaving a longer approach.

To me it looked like 11W green had some slight contour changing on the back right with a bit more of a shelf in the green than used to be there.

Nothing else jumped out as being changed. They have used a machine in the bunkers and even long irons were burying in the bunkers most recently done. Played with the immediate past captain and a member of the greens committee and they expect the bunkers tos ettle well before November.

On the east, which i had not played for about 6 years, i do not the changes are as extreme or dramatic as has been suggested by some. Condition of the paddock holes was better than i expected and enjoyed it very much (5 birdies and eagle will do that)






Michael Taylor

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Re: RMGC update
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2011, 04:59:07 AM »
Andrew,

Can you expand on what you mean by, "They have used a Machine in the bunkers"? What have they done to the bunkers?

Andrew Bertram

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Re: RMGC update
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2011, 05:35:15 AM »
Michael

I have forgotten the actual name of the machine

It is like a sieve of sorts that removes any impurities in the sand. Long term the sand becomes more consistent - the problem short term is that it requires time to settle and the firmness to return - hence the plugging golf balls.
One of my playing partners, a player from the One asia tour, hit 3 hybrid into back right trap with a flat ball flight and it buried deep.

The bunkers will return to firm base over time from what i was told.

On 6W i have to think back a long time from where i saw it so unforgiving - i played 7 iron in to left hand pin, landed over trap and it rolled off back left just short of the rear bunker. I played a soft chip that trickled past the hole and off the green, it is 15 years since i have seen the greens that hard and fast.

I mentioned the 11W green may have changed - when they relaid the greens in the late 80's a lump appeared in the mid part of the green, it appears this has been fixed. I do not remember the green pre 1990 well enough to know if it is the same or not.



 

Kevin Pallier

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Re: RMGC update
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2011, 07:30:40 AM »
On 6W i have to think back a long time from where i saw it so unforgiving - i played 7 iron in to left hand pin, landed over trap and it rolled off back left just short of the rear bunker. I played a soft chip that trickled past the hole and off the green, it is 15 years since i have seen the greens that hard and fast.

Andrew

I would have thought that you of all people would have known with the greens the way they are that long on 6 is a cardinal sin  ;)