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Ronald Montesano

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K Lynch and JNC Lyon had a round at Ironwood a few weeks back and I was able to get out there today to shoot the course. Ironwood is an early 2000s course, about 8 years old. The back nine was built first and was in play for two years before the second nine (now the front) was hewn from the woods above the meadow. The Ripstein family, dairy and crop farmers, had Scott Witter design the course and they then constructed it. Ironwood is one of the most enjoyable places to play and requires a beautiful drive into the Allegheny foothills, southeast of Buffalo. The course runs 6400 and 5900 from the men's tees.

I'm going to post two holes at a time, as Kevin Lynch would kick me arse if I raced through at the breakneck pace that accompanied my Byrncliff thread. If you see a bunch of random junior golfers in the images, understand that I shot the images on the final day of our school's golf camp.

Hole # 1...Par Four...364/336/282...Slight dogleg right, downhill off tee to a rising fairway to a risen green.

# 1 is a gentle opener, requiring no more than driver-short iron to the green. It is the putting surfaces that define the ultimate challenge at Ironwood. They are creative, undulating, large and deceptive. This one is both wide and deep and offers a number of hole locations. If you miss the green, you will be faced with an uneven lie for your recovery.

From tee deck


From 150 yards out from green


From 70 yards out from green, along left rough line


From back of green


Hole #2...Par Three...116/113/106

The second hole seems simple from the tee. A pitch shot to an enormous green appears easy to devour. If you don't stick your tee shot close, you start to consider the length of your putt on this shortish hole. If you miss the green, you ask yourself how in the heck you just missed the broad side of the barn with your golf ball. The greens movement is noticeable, but not so sever that your putting nerves are frayed on just the second hole of the course.

From tee deck


From forward tee deck
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Eric Smith

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Re: Ironwood Golf Course, from the mind of Scott Witter
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2011, 08:22:01 PM »
Already I love two things, no, three things about this golf course, judging from your pics. One - it's Scott Witter's design, I miss his posting on here.

Two- the gravel path that fades into the fairway

Three-looks to be a nice and wide, low profile opener. With a hole like that who needs a range?

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Ironwood Golf Course, from the mind of Scott Witter
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2011, 08:33:11 PM »
It's gravel paths and gravel paths, only. I too, miss Scott's postings. He is an ace who got in when the biz had just enough enticement to get you in. He has a nine-hole addition to Deerwood in North Tonawanda and an 18-hole stand-alone called Arrowhead in Akron, NY. After this thread runs its course, I'll get to work on those.
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Ironwood Golf Course, from the mind of Scott Witter
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2011, 12:56:13 PM »
I have some free time now, so I'll get holes 3 and 4 on thread and let it simmer for a bit.

Hole # 3...Par 5...482/463/369...Blind tee shot to a flat fairway that begins a descent to the green at the 200 yard mark.
From the tee deck


Looking back at tee deck toward tee


From top of hill in drive zone (green is hidden in saddle)


From 150 yard post (green reveals itself beyond swales)


From 80 yards out


Hole # 4...Par 4...380/355/317...Straight from tee to green, although the best angle is from the right, making it play like a dogleg. Right side of fairway brings approach over reeds and water to a green featuring a buried pachyderm.
From the tee


From the beginning of fairway


From just shy of reeds


From rear left of green
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michael damico

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Re: Ironwood Golf Course, from the mind of Scott Witter
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2011, 01:00:40 PM »
Keep em comin' Ron, great photos

Hopefully Scott will find some time to come on here more often than as of late.
"without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible"
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Ironwood Golf Course, from the mind of Scott Witter
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2011, 01:34:41 PM »
It's ironic that you mention the photos, Michael. I was speaking with another GCAer this morning about how hard the course was to photograph and how I did not think that it would come through properly in this two-dimensional medium.
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Peter Pallotta

Re: Ironwood Golf Course, from the mind of Scott Witter
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2011, 03:27:14 PM »
Ron - thanks. Add another voice to those who miss Scott here. He knows and loves the art-craft of gca as well as anyone, but always had time for beginners like me, and was very generous with his thoughts.  I looked up Arrowhead a long while ago, and now Ironwood gives me the same impression, i.e. of sound architectural principles handled with a very light touch, without a lot of fanfare or self-promotion.  If I didn't know it, I wouldn't believe it was the work of someone with so relatively few courses to his name. Different topography of course, but so far Ironwood reminds me in its understatement to many of the wonderful 'tier-two' English courses that Sean profiles.  And I think those/these kinds of courses do more for the game and for the good of the game than anyone realizes.   

Peter
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Ironwood Golf Course, from the mind of Scott Witter
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2011, 03:52:37 PM »
Peter,

It is nice that veterans like you have time for beginners like me! I read your posts from cover to cover with great zeal and usually glean a new vocabule or two from them. GCA has been a red pill for me...once I took it, into the matrix I went. Scott has so much potential as an architect, over any terrain. He has worked with Mark Fine on some restores, one of which I hope to see at the end of June (Copake, a Dev Emmet design in eastern New York.) I will run a thread on that one, too.

I think you'll like the remaining fourteen holes as well. It was always a pleasure to catch Scott off-guard, hard at work, putting down little red flags at Arrowhead, where he thought, check that, KNEW the mowing lines should be. His work with owners couldn't have been more different...Arrowhead's owner is a challenging sort, whereas the Ripsteins at Ironwood are humble folk of the soil.
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Peter Pallotta

Re: Ironwood Golf Course, from the mind of Scott Witter
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2011, 11:08:51 PM »
Ron - that's kind of you to say, especially as I know there's probably very few people around here who have less experience with and insight into architecture (good or bad) than I do.

That story about SW doesn't surprise me -- in my few exchanges with him, he strikes me as someone who genuinely cares and strives for the best the art-craft can aspire to (even on, especially on, modest or low budget sites/projects.)

Peter 

JNC Lyon

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Re: Ironwood Golf Course, from the mind of Scott Witter
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2011, 10:35:28 PM »
Simplify, simplify.  That is definitely the motto of Ironwood.  I thought Ironwood was very fresh.  Sure, it is too "bare-bones" for the typical golf course freak.  However, you have to respect that Scott Witter built a golf course that is easy to maintain and a hell of a lot of fun to play.  THIS is what minimalism is supposed to be.  Minimalism is not frilly-edged bunkers.  Minimalism is not a marketing slogan.  Minimalism is a golf course that follows the lay of the land, relies on a low construction budget, and allows for a low maintenance budget.  It is an ideal model for a cheap public golf course.  The golf world needs, but definitely is not getting, courses like Ironwood.

Let's talk architecture.  The first hole is a pretty straightforward par four, getting the golfer away from the clubhouse smoothly.  The second hole is a tiny par three with no hazards to speak of, minus the slope of the green and the golfer's mind.  It is unusual for a short three because it allows golfers to run the ball onto the green, a feature I would love to see more of in that type of hole.  I, of course, took the opportunity to hit a punch 7-iron rather than hoisting a wedge.

3 is a neat uphill par five, with a blind tee shot and second shot.  Trouble lurks left on the second shot, but the player who can sling a draw into the green will look at a birdie.  4 is a simple but difficult par four from tee to green.  The green itself is elegant, with an elephant buried in its center to provide the lone contour and create all sorts of trouble.

Sidebar: Ironwood is a great example of how limited irrigation, in my mind, leads to a more fun golf course.  The golfer gets to hit all sorts of running shots, and the golf ball finds tons of interesting lies.  The other two courses I have played without irrigation, Monroe Country Club in Orange County, New York and the Addington, have struck me in a similar way.  No irrigation=loads of fun.
"That's why Oscar can't see that!" - Philip E. "Timmy" Thomas

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Ironwood Golf Course, from the mind of Scott Witter
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2011, 10:40:24 PM »
Hole # 5...Par 4.5...457/424/367...A slight dogleg right two-shotter to a slightly elevated fairway landing zone, then downhill to a bunkerless green, sighted on a bluff above a depression.

From tee deck


From 200 yards out...flag is left of golfers


From 150 yards out...green is still slightly hidden from view


From back left of green


Close-up of green from back left


Hole # 6...333/305/291...Another slight left to right dogleg...JNC's favorite hole, the one that led to his bunkerless thread

From tee deck


From 150 out, left side of fairway


From 100 out


JNC's Bunker!


From back left of green


From back center of green
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JNC Lyon

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Re: Ironwood Golf Course, from the mind of Scott Witter
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2011, 10:57:41 PM »
5 is a solid par four.  I love the over-the-rise tee shot, I love the long shot off a downhill lie, and the green is plenty interested.  Although Kevin Lynch launched a high iron shot into the green, I think the best way to approach the 5th is a low approach that bounds through the valley in front of the green.  A very good long four without a single bunker.

6 is my favorite hole on the golf course.  Witter gives you 100 yards of room to the left, yet the green is tucked behind a single, perfectly placed bunker on the right.  The golfer must challenge trees and the boundary line on the right to get the best angle into the green.  I know how a bailout to the left can be problematic, as I fired a wedge approach at a back left pin over the bunker.  It finished 20 yards beyond the green.  This type of hole is SO EASY TO BUILD, high on the playability factor, and a type of hole that has existed since the 18th green at the Old Course was built over an ancient gravesite.  Yet it is a concept seldom used today.
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Peter Pallotta

Re: Ironwood Golf Course, from the mind of Scott Witter
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2011, 11:11:56 PM »
Good stuff gents - and terrific first paragraph on your second the last post, JNC. That description also fits perfectly the 'average English courses' that are, for me, the true benchmark of minimalism. And, ahhh....a bunkerless hole/course on a site that one knows is not naturally sandy is, in short, beautiful!

Peter 

JNC Lyon

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Re: Ironwood Golf Course, from the mind of Scott Witter
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2011, 01:16:19 PM »
Thanks Peter.  I definitely saw a few of those while I was in England--Huntercombe, Addington, and Mill Hill were all classically minimalist layouts in inland Britain.  Huntercombe and Addington, in my mind, are great layouts, but Mill Hill is definitely a second-tier course that thrives on being lay of the land.  Huntercombe has only 13 bunkers, and every single hole manages to be intriguing.  Interestingly, Addington and Mill Hill are both J.F. Abercromby layouts.  Abercromby seems to be the ultimate minimalist architect.

The "fewer bunkers, the better" really resonates with me.  Lots of bunkers can make a great golf course, but most architects do not know how to place a bunker correctly, and, in general, "five bunkers when one will do" seems to be the name of the game for most.
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Ironwood Golf Course, from the mind of Scott Witter
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2011, 10:01:25 PM »
Hole # 7...Par 4...316/287/234...Dogleg right hole as the fairway goes, can be played straight to green over water and two fronting bunkers. Scott Witter's omnipresent risk-reward short par four hole. Inspired by the world's great drivable par fours, this one has all the drama that anyone might need. The green is two-tiered, with a sizable drop from front to back. I wish that it would go a little deeper into the hill above the putting surface, but that's just me.

From the tee deck


From forward tee, directly to green


From center of fairway, 150 yards from green center


From behind green


Hole # 8...Par 3...160/134/100...A well-bunkered short hole with a deep green. Solid, slightly uphill

From forward tee deck


From behind green, bunkers barely visible
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Ronald Montesano

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Hole # 9...Par Five...506/476/426...Essentially a straight hole, although by playing up the right side off the drive, you will have a better angle in on the second shot. If you are laying up, the right side still presents the best angle in to the best green on the front side.

From Tee Deck


From Fairway, about 230 yards out


From right side of fairway, about 140 yards out


From back left of green (note the diverse sectors of the putting surface)


From left side of green


Hole # 10...Par four...348/323/262...Similar to number one (and the original first hole, to boot) in that it starts the second side off with an easy drive. The green once again is bunkerless, yet is set above the fairway enough to allow for fall-offs on all sides.

From tee deck


From fairway, 150 yards out


From back right of green


From right side of green
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Ronald Montesano

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Hole # 11...Par 4...456/420/333...A solid uphill dogleg right. The drive up the right side does not yield any advantage, so the play from the architect is center of fairway and take your medicine with a long or middle iron or hybrid. There is not cutting the corner to the fairway. The green is protected/framed by front/side bunkers and is supported in back by a nice high mound. A true 4.5 from the tips.

From the tee deck


From fairway center, about 150 out


From behind green


Hole # 12...Par 4...397/361/309...A second consecutive right-swinging hole with no real shortcut. You have to play this hole honestly. The difference is, where 11 climber upward, 12 swings down to the green. A nice drive up the middle will probably catch a bit of a slope and add 10 yards; a drive up the right edge will gain an extra 20-30, but a miss right will end up in rough with a downhill lie for the approach.

From Tee Deck


From fairway, in front of tee decks


From fairway center, 150 yards out (the sole bunker becomes visible.)


From behind green
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Ronald Montesano

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Hole # 13...Par 3...149/141/98...An enjoyable pitch over a harmless pond, to a subtle green with more of Witter's characteristic location zones. Framed nicely by gentle mounding and fall-offs. No bunker present, no bunker needed.

From tee deck


From back of green



Hole # 14...Par 5...520/490/430...The only unreachable par five on the course, and the only mistakes on the course. The wide fairway winds so well down the vale, to the low point on the course. The kidney-bean green is completely protected by a wide pond in front and a center-of-bean bunker. The green, in my estimation, is not deep enough to accept any long shot by metal or hybrid. It runs off steeply to the back, toward OB. In other words, you are told that this is a three-shot hole and that is that.

From tee deck


From forward tee deck


From sentinel tree seen in previous photos


From 125 yards out
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Ronald Montesano

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The finishing quartet of holes at Ironwood are as varied as one might hope to have...Uphill, hearty par four; downhill, serpentine par five; downhill, slightly blind par three and uphill, driveable par four. To whet your appetite, have a look at 15 and 16.

Hole # 15...Par 4...395/355/310...An uphill, rightward bender, this one plays even longer from the blues. Reason: the tee deck is not just 40 yards earlier, but at least 40 feet down a high-grade hill from the middle tee. The hole often plays into the wind and heaven forbid the course be wet! No bunkers, just fairway and green.

From the lower tee (trees on right are in rough)


From 200 yards out (green is just left of telephone poll in distance)


From back left of green


Close-Up of green from back left of green



Hole # 16...Par 5...532/506/430...A marvelous hole, in my opinion. The deck determines the angle and the amount of shortcut. The back deck demands a 280 yard carry to go over the right corner; the middle tee requires only 230 or so. the hole double-doglegs, first right, then left. There is a notch 'twixt trees where one can go straight at the green. Miss short or long, however, and you'll likely leave with 6. Play it out to the right side of the fairway and you'll have 100 yards or less, straight down the fairway alley, the length of the putting surface and...oh hell, I'll let the pictures tell the story!

From back tee deck (keep it left of the left white tee marker)


Hole from forward tee deck (this is what you cannot see from the back)


Second shot toward green (notch is from center tree left)


If you miss notch short


From right side of fairway, about 85 yards out
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Peter Pallotta

Ron - thank you again. Man, I am loving this, for all sorts of reasons - the simplicity of presentation for a series of holes so nicely varied is just wonderful. I wish more people were looking at this thread - THIS is the kind of hidden gem worthy of the name (in my books at least). I think in pure golfing terms, I would be just as happy traveling to play Ironweed as I would any dozen of other much more high-profile courses by name architects. If you're talking to Scott, please pass on my sincere compliments and best wishes. 
Peter

Ronald Montesano

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You are welcome, Peter. It's a bittersweet joint for me, as its completion was followed by Scott's discussions with me on a mountain course of his that never got built, due to economic reasons. That was the end of his original builds, which is a shame. As the course matures, it gets more play and we keep pushing it among the GCA. We will host anyone, anytime, at Ironwood and make the trip worth while with trips to other local golf points of interest. I have to find holes 17 and 18 now, as they have disappeared!

The guy who could add a ton to this thread, Kevin Lynch, is slammed with work...he's getting it done in order to free up for the Bethpage Binge we're taking next month. Hopefully he'll have some time to toss out a few pearls before...whatever we are.
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