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Craig_Rokke

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Adjoining Courses With Different Styles
« on: January 27, 2002, 01:57:42 PM »
After seeing the Talking Stick-South pictures Pete G. posted, I regret not having had the chance to play that course when I was at T.S. a few years back.

It's plain to see that C&C were successful in carrying out the directive to construct two courses that are completely different in style. The eroded, rugged look of the North course
hazards may them look like they've been around forever.

The south course salutes that Winged Foot appearance, with
smoother, more rounded edges on the bunkering. Apparently
most of the greens are appropriately elevated.

I'm sure many of the resort golfers the visit Talking Stick
will be slightly disappointed in the lack of "wow factor." Speaking for the North, which I played, the subtleties make the course. It appears that C&C did a commendable job
in providing two distinct courses.

What are other examples of adjoining courses that are stylistically different, but work well together?
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Craig Van Egmond

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Re: Adjoining Courses With Different Styles
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2002, 04:43:38 PM »

I don't know if they work well together necessarily but the two courses at the Reserve outside Portland, Oregon are definately stylistically different.  The Fought course is longer with lots of big bunkers with white sand and large greens, while the Cupp course is shorter, with smaller more undulating greens and with lots of chipping areas around. I liked both, but I would think that most golfers would gravitate towards the Fought course, being the more traditional layout.

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Joe Andriole

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Re: Adjoining Courses With Different Styles
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2002, 05:02:23 PM »
The Grand Cypress Resort utside Orlando has 45 holes of golf.Th North,South and East nines are similar but the 18 hole "New" course is distinctly different as it is an interpretation of TOC.None of these Nicklaus are great but there are plenty of enjoyable holes and some real variety in this flatland.  World Woods 2 courses are supposed to represent 2 entirely different styles but the difference IMHO is more cosmetic than real' though both courses are quite good.  In a different sense  the very fortunate members of Saucon ValleyCC in Bethelehem,PA have 3 wonderful courses each from a different "generation" with a unique personality.
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Joe Andriole

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Re: Adjoining Courses With Different Styles
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2002, 05:04:23 PM »
PS--Greg Norman tried to emulate Fazio"s WW concept at Champions Gate and was even less successful with his National and International courses.
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Solario

Re: Adjoining Courses With Different Styles
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2002, 06:41:01 PM »
Im going to have to agree with JG on Champions Gate that was pretty weak  :(.  Both courses are horrible for the price you have to pay to play.  I like WW though.  I prefer to play the Rolling Oaks course over the Pine Barrens.  
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Stan Dodd

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Re: Adjoining Courses With Different Styles
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2002, 06:46:48 PM »
The two Fazio  courses at Primm Nev. one parkland, :) one desert ;D both in the middle of nowwhere.
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JakaB

Re: Adjoining Courses With Different Styles
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2002, 06:50:22 PM »
Solario,

Why...baby...why do you prefer Rolling Oaks over Pine Barrens.
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John_Conley

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Re: Adjoining Courses With Different Styles
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2002, 07:13:56 PM »
JakaB:

I've lived here since they opened, and can verify that Florida residents are almost perfectly split on the World Woods question.  A lot of average golfers prefer Rolling Oaks because it isn't as severe when  you stray.  A lot of scratch players prefer Rolling Oaks because it is much more straightforward.

Personally?  I'll take Pine Barrens because it affords a lot more decision making.  Don't assume everyone agrees with you and me.
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Rich Goodale (Guest)

Re: Adjoining Courses With Different Styles
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2002, 08:49:58 PM »
Royal Burgress and Bruntsfield in Edinburgh.  The first archetypically parkland--soft plush fairways and greens.  Tree lined fairways.  A routing that rolls over the hillocks.  The second one more heathland in character.  A routing that takes on differing angles and slopes through the hillocks.  Harder and faster.  Browner and shinier.  Some runrig fairways.

One the home of the merchant class of Edinburgh, the other the home of the professionals.  Legendary Muirfield/School Dinner lunches at both.  No great golf at either place, but invitations not to be ignored.
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RJ_Daley

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Re: Adjoining Courses With Different Styles
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2002, 09:09:26 PM »
Lawsonia Woodlands, Joe Lee & Rocky Rocqlemore 9 in 1980ish and 9 in 1994

Lawsonia Links, Langford, 1930

The names of the courses speak for themselves.
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SL_Solow

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Re: Adjoining Courses With Different Styles
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2002, 12:30:05 PM »
The 2 courses at Blackwolf Run in Kohler Wisconsin.  Pete Dye created markedly different courses reflecting the difference in terrain.
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Solario

Re: Adjoining Courses With Different Styles
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2002, 02:05:47 PM »
JakaB-
 
I love playing Pine Barrens.  I just prefer playing Rolling Oaks.  To me it seems to flow better.  I'm a 3 handicap and I dont find the big waste areas to often at Pine Barrens.  PB deserves all the national aclaim it gets.  I feel its still underated in a lot of magazines.  I'm just saying if I were to play WW everyday I'd play Rollings Oaks more often.  Nothing against PB at all, because it is a great course.

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Doug Wright

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Re: Adjoining Courses With Different Styles
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2002, 02:13:08 PM »
I don't know what they've done recently to the Arran course, but Turnberry Ailsa and Arran sure were distictly different when I played them. The Arran paled by comparison big time, much more the heathland course running through heather as I recall and also generally flat and boring.

Do the two Ballybunion courses have distinctly different styles? I suspect so...
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redanman (Guest)

Re: Adjoining Courses With Different Styles
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2002, 02:44:21 PM »
Uhhhhh, does Shinnecock and NGLA count? ? ?  ?
 ::)
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ChipOat

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Re: Adjoining Courses With Different Styles
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2002, 05:38:58 PM »
redanman:

Sure!

2 nominees: Teeth of the Dog and Links courses at Casa de Campo

Also - and this is a stretch, the Upper and Lower Courses at Baltusrol are quite different although it's more because of the terrain than the architecture (both Tillinghast).

Also, Los Angeles CC North & South if you count the South as a "real" golf course.

Next, the 2 courses at Mauna Kea - the original by RTJSr and Palmer's Hapuna layout.  Different architects and VERY different terrain.

Finally, do Spyglass and Cypress count?
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Robert_Walker

Re: Adjoining Courses With Different Styles
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2002, 05:43:16 PM »
ANGC and ACC in GA
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Tim_Weiman

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Re: Adjoining Courses With Different Styles
« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2002, 06:39:40 PM »
Doug Wright:

The two courses at Ballybunion must have different styles.  One is usually busy with golfers while the other is often empty.  That's one reason I play the Cashen more often.
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