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Will Peterson

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I had the chance to play Timuquana CC in Jacksonville last month before they closed for regrassing.  It is a Ross gem, and my favorite course in Florida.  It has the best bermuda surfaces that I have ever played.  Thought I would share some photos.  They were taken on two different visits, last month and last Oct during the FL Mid-Am.








































Carl Rogers

Re: Timuquana CC - Jacksonville, FL - Ross gem with pictures
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2011, 07:27:09 AM »
A good looking playable course .... good scores seem possible only with good shotmaking ... high scores and severe punishment seem readily avoided. 

If the mowing lines could just disappear???

Some more course info, please.

Public Access?
Cost?
Bermuda Greens?

Dean Stokes

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Re: Timuquana CC - Jacksonville, FL - Ross gem with pictures
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2011, 08:47:32 AM »
Will, thank you for these photos.....a course I played several times and always looked forward to playing again....in fact I mentioned on here a few years ago.

I think if this course were in a different location it would get a lot more 'press'.
Living The Dream in The Palm Beaches....golfing, yoga-ing, horsing around and working damn it!!!!!!!

Cliff Hamm

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Re: Timuquana CC - Jacksonville, FL - Ross gem with pictures
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2011, 11:40:15 AM »











A rather comprehensive history of the club from their website: www.timuquana.net/





Club History
Early Years

On May 25, 1921, a group of 50 prominent Jacksonville men met downtown at the Seminole Club to consider the organization of a new country club in Jacksonville, which would be primarily concerned with maintaining outstanding golfing facilities for its members. The charter members accepted the suggestion of Lorenzo A. Wilson to adopt the name "Timuquana," a variation of the name of the Native American Timucuan tribe, which formerly made its home on the banks of the St. Johns River near the site selected for the new Club. The formal organization was completed, under the guidance of William H. Rogers, when the charter was approved on February 12, 1923. By May of that year, there were 185 charter members, and John L. Roe was elected the First President of Timuquana Country Club.

The services of Donald Ross (pictured left), the country's most famous golf architect, were obtained to work with the original Green Committee composed of J. H. Tucker, Jr. and A. C. Ulmer, in designing an 18-hole course through the wilderness of forest and scrub. Soon after completion of the course, Knowlton G. "Snake" Ames and C. E. Van Vleck donated an additional 65 traps to enhance the challenge of the fairways. Later, the Club engaged Robert Trent Jones, noted golf architect, to provide it with a long-range plan for continued improvement, much of which was implemented in the late 1950s.

In addition to developing its golf course, the Club soon grew into a center of many other social and sporting activities. The Clubhouse has been the scene of many happy and distinguished social events. In 1933, two clay tennis courts made a brief appearance on the lower river front terrace, but were shortly abandoned. Although a swimming pool had been proposed from the earliest days of the Club, it was not until after World War II that one was built for and enjoyment of the members and their families.

The first Club dock, for the convenience of yachting members, was constructed in 1929 as a gift from Alfred I. duPont. After 20 years, it became necessary to build a new dock, which was made possible through the enthusiasm of many members, foremost among whom was Leon T. Cheek.

The mid-30's were critical years at Timuquana. All over the country the depression was taking its toll on private country clubs. At one time Timuquana's membership dropped to 51, and the Club was operated without a manager. By 1936, it became obvious that a thorough reorganization of the financial structure of the Club was imperative. Through able and patient guidance the necessary readjustments were accomplished, and the Club has successfully operated ever since under the sound arrangements established at that time.

Growth and Expansion

By the 1950s, it became apparent that the Club had outgrown the original Clubhouse, and that a major project had to be undertaken to provide adequate facilities for the membership. After several years of careful study by many boards and committees, a Permanent Improvement Committee presented a comprehensive plan for rebuilding and remodeling the old building, in addition to making substantial additions. The project was approved at a special meeting of the Founder members in the winter of 1957 and work commenced the following June. Throughout the remainder of the year, the membership patiently endured many inconveniences while construction deprived them of the use of a Clubhouse. Upon completion, the new traditionally Southern-style Clubhouse was opened with a festive two-day reception, beginning December 16, 1958. In 1963, the Club added a new swimming pool, four tennis courts, several service buildings and a new men's lounge.

During the early years of the Club, many professional open tournaments were held at Timuquana, at which all of the outstanding golfers of the time participated, including Bobby Jones, Walter Hagen, Gene Sarazen, Tommy Armour, Leo Diegel, Henry Cotton, Bobby Cruikshanks, Horton Smith, Jock Hutchison and Bob McDonald. For several years the Southern Amateur Championship was played at Timuquana. The last time the Club was host to the Florida State Amateur Tournament was 1928. In 1955, 1966, 1970, 1973 and 1976 the Sectional Qualifying round for the Amateur Championship of the United States Golf Association was held at Timuquana, and the Club has often been host to the Sectional Qualifying round of the USGA Senior Amateur Championship. Beloved golf pro Vic Forman oversaw many of those events during his 43-year career with Timuquana (1925-1968).

Building Legacies

In the 1970s a young pro named Bobby Duval came to Timuquana. Among his best pupils was son David (pictured left, with his father, circa 1980), who grew up playing golf at the Club. By the early 1980s, David became a top youth golfer nationally. He was the U.S. Junior Amateur Champion in 1989 and led Episcopal High School of Jacksonville to a state championship. He then went on to become a four-time All American at Georgia Tech and was the NCAA National Player of the Year in 1993. David spent two years on the Nike Tour and earned his PGA Tour card in 1995. Throughout the late 1990s, he saw great success on the PGA Tour and rose to become the number one ranked professional player in the world by 1999. David won the British Open Championship in 2001 and to-date has 13 victories on the Tour. All Timuquanans remember with pride the March weekend in 1999 when David won at THE PLAYERS Championship in Ponte Vedra Beach, the very same day father Bobby won his first Champions Tours event, the Emerald Coast Classic in Pensacola.

1969 U.S. Amateur Champion and 1971 British Amateur Champion Steve Melnyk is also a long-standing member of Timuquana. Originally from Brunswick, GA, Steve played college golf at the University of Florida, where he was a three-time All-American. He also helped the Gator golf team win its first national title at the 1968 NCAA Division I National Championship. The University of Houston, who had won 10 of the last 12 national titles, led Florida by one stroke going into the final holes when Steve and a teammate each recorded birdies, securing the crown for U.F. Before turning pro, he also had wins at the 1965 Georgia Open, the 1969 Western Amateur and the 1970 Eastern Amateur—and represented the United States in the 1969 and 1971 Walker Cup competitions. Following his career as a player, Steve entered the field of television broadcasting, where he spent time with both ABC Sports and CBS Sports as a golf commentator. Interestingly, Steve Melnyk is the only golf broadcaster to play in and broadcast all four major championships. Steve has a wife and two sons. One of his sons, Dalton, continued the family tradition by playing golf at U.F. before turning pro in 2008.

Renovations and Celebrations

In 1994, a golf course committee was formed to study the current golf course and its usage. Along with professional consultants and direction from Robert L. Weed, this special course advisory committee designed a plan to renovate the golf course. The Club's members approved the plan in December 1995, and construction began in April of 1996. The project was completed in October of the same year, and the new course opened.

Part of the golf course renovation was a historic partnership with the U.S. Navy in which the Club negotiated with the Navy at N.A.S. Jax to include an effluent water program to irrigate the Club's golf course. Final connections were made in the summer of 1997 and the Club began accepting the effluent water in the fall of the same year.

Timuquana celebrated its 75th Anniversary in 1998 with a week-long extravaganza. The Annual Founder's Day Golf Tournament kicked-off the celebration, followed by the Annual Meeting and a formal dinner dance with New York's Alex Donner Orchestra entertaining a sellout crowd of more than 450. Weekend events included a family carnival on the waterfront lawn, a repeat of the 1927 costume golf tournament, the dedication of a new flagpole next to the St. Johns River and fireworks, which marked the event's grand finale.

1998 was also a year for Club improvements, as the Long Range Planning Committee convened to discuss renovation plans for the north end of the Club. The plans called for enlarging the Pow Wow Room and adding a Cocktail Lounge, Fitness Center and a new floating dock system. These plans were passed at the Annual Meeting in March 2000, and on July 5, 2000, construction began. The majority of the work was completed a year later, and was followed by a grand opening celebration on July 7 with more than 900 members in attendance. Work on the new floating dock system was completed in early 2002.

In September 2002, Timuquana hosted the Senior Amateur Championship of the United States Golf Association. After lengthy preparations by club committees and staff, the championship was completed with outstanding success. From the Timuquana Navy that brought our guests from the hotel downtown to the evening dinner—to the final putt by champion Greg Reynolds on a beautiful golf course, compliments and expressions of delight were received.

 
 

 
Homepage Photo Captions:

    Main photo:  Timuquana Clubhouse
    Historical photo at bottom left:  FSGA founder, five-time Florida State Amateur Champion (1914, 1917, 1921, 1922, 1928) and 1950 United States Seniors' Golf Association Champion A.C. (“Al”) Ulmer.
    Historical photo at bottom middle:  Group from the 1930 Tuberculosis Association of Duval County Benefit Tournament (clockwise from top left) Horton Smith, Gene Sarazen, Jack Cawsey, Johnny Farrell, Ned McKenna, Vincent Armstrong, A.C. (“Al”) Ulmer
    Historical photo at bottom right:  Timuquana course architect Donald Ross





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BigEdSC

Re: Timuquana CC - Jacksonville, FL - Ross gem with pictures
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2011, 02:33:10 PM »
I qualified and played in the Mid-Am in October.  It is my favorite course in Jacksonville.  Great, great golf course.  It truly is a classic gem.  Thanks for showing the photos.

David Kelly

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Re: Timuquana CC - Jacksonville, FL - Ross gem with pictures
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2011, 02:53:38 PM »
I had the chance to play Timuquana CC in Jacksonville last month before they closed for regrassing.  It is a Ross gem, and my favorite course in Florida.  It has the best bermuda surfaces that I have ever played. 

Which begs the question, if the playing surface was so good why are they regrassing?

Timuquana has always been one of the few Florida courses that I really wanted to play.

"Whatever in creation exists without my knowledge exists without my consent." - Judge Holden, Blood Meridian.

Will Peterson

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Re: Timuquana CC - Jacksonville, FL - Ross gem with pictures
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2011, 03:45:49 PM »
David - I spoke with the Assistant Pro about the regrassing.  From the conversation, it seemed like something they do every 15 years or so.  Also, it seems like them have some newer strains of grass to use on the areas around the greens.  The conditions are pristine, but if I was to offer a critism it would be the grain in the chipping areas.  The grass around the greens is mown close and offers a variety of recovery shots, but punishes any mistakes harshly.  There is a lot of grain in these areas and it all runs away from the putting surface which takes away the putting option for the most part.  The speed differential between the chipping area into the grain and the green is incredible.  Lots of hybrid putts and 7/8 iron bumps.  I was told they will be using a different grass for 50 yards and in.  It will be able to be cut close and be a bit smoother allowing for the putter to be used more.

Carl - You are correct about the scoring.  The playing corridors are ample although some of the fairways are narrow.  There are many well placed fairway bunkers that create second guessing or uncomfortable tee shots.  The rough is not severe, but is enough to create lots of trouble when off the fairway.  The greens are elevated and surrounded by closely mown areas which make the short game lots of fun, but can also add lots of shots if you're not careful.  The course offers a great variety of holes and you have to hit a lot of different shots.  You never feel overwhelmed on any hole, but big numbers are not hard to find.  The greens are speedy but roll true, and it isn't hard to make putts.  If your putter is off at Timuquana, it will be a long day.

Mark Bourgeois

Re: Timuquana CC - Jacksonville, FL - Ross gem with pictures
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2011, 05:37:53 PM »
Will, thanks for the tour. I'm assuming some pics are not of the playing corridors -- even so, if I were a member I might be praying for lightning.

We are not looking at this green's playing corridor running off in the distance, are we?

Will Peterson

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Re: Timuquana CC - Jacksonville, FL - Ross gem with pictures
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2011, 09:41:55 PM »
Mark - No that is the next tee.  If I remember correctly, the picture is #1 green from taken from the right side of the green looking to the left.  The tee you see is the middle tee for #2 with the back tee just to the right of the green in this picture.  The 2nd is a middle length par 4 that doglegs to the right.  The bunkers are on the outside of the dogleg.  The ideal tee shot is on the right side of the fairway, but if it goes too far right the trees will block you out.  If you bail too much you are in the bunker on the left with a clear shot, but much longer than the right.  Rough guess from trees to trees on 2 is about 75-80 yards and more by the bunkers, but it doesn't play that way.  This is a good example of the second guessing I spoke about.  There is lots of room out there, but there area you want to be in is smaller.  There are some holes with a decent amount of rough in the playing corridor.  If I remember correctly I have hit as little as 8 iron with a good drive down the right and as much as 4 iron with a poor drive on the left.

Patrick_Mucci

Re: Timuquana CC - Jacksonville, FL - Ross gem with pictures
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2011, 10:22:35 PM »
Cliff Hamm,

I was fortunate to play in the 2002 USGA Sr Am at Timuguana.

It's quite a unique setting with the clubhouse on the water and the golf course on the other side of the club house.

The club did an outstanding job in hosting the tournament.
The staff and members and especially Tom Dudley were very nice to my family and me.
When I have the time I'll relate a funny experience that happened to me at JNAS

I met Timaquana's Head Professional, Dan Malizia.  I later ran into Dan at Charles River when I played there as a guest.
Then, he was named Head Professional at Pine Tree.  Shortly after he was hired by Pine Tree I called him and asked him if he was following me around the country.

The course, like Pine Tree and many Florida courses is flat and I think that makes it more difficult in terms of design.
A high water table also creates problems at many Florida courses.

When I have more time I'll continue

I have  
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Bruce Wellmon

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Re: Timuquana CC - Jacksonville, FL - Ross gem with pictures
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2011, 03:20:03 PM »
An article in this week's Sports Illustrated about The Player's and the Hall of Fame quotes David Fay. He describes Timuquana as a "sipping whiskey" course. Michael Bamberger, the author, describes the course as "a Donald Ross time capsule."

I just love that, a sipping whiskey course.

BHoover

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Re: Timuquana CC - Jacksonville, FL - Ross gem with pictures
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2012, 08:51:09 AM »
I'm in Jacksonville this weekend visiting a friend from my old law firm.  One of his friends invited us out to Timuquana yesterday (after seeing the pictures on GCA, I had been begging him to find a way to get us out there).  Unfortunately, we were rained out after 9 holes.  But our host askled us to come out again today to experience the full course.  If the other 9 holes  are similar to the first, I'm going to love it.  The course just seems to bleed the spirit of Ross...and the desciption as a "sipping whiskey course" is spot on.

The club recently re-grassed the greens with a "less-grainy" strain of Bermuda.  The surfaces were fantastic.  Most of the greens are turtlebacks and poorly played shots tend to find their way to the closely mown shipping areas.  It definitely reminds me of North Carolina more than Florida.

Anthony_Nysse

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Re: Timuquana CC - Jacksonville, FL - Ross gem with pictures
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2012, 09:13:42 AM »
Tifeagle greens, celebration fairways, tifgrand approaches. Chis Neffdoes a wonderful job and our golf pro, Dan Maliza worked thee for years and can tell some great stories!
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Apogee Club
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Tom Ferrell

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Re: Timuquana CC - Jacksonville, FL - Ross gem with pictures
« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2012, 05:56:32 PM »
I absolutely LOVE this golf course.  One of the true hidden gems of Southeastern golf.  Fun to play.  Beautiful property.  Great old club tradition.  Do NOT miss the chance to play this golf course.

Steve_Lovett

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Re: Timuquana CC - Jacksonville, FL - Ross gem with pictures
« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2012, 08:13:32 PM »
I'm in Jacksonville this weekend visiting a friend from my old law firm.  One of his friends invited us out to Timuquana yesterday (after seeing the pictures on GCA, I had been begging him to find a way to get us out there).  Unfortunately, we were rained out after 9 holes.  But our host askled us to come out again today to experience the full course.  If the other 9 holes  are similar to the first, I'm going to love it.  The course just seems to bleed the spirit of Ross...and the desciption as a "sipping whiskey course" is spot on.

The club recently re-grassed the greens with a "less-grainy" strain of Bermuda.  The surfaces were fantastic.  Most of the greens are turtlebacks and poorly played shots tend to find their way to the closely mown shipping areas.  It definitely reminds me of North Carolina more than Florida.

Brian - I am sorry you were rained out and hope you made it back to Timuquana to play the entire golf course - and hopefully in good weather!

I've been a member for a few years now - and it is a special place.  As Anthony mentioned, Chris Neff is one of the finest superintendents anywhere, and he oversaw a recent upgrade to the golf course that took place last May through October.  Greens, fairways, and tees were re-grassed, bunkers improved, sand replaced, trees removed, and a few tees modified.  The quality of the golf course is very consistent, and the areas around the greens are more firm and can be maintained at a lower height. 




BHoover

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Re: Timuquana CC - Jacksonville, FL - Ross gem with pictures
« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2012, 11:05:39 PM »
I'm in Jacksonville this weekend visiting a friend from my old law firm.  One of his friends invited us out to Timuquana yesterday (after seeing the pictures on GCA, I had been begging him to find a way to get us out there).  Unfortunately, we were rained out after 9 holes.  But our host askled us to come out again today to experience the full course.  If the other 9 holes  are similar to the first, I'm going to love it.  The course just seems to bleed the spirit of Ross...and the desciption as a "sipping whiskey course" is spot on.

The club recently re-grassed the greens with a "less-grainy" strain of Bermuda.  The surfaces were fantastic.  Most of the greens are turtlebacks and poorly played shots tend to find their way to the closely mown shipping areas.  It definitely reminds me of North Carolina more than Florida.

Brian - I am sorry you were rained out and hope you made it back to Timuquana to play the entire golf course - and hopefully in good weather!

I've been a member for a few years now - and it is a special place.  As Anthony mentioned, Chris Neff is one of the finest superintendents anywhere, and he oversaw a recent upgrade to the golf course that took place last May through October.  Greens, fairways, and tees were re-grassed, bunkers improved, sand replaced, trees removed, and a few tees modified.  The quality of the golf course is very consistent, and the areas around the greens are more firm and can be maintained at a lower height. 

We were able to get out again this past Sunday and the weather was absolutely perfect.  The course was a bit soft after the previous day's rain, but it still played great.  I absolutely LOVED the course and the entire experience I had at the club.  The green complexes and the shaved chipping areas surrounding the greenes were simply spectacular.  I only wish that more courses here in Ohio had the same feature.  I could happily play this place all the time and NEVER get tired of it.

You are very fortunate to be able to call this course as your home course.  I will definitely try to play there again the next time I am in Jacksonville.  I honestly can't say enough great things about the course.

Steve_Lovett

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Re: Timuquana CC - Jacksonville, FL - Ross gem with pictures
« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2012, 11:22:38 PM »
I'm in Jacksonville this weekend visiting a friend from my old law firm.  One of his friends invited us out to Timuquana yesterday (after seeing the pictures on GCA, I had been begging him to find a way to get us out there).  Unfortunately, we were rained out after 9 holes.  But our host askled us to come out again today to experience the full course.  If the other 9 holes  are similar to the first, I'm going to love it.  The course just seems to bleed the spirit of Ross...and the desciption as a "sipping whiskey course" is spot on.

The club recently re-grassed the greens with a "less-grainy" strain of Bermuda.  The surfaces were fantastic.  Most of the greens are turtlebacks and poorly played shots tend to find their way to the closely mown shipping areas.  It definitely reminds me of North Carolina more than Florida.

Brian - I am sorry you were rained out and hope you made it back to Timuquana to play the entire golf course - and hopefully in good weather!

I've been a member for a few years now - and it is a special place.  As Anthony mentioned, Chris Neff is one of the finest superintendents anywhere, and he oversaw a recent upgrade to the golf course that took place last May through October.  Greens, fairways, and tees were re-grassed, bunkers improved, sand replaced, trees removed, and a few tees modified.  The quality of the golf course is very consistent, and the areas around the greens are more firm and can be maintained at a lower height. 

We were able to get out again this past Sunday and the weather was absolutely perfect.  The course was a bit soft after the previous day's rain, but it still played great.  I absolutely LOVED the course and the entire experience I had at the club.  The green complexes and the shaved chipping areas surrounding the greenes were simply spectacular.  I only wish that more courses here in Ohio had the same feature.  I could happily play this place all the time and NEVER get tired of it.

You are very fortunate to be able to call this course as your home course.  I will definitely try to play there again the next time I am in Jacksonville.  I honestly can't say enough great things about the course.

Fantastic, Brian.  I'm glad you had a great day of golf.  Most of the golf course drains very well (especially by Florida standards), even after a heavy rain event.  Thanks to a strong commitment to a comprehensive topdressing program and a very capable superintendent, Timuquana plays faster and firmer than most any golf course in Florida.  A tree and understory clearing program the past many years has done wonders to open the golf course, allowing greater sunlight and air movement, and improving conditions.  As I understand, before it was renovated/restored in 1996 trees encroached very heavily - a few thousand were cleared.  There were jokes that even one or two of the par-3's had become doglegs.

I hope you have the chance to come back to visit the club if/when your travels bring you back to Jacksonville.

Wayne Wiggins, Jr.

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Re: Timuquana CC - Jacksonville, FL - Ross gem with pictures
« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2012, 11:35:55 PM »
I'm in Jacksonville this weekend visiting a friend from my old law firm.  One of his friends invited us out to Timuquana yesterday (after seeing the pictures on GCA, I had been begging him to find a way to get us out there).  Unfortunately, we were rained out after 9 holes.  But our host askled us to come out again today to experience the full course.  If the other 9 holes  are similar to the first, I'm going to love it.  The course just seems to bleed the spirit of Ross...and the desciption as a "sipping whiskey course" is spot on.

The club recently re-grassed the greens with a "less-grainy" strain of Bermuda.  The surfaces were fantastic.  Most of the greens are turtlebacks and poorly played shots tend to find their way to the closely mown shipping areas.  It definitely reminds me of North Carolina more than Florida.

Brian - I am sorry you were rained out and hope you made it back to Timuquana to play the entire golf course - and hopefully in good weather!

I've been a member for a few years now - and it is a special place.  As Anthony mentioned, Chris Neff is one of the finest superintendents anywhere, and he oversaw a recent upgrade to the golf course that took place last May through October.  Greens, fairways, and tees were re-grassed, bunkers improved, sand replaced, trees removed, and a few tees modified.  The quality of the golf course is very consistent, and the areas around the greens are more firm and can be maintained at a lower height. 

Not to thread jack, but how does Timuquana compare to San Jose CC, another D. Ross course in Jacksonville?  Is the land similar?  I know SJCC recently (w/in the past half-dozen yrs) competed a well-respected restoration by Dan Schlegel.  Has Timuquana had any work done it?  Many thanks. 

WW

We were able to get out again this past Sunday and the weather was absolutely perfect.  The course was a bit soft after the previous day's rain, but it still played great.  I absolutely LOVED the course and the entire experience I had at the club.  The green complexes and the shaved chipping areas surrounding the greenes were simply spectacular.  I only wish that more courses here in Ohio had the same feature.  I could happily play this place all the time and NEVER get tired of it.

You are very fortunate to be able to call this course as your home course.  I will definitely try to play there again the next time I am in Jacksonville.  I honestly can't say enough great things about the course.

Fantastic, Brian.  I'm glad you had a great day of golf.  Most of the golf course drains very well (especially by Florida standards), even after a heavy rain event.  Thanks to a strong commitment to a comprehensive topdressing program and a very capable superintendent, Timuquana plays faster and firmer than most any golf course in Florida.  A tree and understory clearing program the past many years has done wonders to open the golf course, allowing greater sunlight and air movement, and improving conditions.  As I understand, before it was renovated/restored in 1996 trees encroached very heavily - a few thousand were cleared.  There were jokes that even one or two of the par-3's had become doglegs.

I hope you have the chance to come back to visit the club if/when your travels bring you back to Jacksonville.

Steve_Lovett

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Re: Timuquana CC - Jacksonville, FL - Ross gem with pictures
« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2012, 07:22:11 AM »
Wayne,

San Jose Country Club is, I believe, a slightly newer club than Timuquana - but still one of the "old" clubs in Jacksonville.  It is in a much different setting and is a much smaller piece of property, within a fairly dense neighborhood of mostly 50's and 60's vintage homes (although there are a few classic spanish colonial style homes in the area that were built around the time of the original clubhouse, which is also a spanish colonial building).  It is nice that the homes are all along the perimeter of the property, so the golf course isn't lined with real estate on both sides as many newer courses in Florida are.

It is my opinion that for golf Timuquana is more highly regarded.  Part of that is probably due to the scale of the property (Timuquana is much more grand in scale), the lack of any housing/public interface with the golf course, and the fact that more of the original "feel" of the Donald Ross character remains in tact.  The clubhouse on the river at Timuquana is a better setting than what can be found at San Jose, although San Jose has a fine clubhouse in their own right. 

The recent renovation at San Jose added a lot of character to the golf course - improved bunkering/placement, and especially to the greens.  Some of them are WILD.  I've played numerous Ross-designed courses, and I found the greens at San Jose out of character with what I would associate with Donald Ross.  It's not to say that they're bad, but the greens are extremely severe, with many having abrupt slopes and multiple distinct tiers.  It's probably one of the most difficult long-putting courses I can think of - and the greens create a lot of the course's defense (it's not an especially difficult course otherwise).

With respect to your question about work done at Timuquana, I believe that the out-take from the club's history earlier in this thread pretty well explains it.  Bobby Weed did a solid renovation/restoration in 1996, and Chris Neff has led the club's continuous improvement since - including the recent regrassing and other work. 




 




BCowan

Re: Timuquana CC - Jacksonville, FL - Ross gem with pictures
« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2017, 11:20:48 AM »
I'm in Jacksonville this weekend visiting a friend from my old law firm.  One of his friends invited us out to Timuquana yesterday (after seeing the pictures on GCA, I had been begging him to find a way to get us out there).  Unfortunately, we were rained out after 9 holes.  But our host askled us to come out again today to experience the full course.  If the other 9 holes  are similar to the first, I'm going to love it.  The course just seems to bleed the spirit of Ross...and the desciption as a "sipping whiskey course" is spot on.

The club recently re-grassed the greens with a "less-grainy" strain of Bermuda.  The surfaces were fantastic.  Most of the greens are turtlebacks and poorly played shots tend to find their way to the closely mown shipping areas.  It definitely reminds me of North Carolina more than Florida.

Brian - I am sorry you were rained out and hope you made it back to Timuquana to play the entire golf course - and hopefully in good weather!

I've been a member for a few years now - and it is a special place.  As Anthony mentioned, Chris Neff is one of the finest superintendents anywhere, and he oversaw a recent upgrade to the golf course that took place last May through October.  Greens, fairways, and tees were re-grassed, bunkers improved, sand replaced, trees removed, and a few tees modified.  The quality of the golf course is very consistent, and the areas around the greens are more firm and can be maintained at a lower height. 

We were able to get out again this past Sunday and the weather was absolutely perfect.  The course was a bit soft after the previous day's rain, but it still played great.  I absolutely LOVED the course and the entire experience I had at the club.  The green complexes and the shaved chipping areas surrounding the greens were simply spectacular.  I only wish that more courses here in Ohio had the same feature.  I could happily play this place all the time and NEVER get tired of it.

You are very fortunate to be able to call this course as your home course.  I will definitely try to play there again the next time I am in Jacksonville.  I honestly can't say enough great things about the course.

Hoover said it perfectly, ''I honestly can't say enough great things about the course.''   I had the chance to play Timuquana in November and I was really impressed.  Par is defended at the green for sure.  Great green complexes with many options around the greens.  This course is yet another piece of proof that one can design a great course on flat ground.  With continued tree removal it will continue to get better.  Timuquana is the best course I've played in Florida, I prefer it over Naples National and Calusa Pines. 

Wish I could of played Ponce De Leon before it closed.  Palatka is an hr from Tim and would make a great add on round. 

Tim Martin

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Re: Timuquana CC - Jacksonville, FL - Ross gem with pictures New
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2017, 01:12:41 PM »
Ross was indeed masterful at defending par at the greens/surrounds. I am often reminded of Wampanoag CC in my home town which tips out at 6600 yds. Many think that it's there for the taking at that yardage but when all is said and done the common refrain is "the greens got me."
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