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Matthew Sander

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Southern Dunes in Maricopa, AZ (with Pics)
« on: May 10, 2011, 11:53:44 PM »
Southern Dunes in Maricopa, AZ is a course that has been discussed some here. There have been a few threads with photos and descriptions, but everyone seems to love pics, so I thought I'd throw a few at you.

SD was designed by Schmidt and Curley in a collaboration with Fred Couples. What stood out to me was the cozy routing on a relatively flat piece of land. It is very walkable, and while the course is not spread over an exceptionally large site, there didn't seem to be any areas that seemed cramped. I felt the strengths of the course were the par 3s and short 4s. That is not to say the other 4s and 5s were weak, in fact I think the group of par 5s competes with any other AZ course I've played.

I believe this year was the first year they've done a complete overseed, so you'll see mostly green in these pics. I know in the past they've done the bare minimum, so there was much more brown. We played at the end of March, so the course was beginning the transition between grasses.

Here are some pics and a few comments...

From the tee on the par 4 first hole. You can attempt to carry the right hand bunker to leave a short wedge to the green.



The second is an interesting short 4 with several options off of the tee. Any club from a middle iron to driver can be used. The green has a considerable amount of movement.

 
A couple of views of the approach over the large diagonal cross bunker.



Side view of the green.


If you miss the green to the right on the par 5 third, you'll leave yourself a pitch over this bunker.


From the tee at the well defended par 3 4th.


The 4th green has plenty of internal contour. Many of the holes defended par around the green with awkward pitch shots to greens with difficult slopes.


The 6th is another really good par 3. It is a middle or long iron to a semi blind green. The front middle bunker is actually recessed 20-30 yards short of the green for a little bit of illusion. Also, the visible slope on the right hand side of the green can be used to feed balls to middle or left hand hole locations.


This view shows the kidney shaped green with a swale that makes pitches to the back middle and left pin positions difficult.


An aggressive line over the bunker or small tree on the right side can leave an opportunity to go for the green in two at the par 5 7th.



The approach at the par 4 9th.


Another interesting par 3, the 11th features a v shaped green where the back right and back left portions run away from the tee.


A look back at the par 5 13th.


The short par 4 14th was difficult to decipher from the tee. For longer players it could be reachable, or you could layup with as little as 7 iron. You could also hit a fairway wood over the bunkers left and leave a little flip wedge to the green.


Here are a couple of shots of greenside bunkers at Southern Dunes. The bunkering is eye catching, unique, and plentiful.



I felt the 15th was probably the best long par 4 on the course. From the tee you could attempt to turn it over between the left hand and middle bunkers. There is also fairway to the right of the middle bunker if you wish to bail out. However, going right leaves a much longer approach.



The 16th is an "S" shaped par 5 laced with bunkers from tee to green.



When attacking this back pin position there is actually a sideboard on the left hand side that you can use to get near the hole. The back portion of the geen also slopes away so a shot behind the hole leaves an uphill putt.



The tee shot at the par 3 17th is obscured by the sandy mound. There is actually ample bail out room to the left that leaves a reasonable pitch to the green, but all you see from the tee is trouble.


The par 4 18th from the tee and fairway. I found the 9th and 18th the least inspiring holes on the course. 18 is the only hole with a water hazard in play on the approach and it feels a little out of place considering the rest of the course.



A shot of the clubhouse.


I found SD to be a very playable and walkable layout. There is room off of the tee, but many holes provide decisions that usually result in shortening the hole rather than opening up a playing angle. As I stated before, par is primarily defended around the green with bunkering and green countours that make for difficult up and downs.

I believe the ownership of Southern Dunes has changed hands several times. It is currently managed by Troon golf, but is owned by the Ak-Chin Indian community and is associated with their local casino.




« Last Edit: May 11, 2011, 12:03:15 AM by Matthew Sander »

Jason Topp

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Re: Southern Dunes in Maricopa, AZ (with Pics)
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2011, 01:24:13 AM »
Thanks Matt.  I really enjoyed the course on my one visit with Tom Yost.  It reminded me of Smyers' course near Orlando without the housing. 


One thing that I think about with that course is whether so many bunkers were necessary.  It must be a task to maintain all of them.

Matthew Sander

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Re: Southern Dunes in Maricopa, AZ (with Pics)
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2011, 12:20:40 PM »
Jason,

You make a good point regarding the number of bunkers. While they are very eye-catching, they could be considered excessive in some places (see picture of hole #14). In several instances there are multiple bunkers where an individual bunker would be adequate.

I think we may need to consider the original plan for the course as well. It was not conceived as the daily fee course it is now. If I'm not mistaken, SD was intended to be a private golf club aimed at the better player. I believe they had several tour pros among their early members to create some buzz. They probably wanted some eye candy on an otherwise nondescript site as well to attract the initial membership (speculation alert ;D).

As we've seen though, their initial model didn't work out and now it has changed ownership several times as a public course. As I said in the initial post, the course is currently owned by the Ak-Chin Indian community and it is run by Troon Golf...
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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: Southern Dunes in Maricopa, AZ (with Pics)
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2011, 12:28:51 PM »
I know locals who won't play there because of "too many bunkers." 
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Matthew Petersen

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Re: Southern Dunes in Maricopa, AZ (with Pics)
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2011, 12:35:36 PM »
Jason,

You make a good point regarding the number of bunkers. While they are very eye-catching, they could be considered excessive in some places (see picture of hole #14). In several instances there are multiple bunkers where an individual bunker would be adequate.

I think we may need to consider the original plan for the course as well. It was not conceived as the daily fee course it is now. If I'm not mistaken, SD was intended to be a private golf club aimed at the better player. I believe they had several tour pros among their early members to create some buzz. They probably wanted some eye candy on an otherwise nondescript site as well to attract the initial membership (speculation alert ;D).

As we've seen though, their initial model didn't work out and now it has changed ownership several times as a public course. As I said in the initial post, the course is currently owned by the Ak-Chin Indian community and it is run by Troon Golf...

Yes, it was originally a men-only club and definitely aimed at the better player. Just step back to the tips on a breezy day and you'll get the full sense of that!

I like every hole out there except for the 18th, which I agree is out of place. The drive is nice enough, but the water on the second shot just feels forced. I like the ninth, though, which has a nice second shot over a swale to a green you can go at in a number of ways.

The photos really flatten the course out, it seems to me. It's a flat property (just check out all the farmland surrounding it for confirmation of that) but S-C built up some significant mounds, mostly to good effect. There are a few places where the mounds seem to be there merely for containment or framing, but in many places they have bunkers and create blindness which adds interest to even lay-up shots. I think the drive on #2 is one of the best examples of this. A really, really long golfer (with a breeze at his back) could take a rip at that green. But really most players will be playing down the fairway. the bunkered large mound that cuts in from the left makes it feel like something much more than just a layup preceding a wedge approach, however--even though for most players even that mound shouldn't really be in play. It just adds visual interest and uncertainty, or forces you to play closer to the bunker down the right than you'd otherwise prefer.

I'm a big fan of this course.

Doug Wright

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Re: Southern Dunes in Maricopa, AZ (with Pics)
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2011, 11:49:18 PM »
Agreed Southern Dunes is a very solid course that is enjoyable to play. A lot of really fine golf holes. The short par 4s are fun and the par 5s are excellent. A good option and worth the drive if you're in the Valley of the Sun. 
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Rob Rigg

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Re: Southern Dunes in Maricopa, AZ (with Pics)
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2011, 02:50:08 AM »
Played SD for the first time last week - what a great track!

Really easy to walk, not a lot of elevation change but undulating with some interesting movement.

The thing that got me about the bunkers was that there seemed to be 3 types - the modern "frilly" bunker found on Doak/C&C courses (generalizing), the Rees like cape bunker and the meteorite bunker (where it looks like something feel from space in a circle and then filled with sand).

I think the course would have tied together better with less sand and more uniform bunker shapes.

Overall though, I wish the course wasn't as far from Scottsdale as it is because I would be up
 for playing it all the time.

Thanks for the photos!

The greens last week were close to perfect as well - great speed - and some interest - not over the top but they made you think.