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Ryan Hillenbrand

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NormandieFore!
« on: October 15, 2018, 06:17:00 PM »

Efforts are underway to restore Normandie Golf Club in St. Louis, a 1901 Foulis course often labeled as the oldest public golf course west of the Mississippi. The goal is to renovate this golf course in an economically disadvantage area, and build learning centers and community centers for the youth, in partnership with the local college and high school, and private corporations. Similar to East Lake, but a public course and not the real estate component.

You can read more below.  They have projected $5-7 million on the course alone, which sounds very high to me. They need serious drainage and runoff management, greens are in bad shape, and I'm sure the irrigation system is bad. But I would think something special could be done for much less. Or maybe I'm crazy. I see what Cedar Rapids did for less than $1 million and I thought we could get by in the couple million range. But I'm not an architect or builder.

Personally I'd love to see a walking only course with a robust caddie program

If anyone has insight to similar projects and ideas, I'd appreciate it. And if you'd like to get involved or learn more let me know.


https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/group-unveils-million-plan-to-rebuild-normandie-golf-club-in/article_187d0e9f-a34d-5081-812a-bfe9dcad968c.html


Tom_Doak

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Re: NormandieFore!
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2018, 06:20:06 PM »
Insight:  the consultants come out with more expensive plans when there is money on the table.

PThomas

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Re: NormandieFore!
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2018, 08:31:07 PM »
This is the kind of work the USGA should spend some of its millions on
199 played, only Augusta National left to play!

Ryan Hillenbrand

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Re: NormandieFore!
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2018, 10:46:49 AM »
Insight:  the consultants come out with more expensive plans when there is money on the table.

Thanks Tom. I figured putting $5-7 million out there would make it easy to find a way to spend that much.

How much was the publicized amount to build Common Ground?

Kye Goalby

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Re: NormandieFore!
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2018, 07:48:23 PM »
Ryan,


 I read the article and didn’t see the 5 to 7 million $  figure for the golf course,   but regardless renovating Normandie will take a lot of money.  Ideally you could just go in a do some agronomic improvements and jumpstart the place,  but that’s not the situation there.   To address all the needed updates  at Normandie, which as you likely know,  has  not had any  real capital improvements in decades,  you get a fairly big number.  When you add up the items they need to  to address:  irrigation system, irrigation lake - for a water supply that isn’t expensive  city water,  drainage, refurbished  greens, new tees,  updated fairway and rough grass,  dead tree removal, strategic and agronomic tree removal, old deteriorated  cart path removal, new cart paths where needed, some bridges,  a maintenance facility, maintenace equipment,  course grow in, some type of clubhouse update, parking, etc etc.  it can, unfortunately,  get more expensive than you would imagine pretty quickly.   If only  north St. Louis was a sandbelt...
« Last Edit: October 16, 2018, 08:16:17 PM by kyegoalby »

Ryan Hillenbrand

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Re: NormandieFore!
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2018, 09:46:14 PM »
Thanks Kye. The figure was included in the presentation as part of the overall fundraising goal of $20 million

Steve Pozaric

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Re: NormandieFore!
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2018, 01:49:26 PM »
Good news for St Louis public golf.  Haven’t played it in years but enjoyed it.


As Kyle said, it can get very expensive very quickly when talking new irrigation system and greens.
Steve Pozaric

Steve Greif

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Re: NormandieFore!
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2018, 12:21:12 AM »
Ryan,


I was in St Louis this past two weekends played Glen Echo another Foulis course.   Was intimately involved in the Cedar Rapids restoration - would love to see your course the next time I am in St. Louis in mid december

Tom_Doak

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Re: NormandieFore!
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2018, 07:45:26 AM »
CommonGround was $4 million, including new routing, new greens and tees and bunkers, new irrigation system and new irrigation pond.  But that was ten years ago, so with inflation it might be $5m today.  We also didn't have much tree work, which can be expensive.

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