[Lou_Duran]

I don't have a problem with clubs that require taking caddies at whatever price, "fair market" or otherwise.  If it were truly a free market then memberships would be auctioned on Stubhub...they are not generally (yet)...  If this is the structure of the club, then this is part of the cost of joining.  If you think it's too expensive/round for your taste/wallet when you factor in the caddy fees, don't join.  What I do have a problem with are clubs that require taking caddies, but will generally not be able to honor a request for a single...

What if you were already a member of a club and either management unilaterally (non-equity club) or a faction of members who garnered a simple majority vote decided to impose mandatory caddies?  I had this happen to me, though it was mandatory riding carts during "premium" times (weekend and holidays before noon).  Ruined the club, in my opinion.

I don't know Mr. Kmetz, but his comments suggest the frame of mind and worldview which would not make me comfortable as a buyer of the services he provides.  It is not a matter of being rich or poor.  Golfers come from all stratas of income, education, culture, etc.  For me it has to do with being able to carry my own clubs and making my own decisions, value, and having a somewhat relaxing experience on the course.  I doubt that even if I had Trump or Buffett type change that I'd feel different about it.  No doubt that I am not the kind of member many of the top 100 clubs wish to attract.  Fortunately, there is no shortage of places that will have me which, for the most part, don't require me to do what I don't want to do.

As to developing young people, the best anyone can do is start a business and create jobs.  There is no match in terms of generating satisfaction and self-esteem than the opportunity to make a good living and succeed.  Pursuing a fulfilling career as a caddie might be even more difficult than trying to earn a living playing golf.  A very small % do it.

 

[Jud_T]

Lou,

The unfortunate situation you refer to seems to me comparable to getting hit with a very large assessment out of the blue.  One needs to take these things into consideration when deciding whether to continue membership at such a juncture.  As for having the option to not take a caddy, unfortunately once that option is given you can stick a fork in the caddy program as all but a few will take carts or pull/carry...

[Lou_Duran]

Jud,

Assessments are part and parcel of equity clubs.  As my post on the initiation vs. dues thread notes, I was not aware that one could not just simply walk away from the obilgations of such a contract by simply renouncing the membership.  It makes sense that one can't, but this, in my opinion, just pushes the fork deeper into this type of membership.

Like with all other policies, if a club requires mandatory riding or caddies at certain times, it is something a prospective member should consider prior to writing the check.  My issue is with changes to important policies, either democratically or not, which changes the nature of the playing experience considerably after the fact.  Perhaps grandfathering existing members is a good way.

IMO, it is a much simpler, better world if we agree to pay for our personal preferences at whatever the going rate is.  If we can't, then we might work a bit harder to be able to do so, or, maybe, modify them instead of requiring others to subsidise them.  If a good caddie like a good investment banker or lawyer provides value, he should not have trouble getting work.  Not so for carts.  

[Jud_T]

Shivas,

Excellent point, but I think it's all part and parcel of the larger picture of full service country clubs versus minimalist golf clubs.  Required caddies at large fees are part and parcel of the whole nut which is getting harder and harder to swallow for many.  Perhaps you're right, just cut the cord and when guys are griping about no caddies being available get some of the neighborhood kids for $30 a single...Hey I'm all for union busting! 

[Bill Hyde]

In my experience, there are two tiers of clubs when it comes to the caddie scene. The elite clubs in the country where it is assumed that the freight is $80/bag minimum - and the rest of the clubs with mandatory caddie policies where pay is more often based on member habit. At my club, there are various levels of caddies...from kids who are two hairs into adulthood, to the lifer crew. However, the pay at my place is member-driven and ranges anywhere from $30-$35 (usually the amount paid by old guys/ladies) who circle the middle tip ($15 or 20) range on the caddie card, to $60-$80 paid by guys like me who play money games on Saturdays and Sundays. I kinda like being able to decide for myself what a caddie gets...generally less for greenhorn kids and more for good veterans, however the bad side to that situation is that a lot of good caddies get screwed by cheap members who have been paying the same rate since 1986. I tried to suggest in a golf committee meeting that we raise the tip levels on our caddie sheets to help the guys out. It was not well received. I guess the point I am trying to make is that it is market driven almost everywhere except at major metro, higher-end clubs. Maybe that's why all the best caddies I have had in my experience have been at one of those places - and I am happy to shell out the $80 every time.

[Tim Martin]

Every club wants a healthy caddie program. And I'm sure that pretty much every club around would gladly drop the mandatory caddie rule if they knew with 100% certainty that they'd have a healthy and vibrant program.

When I started caddying, despite the fact that I was made an instant Honor caddie because the pro knew I knew what I was doing, my first caddie badge was something like #382 or so (realistically, under their system, that means there were about 330 registered caddies at an 18 hole club). The shack was full of kids.  Maybe a couple college age guys. No grown ups at all. Not one.  Now they all didn't show up all the time, but on any given day, there were always 50-100 there and more on big days. They had a draw, and if you got a lousy number, you'd just go home.

What happened to all the kid?  Fast forward 30 years, and shacks have 50 guys if you're lucky and they all double and they're all high school age, college age, or grown men! I understand the romance of caddying, but the romance is premised on the fact that the caddies are kids who can learn something about golf and life from the members, not grown men who see caddying as an easy way to score better cash than they could get at the best "real job" for which they are qualified.  

Honestly, the difference is night and day, so why are we supporting THAT?

 
  

Shivas-I have heard you opine before that caddying is not a job for grown men and that it is some sort of easy way out instead of getting a "real job". Let me know the next time you are going to be in the Northeast and I`ll arrange for you to meet some of these guys you like to refer to as lazy at Hartford Golf Club who might hustle to get out three times a day to feed their families and who have been an integral part of the club for upwards of 30 years. Hard to believe that you are the judge and jury as to who qualifies to be in the caddie ranks. Not everyone travels the same path in this life so have some compassion.

[V. Kmetz]

Shivas,

We do agree on some things:

I DO hate slackers of all ages and I hate the foolish miscreants who are there for a dodge and a quick buck that's gone for vice and entertainments the moment it crosses their palms.  Where I do most of my work now is a course I first worked 28 years ago and it IS 60% shitheads who can't even bring a proper towel to work.  Because I'm in the VK business first and foremost, it worries me not a notch, because it only increases my pay rate by comparison.

I DO agree that a man's money is his to evaluate and spend but that $1500 that I'm talking about is $1500 is on top of or in the middle of (what has been) a 60-120K initiation, and between a 20-35K "soup to nuts" yearly nut to belong to a club.  Why is that club boards allow $10-12 to be charged for a hamburger, $3.00 for ice tea, and underwrite the golf professional's markup of 2-300%, but this extra $1500 - IF you play 40 rounds with a caddie at your club - is what is compromised and the tipping point of things for one's own decision?

This last portion however brings me to that which we essential disagree:

Institutional Memory:  In 1988, the rate in these parts was 20 bucks per bag, it is now 70-80, with some clubs still at $60, some at 65 and some other clubs at 50, I know three where the caddies get 100 per bag.  Though populated with members I like, those three places suck...to keep it at a GCA pitch, their courses are two Fazios and a Gary Player.  anyways, so even if we say $30 then and $80 now...have you been to a grocery store lately, a gas pump, a home Depot, a ball game, paid a cable or electric bill, paid tution?  It is not 1988 any longer - the 150% difference in pay you cite has no where near kept up with the prices of the things, even the kids want, no less the lifers...I recently finished my undergrad degree at age 40 at the same school i had stopped attending 19 years ago.  I paid $846 in state tuition and fees then (1992) and $4600 a year ago...my grad school bill is $5700 a semester.  a first row box seat at Yankee stadium cost 32.00 then, it is hundreds...per game now.  the upper deck $5.00...it is $25.00 now.  chopped meat was 89 cents...3.29 today...gas?  98 cents in summer of 1990...first gulf war went to 1.09 by end of Bush I term, $1.23....6 years later it was only 1.48...6 more years later 2004 = 1.78...now what do you have? - even allowing for the fact it was $2.60 not three months ago.  Caddies have been a bargain by comparison to the other costs on a mere percentage...OR gross basis.

My last generalization about the cretans...no, WF has - to my knowledge no people like that - the WF membership is absolutely aces, fast players, nice guys, not aloof, a real golf club where enjoyment of the marvelous golf frames every bit of conduct.  They're proud of their yard, they treat most Caddies like fellow members who don't use the clubhouse.  They have some old, slow black dudes who can barely handle nine with one, no less than 18 with two...but just yesterday I was out with old Walter, 79 years old in July, been at WF for 61 years.  We had an outing and drew two guys from Southern Hills, one from engineers and a fourth unaffiliated slasher.  My god did we show them a good time and my god did we have one too.  That's exactly what they came to WF and signed up for this outing for...to give a small part of their wealth to Covenant house, play the famous WF course, and be escorted by Walter and Pro VK around the famous links...Walter was pointing that flagstick at the line and telling em how he had the two round leader in the 1980 Senior Open...while I was wiping down clubs and tellign the guy who was in his pocket about the set up for the 2006 Open.  They couldn't give two shits if Walter was 80 yards behind...they puffed on their cigars, told dirty jokes and then departed for their balls which I marked with a separate towel in the dense rough.  We played in 4hrs and 20 minutes - which is positively a miracle for double up tees and all manner of slashers on winged Foot's difficult courses.  they paid me and Walter the equivalent of $200 a bag and gave me contact info should I ever find my way out to oklahoma...they finished 3rd low net in the tournament of 26 teams...

But Shivas...I only do 20% of my rounds at WF, most of the other rounds I conduct are at a smaller club where I started long ago AND I was an administrator/Caddie master/starter for 15 years. At THOSE clubs (and at one time I talked and visited with Caddiemasters at all the 50 leading clubs in the area in my role as President of the Met Caddiemaster's Assoc) there is all manner of these cretans.  Email me privately and i'll give you a dossier of no less than one dozen actual names - among scores - of wealthy people trying to skim their club.  

I had a guy, a grocery store magnate, who spent 45K alone on flowers for his son's wedding (I saw the bill), flowers that would be in the dumpster the next morning, trying to beat a 15 year old kid for $5 the morning of the wedding when they had a groomsmens party foursome the morning of the affair.  He also thought the club should waive the guest fee for the best man and father of the bride, though they were permitted to play on a Saturday morning when no guests are permitted.  The manager at the time, acceded to the request on both counts, as this man was the House Chairman and controlled the manager's favor and his budget.

I wasn't thinking generalizations for their own rhetorical sake. I was thinking specificity...

anyways, I really have no objections to anybody thinking what they want - it has no bearing on me.  I ended up pouring some gas on flaming part of the thread I wanted to extinguish.  I would be happy to return any subsequent conversation to what constitutes a good job by a Caddie and leave the economic considerations to everyone as they must tackle them.

I love Golf and Golf Course Architecture, that's why I'm doing what I do, including posting on this board.  I also like giving people a good day, not just on the course but in life and when I was Caddiemaster, if I saw a kid or a lifer deficient to his primary duties, he was on Strike Two in an instant.

That brings to mind one last point. I honestly think that a few important reasons there aren't more "kid" caddies are:

1.  Kids are soft and easily defeated by the early rigors of the job.  I don't know how I made it taking Dr. Graine and Joe Silverstein in 1983.  not only were the bags twice todays size with a razor-like leather strap and no stands but these guys shot eleventy-seven on every hole which they played to the death.  You needed a pith helmet.  Today's kids are not up to that kind of boot camp, though it be much easier and coddled an experience.

2.  No Caddiemaster wants to deal with f'n parents like its Youth Hockey or something.  The old days, your parent might drop you off at the club gate at 6:45 and, "Be back at 2:00" even if you were  done at noon.   My dad would break my balls if I didn't make a good day's pay.  Now?  Jesus christ, even the poorer minority youth has six phone messages to inquire about the schedule from home. "Johnny can't make it, he has lacrosse..."  "Carl won't be there saturday, we're going away for the weekend..." "I thought Billy said he would make at least 80 dollars a day" and the worst one of all..."How come Michael didn't get out two days in a row?"  Many parents treat it as day care...a Caddiemaster goes mad as his balls are already in a vice with the members complaints about the underperfoming youth as he watches every other managerial position hit a six figure home run working for the wealthy...

3. the club members wan't nice kids with good haircuts and attentiveness...check out your average 16 year old boy.  As Caddiemaster I've had kids come up for the second season of work with mesh truckers hats that say "Brain Dead."  there's good ones to be sure, but Christ you gotta fight to keep them good...

cheers

vk

[V. Kmetz]

Tim M,

That is great to hear and I really hope that strong bond remains for many generations at HGC.  I did 124 holes the last four days (my group only played 16 sunday afternoon)...about 35 miles, 28 with two bags to do exactly what you're describing the HGC guys are trying to do.  You captured the ethos perfectly...nobody's out to take advantage, members or Caddies.  We're not thinking "economy," we are both thinking "How is he (am I) going to get a half from here?"

cheers

vk

[Kalen Braley]

BTW, VK, you did, however, cherrypick all the stuff that's risen massively in price over the last 25 years. You forget that a computer, a cell phone and a pair of khakis costs way less than they did then, and that a case of beer isn't much more, or a phone bill or a couch.

But I get your point on certain items.

All that said, $30 in 1988 is $56.67 on an inflation adjusted basis today. So $70 or $80 for a sloth doubling is sort of a ripoff compared to $30 for a stud single back then.

Shivas,

Spoken like a true capitalist!!  Equating the cost of a good or item with the salary/hourly cost of a worker.  Only top executive pay has sky-rocketed in the last 20 years, everyone else should still be making the same right?

P.S.  I'm sure lawyers fees have in no way risen over the last 25 year right!! 

[Andy Stamm]

I'll give a different perspective.

I caddied for several years in a big (1.5 million metro area) midwestern city. So, unlike the met area, LA, or the Bay area, there are not a lot of people that are really loaded.

The club was a nice, old line club, hence it had a program, which is obviously very rare around there. Caddies are optional and not heavily used.

It was tough a beat because the pay was very mediocre about 35-40 around 1998, which is around $50 (2011 dollars) for a single. Singles were the norm, but doubling was fairly common depending on availability.

The only caddies at the club were/are high school and college kids who play golf and know the game. So, they're fairly good caddies and generally smart/nice guys, but there isn't anyone out there with years of experience.

At that pay rate there were very few of us that wanted to do it very often. Most of us worked in the bag room as well, and we might check the tee sheet on Friday evening and if there was a good loop, we'd take it. But, nobody was really going to come on a Saturday with nothing lined up for the possibility of getting out for a $35 day. Doubling would make it worth your while pay-wise, but doubling isn't much fun at all, so a lot of the enjoyment is gone, and the pay hasn't gone up that much. So, most of the caddies were pretty ambivalent about doubling vs. singling. A good single loop and you might have a good time and make a few bucks. A double loop sucked, but you felt pretty good about your take.

The program really suffered. Some people lamented that the caddie program was what it was. Most members didn't use caddies and could care less. I think the caddie program was there because the club wanted it purely for stature. But realistically, the market price in this market was not enough to encourage people to come out a lot and caddie. Nobody could make a living off of that. Even kids have other, better, more steady options at that pay (or at least they did then!). And the caddies at this club were middle class college kids, so they didn't need the money al that much. If the going rate was more, no question there'd have been plenty of caddies. But, 35-40 was what the members were willing to pay.

So take that for what it's worth. On one hand the caddie fees seem reasonable from a cost perspective, and they're not mandatory, etc. On the other hand, there's barely a caddie program at all. And unless you're a member who regularly takes a caddie and is known to be a good loop, there's a fairly good chance that you won't have a caddie even if you want one on a regular weekend morning.

As unrealistic as $80 a round is for me as an adult golfer, I'd have caddied a whole lot more if the rate was in that neighborhood (adjusted for inflation, of course) when I was younger.

[V. Kmetz]

Shivas,

Thank you for your generous remarks and invite.  If ever make it out that way - Chicago, one city and golf city I have always wanted to see - I will seek you out.

But how about we play at that hour when Caddies are not mandatory ...I'm only half-kidding as I might ask that caddie for a few bucks back so I can catch the taxi to the homeless shelter where I'll be staying.  Plus my own bag...an infant could carry it...9 clubs, 8 balls, bandaids, 25 tees, 3 pencils, two divot tools and one plastic bag tag from some place...it hardly seems a task I ask another to undertake.

"8 balls"...yes, that's the famous Pro VK needle/advice to the players I've known for a quarter century who have their quivers adorned in ungodly equipment and festooned with enough brass bag tags to make you sound like a Clydesdale at Christmas going down the fairway.  It all started when I was going out one day with a good patron of mine and I noted that somehow he accrued 27 balls in his golf bag by late July one season.  I told him, much to the guffaws of the surrounding score, "Dexter, my man...eight balls is all you need, because at any point we have lost seven...we're going in."

But just to engage in the last posts between KB and you...I think if we went item for item, common retail price -forgetting its importance or cultural worth, from 1988-92 to 2008-2011, I think you would run out of items that illustrate your point long before I would run out of items that illustrate mine...to the extent that the adjusted for inflation dollar test of $30 to today's 56.67 (I'm trusting your accuracy) is just a product of a formula that does not remotely touch the real story on the ground...I could say in 1988, you didn't need a cell phone to exist (I still do not own one) or that many Apple models cost $1600-$2500...far more than the IBM 286, the first pc that most resembled what PCs would look like.  And, who hasn't figured out that HP, Canon and Lanier will GIVE you the damn printer for free...just to sell you the many, many ink cartridges at $25 -$40 a pop.

I wouldn't do it in our tit for tat comparison of quantity, but for right now...I've already addressed cell phones and computers to some extent, but as to khakis...well, how can that compare to the basic necessities of life...food, fuel, electricity, shelter, medicine, insurance, or the nominal everyman luxuries of cable television and the 10 day vacation once a year?  Just 11 years ago, in 2000 (not 1988) I took the grandest vacation of my life to that point...Sandals St Lucia - all inclusive $1600 a pop for me and the old lady...I just checked...that trip from the same issuer is now $3600 per...off-season.  What it was, if (like the computer and the cell phone) it even existed in 1988, 12 years prior to that...I can only guess but i know it wasn't more.

and my last point - before I give up my tenuous hold on the economics platform this thread has become - is that what all the talk of economy (not caddies, everybody) ignores is that in America, you need to earn about $40,000 just to walk around like the mass and maybe own something or do anything.  Anything from 0 to near that figure doesn't even count, because all it is is a slow trickle of debts or outright collapse. It takes $3500 a month to keep this household and its occupants running, fed, insured and fueled to make it to work without further debt and I have little...the newest thing in this house is the ketchup I bought today.  forget savings...$8-$12 an hour jobs don't often offer 401ks or fulsome health plans, even if they offer full-time hours...which they don't.  This is all to say that the scale can't be measured from zero...if a household doesn't bring in $35-40K at a minimum, they're done for and at the mercy of fortune, bad or good.   Anything below that is talking in degrees of ruin...not a foundation to enjoin the slip streams of capitalism that start at 2.5x that figure.  In this gross has to be considered before net.

cheers

vk

[Jim Nelson]

I belong to two clubs, both of which have caddie programs.  I say that because I firmly believe that players who commonly use caddies have a better understanding of the relationship and therefore, realistic expectations.  With a caddie new to me, I usually set up the rules early.  Keep my clubs clean, put them back where they belong, give me the raw distance and I'll do the rest of the math.  Also, I'll read my own putts, thank you and ask you to help if I'm confused.  If it's a new course, then give me a good, quick overview of the strategies of the hole, something about the history and design of the course is nice but not needed.  Oh, and let's have fun.  But please, don't try to entertain me.  I try not to be a jerk about my expectations, but introduce them as it becomes necessary. 

Now about required caddies.  I do believe they can be and often are an unnecessary expense for members, particularly if there are carts.  Hard to figure why 4 members need to have a caddie on a course they play all the time with the caddie riding the cart.  With guests, I get it.  On walking only courses, I prefer a caddie as they carry my clubs and save my aging back.

A final comment on young caddies and their attitudes.  I have had the pleasure of being assisted by some great young caddies at Ballyneal.  One young woman, an Evans Scholar, double bags for 36 holes and then works in the restaurant at night.  Her attitude is contagious, she has a quiet yet biting wit and never a complaint.  Great young person.  And there are lots more like her.  Six or seven Evans Scholars have come from the caddie program at Ballyneal in its short history.  So let's not generalize too much.  There are plenty of exceptions.

 

[Jim Franklin]

What should a good caddy make per loop?

[Lou_Duran]

What should a good caddy make per loop?

A: what a golfer is willing to offer and a caddie is willing to accept.  To some golfers that might be $thousands; to others might be around the price of a cart; to a few would be nothing.  We all value things differently.

Q: historically, was caddying thought to be a viable career?  Or was it a means for kids to earn a few bucks, learn about golf and life, and be a stepping stone to a higher calling? 

[Melvyn Morrow]

Caddies are old and know every blade of grass on the golf course - most were born old check out this famous Caddie - and what would you do if you meet him walking TOC one night   Say Hi of course as he was a great Caddie




Melvyn

[Colin Macqueen]

Lou,
You ask,
“.....historically, was caddying thought to be a viable career?  Or was it a means for kids to earn a few bucks, learn about golf and life, and be a stepping stone to a higher calling?”

From my perspective and experience in Scotland it always seemed to be a way for youngsters to get some pocket money or at the other end of the scale for a few old codgers to earn a quid or two to  support their dypsomaniac ways! I never came across any 20, 30 40 or 50 year olds indulging in caddying as a viable occupation. I am religious about my golf but never met any caddy who was delusional enough to believe it was a career path and that a higher calling was in the offing. I never heard of caddying schools, caddie master (other than the junior trainee pro being roped in to try and control a bunch of toe-rags) or a caddie programme. This may all sound a bit dismal but in my experience there was little romance in it. I am a recovered caddie-holic if you like!

Here in Australia I have never set eyes on a caddie other than at the professional tournaments. At the lower end of these tournaments (what used to be the Troppo Tour) the young, aspiring professional golfer often had a golfing mate caddying with no remuneration unless a wee bit of the purse fell their way. Where there is a caddy it seems to me that invariably that chap is a top-notch amateur off a very low handicap and was “looping” to be in touch with good golf not because they had caddied as a youngster and were furthering their career.

Cheers Colin

[V. Kmetz]

Melvyn (and all)

I don't know if your pic is grabbed from the same source but that is a photo of Donald Blue, which can be found in one of the great books about early Scottish Caddies..."Carry Your Bag, Sir?" on page 70... a book that is worth owning for all Golf and GCA enthusiasts.

cheers

vk

[Melvyn Morrow]

An article re Caddies from the 19th Century - what was that about getting distance info from a Caddie?



Melvyn

[Kris Shreiner]

Nice post Melvyn. Notice the progression to worth found written in that description, after that wonderfully biased opening, about what benefits could emerge from the caddie ranks. That folks , is what will be lost if the game fails to support caddie golf. The percentage of courses and players taking caddies will always be small. That is not the point. It's the single, greatest source of the game's champions and differencemakers. Take any enduring endeavor and neglect or ignore the best historical source of its health and vitality and where are you...about where golf is now.

Note that the job was not confined to "kids," as has been the misguided and pervasive view mentioned by some. Guess the "lower orders' still have to fight for a place of dignity and respect, even today. Caddie opportunities and models have many different options. It is much like life... variety is allowed and needs to be supported where viable. Valued quality in the delivery and presentation is the key to worthwhile caddie golf. If something is well-done and appreciated, plenty of folks will want it and pay for it. If the experience is mediocre or poor, why bother.

Cheers,
Kris

[Melvyn Morrow]

Kris

Kids would have had a problem holding all the clubs as no bags back then. Some should have understood that but only if they had set their mind back to that period.

Melvyn

[Andy Stamm]

That news clip is great, where is it from?

Thanks.

[Marty Bonnar]

Caddies are old and know every blade of grass on the golf course - most were born old check out this famous Caddie - and what would you do if you meet him walking TOC one night   Say Hi of course as he was a great Caddie




Melvyn

I think I'd probably offer him 'A Wee Nip at the 19th Hole'! That's the correct answer, isn't it???
cheers,
F.

[Bill_McBride]

An article re Caddies from the 19th Century - what was that about getting distance info from a Caddie?



Melvyn

From what I saw of my first two St Andrews caddies - whom we met at 1 a.m. In the Dunvegan bar, very very far into their cups but managed to show up at 6:30 the next morning - the drink would pose a problem!   

[Tom Fussell]

I recently played as a guest a very nice club in Florida that mandated walking, with single bag caddies.  At the beginning of the round my caddy briefly mentioned that he would keep my score.  My playing partner and myself had our own bets, so I didn't think much of it.  I played very well for 2/3 of the round and the caddie was very helpful. 

As I played the last few holes, my round began to slip (no fault of the caddy) as I came back to my normal "comfort zone."  The 18th hole was a disaster for me.  When I walked off of the green, the caddie thanked me and handed me a scorecard with my score for the round, and statistics of fairways and greens hit, and my total putts.  What an unexpected surprise for me!

I assume this has happened to others more used to the everyday caddy experience, but this was very unique to me.  I would say I've taken caddies 40-50 rounds in my life, and I thought this was a very nice touch that was very easy to do for the single bag caddie.  Carrying two bags would prove to be more difficult and likely not feasible between keeping up with two players' shots.  It made the caddy fee of $80 plus tip that much more justifiable and in this case worth more with the added benefit.

Tom

[Keith OHalloran]

Tom,
Was that Old Memorial? I had the same experience.  The problem was that the caddy accurately memorialized the fact that I had hit 0 greens. I had to toss the card.

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