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Rick Sides

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A Good Caddy
« on: April 30, 2011, 06:10:42 PM »
I was wondering for those of you who have ever played with a caddy, what was it the caddy did that made your round great?  I guess on the other end, was there ever anything a caddy did that bothered you?  i have played with a caddy a few times and it was a great experience each time.

Keith OHalloran

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Re: A Good Caddy
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2011, 06:36:53 PM »
Generally, every caddy that I have had has been great, so I will tell two stories about when they haven't. These two were at the same course.
1. Hit tee shots on the first hole and while walking down the fairway, something is just not right. The caddy turns and says "sorry, I. Didn't think I was going to get out today so I smoked a joint about 15 minutes ago, it should wear off by 5" That was great!
2. One caddy was carrying for my partner and I. We ended up on the same puttngv line, with me going first. The caddy tells me the putt breaks right to left about 8 inches. I hit the putt and it breaks left to right. As I walk up to mark the ball, I hear the caddy say to my partner "I thought it may break that way". I guess he didn't want to clue me in.

In all honsty though, when I have been able to play with a caddy it has been (mostly) great.

Dan King

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Re: A Good Caddy
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2011, 06:46:29 PM »
Best caddy I ever had: He told me walking down the first fairway he wasn't expecting to get out that day and he had smoked some cannabis. He said he'd be fine by about the fifth hole. After five holes I was winning all my matches -- so I handed him a joint at 6 and then again at 12. :-)

My favorite caddies are more easy companions for 18 holes rather than someone that is going to help my game. I'd rather have a caddy that knows lots of history and lore of the course rather than the course itself.

Cheers,
Dan King
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Tim Martin

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Re: A Good Caddy
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2011, 06:58:35 PM »
Generally, every caddy that I have had has been great, so I will tell two stories about when they haven't. These two were at the same course.
1. Hit tee shots on the first hole and while walking down the fairway, something is just not right. The caddy turns and says "sorry, I. Didn't think I was going to get out today so I smoked a joint about 15 minutes ago, it should wear off by 5" That was great!
2. One caddy was carrying for my partner and I. We ended up on the same puttngv line, with me going first. The caddy tells me the putt breaks right to left about 8 inches. I hit the putt and it breaks left to right. As I walk up to mark the ball, I hear the caddy say to my partner "I thought it may break that way". I guess he didn't want to clue me in.

In all honsty though, when I have been able to play with a caddy it has been (mostly) great.

Who rat`s themself out to their employer for smoking a joint? You should have doubled back after he told you and asked for someone with some self respect. ;)

Mac Plumart

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Re: A Good Caddy
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2011, 07:37:28 PM »
A good caddy guides you around a golf course that you are unfamiliar with.  They watch you on the range and while you practice putting and quickly assimilate that, and what they see you do on the first few holes of the course, to better advise you how to play each hole.  This is especially important on challenging courses and/or courses with a lot of subtle nuances.

A good caddy that you play with frequently on the same course is a great companion more than anything.

IMO.
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Tim Martin

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Re: A Good Caddy
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2011, 09:26:36 PM »
A good caddie beats you to your ball every fricking time without exception, so that you are never standing around with your Johnson in hand waiting to play a shot.

Everything else is just icing on the cake.

And if he can't do that while doubling, he is not a good caddie and should be paid like a B. I don't care if Fluff Cowan is caddying for me. If I get to my ball and he's sachaying down the fairway 20 yards behind me, he ain't doing his job.

Was there anybody that didn`t know that carrying doubles would be brought up? We have done this dance before. ;)

Ken Fry

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Re: A Good Caddy
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2011, 09:47:24 PM »

A good caddie beats you to your ball every fricking time without exception, so that you are never standing around with your Johnson in hand waiting to play a shot.


Shivas,

Don't you always stand around with your Johnson in your hand or did I just catch you on a good day???

Ken

Tim Martin

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Re: A Good Caddy
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2011, 09:59:22 PM »
Ken:  Yup.

Tim:  yeah, doubles came up - because this whole topic has been beaten to death. But doubles are particularly pernicious because they're as big a cause of slow play as glacial pre-shot routines and cheater lines.

How are you supposed to play in 3:15 if your caddies can't possibly get around in less than 4? 

 Forget about piling on the caddies. How are you supposed to play in 3:15 when the dbags ahead of you are playing in 4:45?

Kevin Jackson

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Re: A Good Caddy
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2011, 10:46:22 PM »
I caddie on the weekends for a little extra cash to spend during the week at school.  I'll give a caddie point of view. 
First off, I should say I caddie at a country club where most men have been playing there 4-5 times a week for years so they rarely ask for legit advice because they hit it to the same spots and know how far it is.  Either way, any caddie who loves doing it and enjoys being out there (like myself) actually wants to do some work and help you out.  I would much rather get paid $50 and work with you on every shot than get paid $90 and either chase after your cart or do nothing but carry your clubs.  Few things tick a caddie off more than a guy who tells you they are going to use a Skycaddie or GPS for yardages.  There is nothing more insulting than saying a GPS is more accurate than a caddie.  I have walked off yardages for guys and double checked with their GPS and have never been more than 3-4 yards off (and thats an extreme)!  And guess what!? 99.9% of guys aren't good enough to hit it within that 3-4 yard region so it doesn't matter either way if a caddie is a few yards off. The best thing for guys to say is to tell the caddie straight away what they want them to do.  Tell them to do as much or as little as you want so they don't become a nuisance.  Other than that, try to include the caddie in on some of the conversations and talk between you and the rest of the guys you're playing with so they feel like a real part of your round.

V. Kmetz

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Re: A Good Caddy
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2011, 11:39:25 PM »
All

Full disclosure:  Since 1982I have been a Caddie, then Caddiemaster, then President of the Metropolitan Caddiemaster's Association, now back to caddying the last three years

About 33% of Club Caddies stink. 

About 33% of Club Caddies are bag-toters, fine for the minimum standards, but they merely facilitate walking, and don't screw a player up.  If they stick with one place for a while, they can enter the next realm(s)...

The final third are very competent, an aid and enhancement for most everyone's round.  They know the rules, know the game, know their course and are trustworthy companions for four hours.

The remaining statistical percent or two are the legends, the best of the best.  If caddying were as valued as suit and tie bullshit, these guys would be millionaires.

At the better courses with a caddying tradition, these numbers skew to about:

10% stink
40% minimum standards
40% excellent, improve your day
10% legends

Just as many Caddies can know exactly how your day is going to be within a hole or two, you should know within a hole or two which of these categories you have...adjust expectations and pay accordingly.

cheers

vk
"The tee shot must first be hit straight and long between a vast bunker on the left which whispers 'slice' in the player's ear, and a wilderness on the right which induces a hurried hook." -

Jud_T

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Re: A Good Caddy
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2011, 07:13:52 AM »
Single caddies are the way to go certainly, I'm with Shivas on that.  To my mind, a good caddy is most useful when I'm playing as a guest at another club or travelling to a place like the UK or Bandon.  Then they can really help with advice, reading greens etc.  At your home club there will only be 1 or 2 of the best caddies who are able to read the greens any better than you after a couple hundred rounds.  Nevertheless, although often a luxury for most folks these days, there's nothing better than walking with a caddy.  Beats the hell out of carrying or pulling.  And even if you know every blade of grass at your club, a top caddy can still be a great help in a big money match or a tournament, helping to give calm advice when the pressure's on or simply cracking a joke at the right moment.  It's also nice to give something back to the next generation, both in terms of pay and advice to young caddies...Bottom line, there's nothing better that a round with a great caddy and nothing worse than a round with a really bad one...
« Last Edit: May 01, 2011, 07:17:40 AM by Jud Tigerman »
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

Melvyn Morrow

Re: A Good Caddy
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2011, 07:42:38 AM »

My father once said that a Good Caddy should be seen but not heard, unless invited to do so regards the round. He should always know where your ball is in the rough and be free to congratulate you upon a good shot. He should never be seen to pre-emulate your club selection but always ready to suggest a club, if requested to do so.

Keeping to basics a Caddy is there to carry your clubs and to push forward a club to the novice or inexperienced player be it his first game or first time on this course, if for no other reason than to keep the game flowing.  A good Caddy will mention the weather and more so the prevailing wind direction as approaching the next shot just in case his Golfer is new to the experience of a Links.

WE have in our modern game given away much of our pleasure in the learning and playing of new (just constructed or first time played) golf courses.  We have become accustomed to obtaining additional (outside) assistance with our game be it through a Caddy or distance aids, although with a Caddy you are at least Walking. Due to the fundamental weakness of a players game he/she have relied upon caddies to do more than they should, to the extent that they are the sum of all knowledge regards specific courses. A crutch for confidence for the modern player, alas IMHO taking a vast amount of the pleasure away from the golfer, yet it does it so well that we have not noticed that our game is the poorer for their interjections.

Of course many will not agree, but then we need to define what game are we all playing, my game is golf, that Royal & Ancient Game which ask me to go armed with balls and clubs to face the dual with Nature and the Designer. The end result of my game far exceeds any potential discomfort be it mentally or physically that I might have encountered upon my round as I can honestly say I have played the round unaided and it is my true score you see upon the Scorecard..

I fear that the modern caddy is now regarded as the equivalent of a Financial Advisor,  sole purpose is to aid the golfer instead of being a good caddy. I do not blame the Caddies, that is what is being asked of them, yet many will hold their tongue, if so asked to do, but has the player the commitment to play the game on his/her own abilities or will they need to fall back upon aids, be that a caddy, etc.

 Melvyn

Kalen Braley

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Re: A Good Caddy
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2011, 10:15:32 AM »
Shiv,

I know this is just one data point, but I used a double caddy while playing Ballyneal, and it was hands down the best caddie experience I've ever had.  The kid hustled, knew his yardages, got all the bunkers ranked, and was even johnny on the spot with the water bottles when we needed them.  I only had to wait once, but that was due to a lost ball search.

Terry Lavin

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Re: A Good Caddy
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2011, 10:50:43 AM »
I have a caddie on the overwhelming majority of my golf rounds.  If it's a high school or college kid, the relationship is generally a social one, with questions about his/her academic plans and the like.  Occasionally, I'll get a kid who likes the game and will be interested in strategic decisions, but that is an exception to the norm.

While traveling, I've had some exceptional caddies at clubs around the country.  Pebble's caddies are simply spectacular.  Fun, knowledgeable, mellow and the only way to play those courses.  The Pinehurst caddies are an interesting lot, as well.  The caddies at Bandon Dunes are singularly impressive, with their course knowledge and laid back Oregon vibe.

In terms of private clubs, I've had some amazing caddies at LACC and Riviera.  One guy at Riviera, named Bobby Jones believe it or not, was a chill old black guy who preferred to sit in the cart and enjoy an adult beverage while he read the greens.  Flawlessly, I might add.  He knew every blade of grass and where all the proverbial bodies were buried at the Riv.  One day at LACC, I went off as a single and my caddie and I were the only people on the course.  When we got to the third tee, I asked him if he wanted to play.  "Sure."  Then he hit the drive and asked if I wanted "a game".  "Sure."  At the end of the round, was the caddie on the winning end of that bargain? 

Sure, he was.

P.S.  The spelling of the word "caddie" is somewhat controversial.  I prefer "caddie" as a noun and "caddy" as a verb, but some just use the words interchangeably. 
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.  H.L. Mencken

Rory Connaughton

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Re: A Good Caddy
« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2011, 11:15:26 AM »
Shivas

   On the question of doubles and getting around the course, the good caddies where I play can achieve virtually whatever pace the group dictates.  They work well together and efficiently.  Never mind a 4 ball going around in under 4, try a 7 ball! The other piece of this is that golfers need to know how to work with their caddie.

Kris Shreiner

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Re: A Good Caddy
« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2011, 11:46:59 AM »
As ususal, the entire spectrum of opinion represented on the caddie here.

Melvyn,
A caddie aiding a golfer IS being a good caddie. A good, experienced caddie will ask the player how much counsel they wish at the beginning of a round. The less experienced caddie should take care of the basic duties and limit what they offer to the scope of what they know and a less is more approach is best untill they are more seasoned.

Where you continue to amaze me is this constant complaining that working TOGETHER with a caddie to tack one's way around a course is somehow bad or cheapens the experience. Perhaps YOU feel that way, but I can tell you the thousands of rounds I've logged with players over 38 years...rarely left with that impression!

Most players NEED all the help they can get. Golf is a hard game they are trying to enjoy. ANYTHING healthy that adds to players enjoyment is a good thing. You seem to have some philosophical problem with anyone playing the game in a way other than you view it. Your family history in golf would be nothing like it is were it not for people who thought exactly opposite to you! Who would have taken your ancestors in the past if eveyone just took the course on themselves? Who would have taken a lesson from Old Tom if they should just figure it out for themselves? Hell, who needs a course architect, we'll just make our own course?

It's a sillly attitude and your not converting anybody to that mantra. If anything, you only lesson your reputation and possibility folks will respect other solid points and contributions you often make. I admire and applaud your praise and support for Askernish and your passionate zeal for the walking game, among other topics you highlight, but the continued slighting of caddie golf really negates so much of that positive feeling, ESPECIALLY since you OWE your standing in golf to caddie roots. It's heresy man, the way you speak about caddies!!!

V. Kemetz,

First, I wish to thank you for your many years of service supporting caddie golf!

While the percentages may vary, I agree with your evauluation of the caddie ranks in general. In my view, the inconsistency and poor caliber of some caddies is a major part of the problem if we want to sustain and foster caddie golf, Most folks only want something if it is good and is of value. A bag carrier, who adds little to the player's day, isn't worth much.

Now I understand that every one starts somewhere. No caddie ever was a superstar from day one. Given that it is properly supported by members, or management in the case of daily fee or resort situations, the structure, mentoring and dedication to the craft by those charged with running the caddie program IS THE KEY to it's success or struggles. If the program settles for marginal candidates, spotty training and lacks a team-based approach to grooming newer caddies...MEDIOCRITY is ASSURED! This leads to poor caddie experiences, which leads to fewer players wishing to take caddies, which leads to a program that dies!

Shivas,

NO CADDIE can work a double and beat his or her player to the ball EVERY time.  When you share a caddie, work WITH the caddie. They AREN'T your servant. I strongly believe in a quick pace and promtness to get the player taken care of, but part of the "ART" of handling two players 'round a course is THE PLAYER understanding how to efficiently work with the caddie to ensure BOTH players are being taken care of.

To all,

While every player would want their own single caddie, in today's world, a caddie (adult) can't afford to carry just a single in most cases. They need to earn a living, however modest...and singles, unless they're getting crowned, don't make economic sense.

Despite the fact that the caddie ranks have provided the greatest, single source of golf's champions, teaching professionals, and differencemakers, the "reinvestment" in fostering caddie golf by the game, particularly the administrative bodies of golf, has been pathetic! Sadly, this reality is what today's caddie landscape looks like. The caddie dynamic is under tremendous pressure, as most in today's golf industry have no idea how to run a quality program and come up with excuses why they can't or won't have one.

Make no mistake, 95% of the golf courses today don't have the quality of architecture or financial ability to warrant trying to have one. That said, wherever financially viable, we need to support and foster caddie golf. Why you might ask?

Caddies, for centuries, have been the soul of the game. They still are and always will be. When caddie golf is dead...GOLF WILL BE DEAD! Think I'm wrong. How's the health of the game today? Not too good is it...neither is caddie golf. Coincidence, I think not. There is a certain passion for the game that those who find golf as caddies have. It's that way...worldwide! I can't explain it, but lets look at the trophy's of the Majors and then remove the names of every player who was a caddie or was taught or mentored by someone taught or touched by another person who caddied. PRETTY EMPTY SPACES would appear on those awards folks!

Let's go to the R&A and USGA and remove every artifiact from both that has a connection to caddie golf....some pretty barren space would remain there as well. Let's see what GPS, Sky Caddie, or Yamaha and Club Car have in the way of contributions to those places 50 years from now. How many clubs, lessons or rounds did those products pay for. How many buddies did they bring to the game. See, they aren't the enemy. It's the mentality that we must pay homage to profit centers FIRST...THAT mentality IS the enemy.


Need another example of the titanic impact of caddie golf...let's look at GCA! Our own Tom Doak has pointed fondly to his brief time looping at St. Andrew's as enlightening him on how all rank of player went around and contended with the challenges. Think these observations haven't served him well. Gil Hanse, like Tom a Dreer Award recipient at Cornell, also had a stint looping at the Old. Bill Coore caddied in his youth at Pinehurst, if I'm not mistaken. Ben Crenshaw was taught by Harvey Penick. who found the game as...you guessed it ...a caddie.

Those folks are doing as fine a collective body of work as is being done in GCA today. I believe every one of them would deeply convey how much respect and importance they have for all the tremendous contributions caddie golf has made to the game and in one way or another, impacted their own lives.

That is what we lose folks, when we turn our back, or find excuses... for not supporting caddie golf. There is no other sport that offers the opportunity to EARN AND LEARN like being a caddie. This is especiallytrue for youth and those of modest means. If we really reflect on how much caddie golf has given to the game...it's obvious...nothing else even comes close.

That is why, even if you've never taken one or haven't had the opportunity yet, at the very least you should respect the magnitude of caddie golf's rich contributions to the game!

Sincerely yours on the links,

Kris 8)




« Last Edit: May 01, 2011, 05:43:44 PM by Kris Shreiner »
"I said in a talk at the Dunhill Tournament in St. Andrews a few years back that I thought any of the caddies I'd had that week would probably make a good golf course architect. We all want to ask golfers of all abilities to get more out of their games -caddies do that for a living." T.Doak

Tim Martin

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Re: A Good Caddy
« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2011, 11:57:00 AM »
Shivas

   On the question of doubles and getting around the course, the good caddies where I play can achieve virtually whatever pace the group dictates.  They work well together and efficiently.  Never mind a 4 ball going around in under 4, try a 7 ball! The other piece of this is that golfers need to know how to work with their caddie.

Thanks Rory. I have always found that to be the case as well. I have had superb service from caddies toting two bags. I would also like to think that I provided better than average service when I carried doubles back in the day. If you draw someone who is not up to the task he is going to be sub par with one or two bags. I just don`t get the mentality that you are some how being cheated if your guy has two bags instead of one. I would also like to have V. Kmetz and Kris Shreiner chime in on this. subject  
« Last Edit: May 01, 2011, 06:06:40 PM by Tim Martin »

Melvyn Morrow

Re: A Good Caddy
« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2011, 12:33:14 PM »

Kris

Where to you get me being anti-Caddies  ??? – let’s make it clear I am not against Caddies.

Asked some time ago would I recommend a Caddie on TOC my answer was a big Yes if it was your first time. What information you get out of the Caddie is between the two of you, I just keep voicing that a player gets the golfing experience and full joy of the game going on his own thoughts and skill – which ever level they may be.

I have full respect for many of the old Caddies at St Andrews, but I do not want to water down my experience on the course - you seem to have over 38 years, I over nearly 50 years have not.

If I had the power to make the Rules, the only aid a player could have on a course would be a Caddie.

I see nothing wrong in asking a Caddie what was wrong with my game IHO over the last Hole, but I do not want info on the next as I like to play my game unaided. Yes I am no great golfer, I get it wrong more often than not, but when it all starts to come together it’s all down to my efforts.

I have played many a round with others take a Caddie, all I ever ask can you be discrete when passing on information about the next Hole or Green and I do not want to know.

I do not understand the need of the modern player to keep seeking help or assistance in playing a game which should IMHO be down to individuals ability to read the course and understand both the weather and ones capabilities. For some reason many feel they need help but in truth you do not, it will come to most over time yet with the total satisfaction of playing the Game of Golf unaided.

No not anti-Caddies, not at all, I do not think that I have ever said I am – not even in my Post#14
So you have had a rant because you have not read my post correctly.

As for my family what have they to do with my post, it’s not Old Tom’s opinion being put forward but mine, gained over nearly 50 years, but then I have always played golf for fun so perhaps have been able to push the enjoyment factor more as no money at stake.

Melvyn


Kris Shreiner

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Re: A Good Caddy
« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2011, 05:32:42 PM »

Melvyn,

I appreciate your take, it just seems conflicted. Example..."water down my experience," referring to my assisting players as a caddie.
You can't help yourself to a slight. My only comments about your family history were of utmost respect. Your're clearly proud of them and I'm only pointing to the avenue that enabled them and countless others to enjoy success. Many players also greatly enjoy the social interaction they have when taking caddies. You may not and that is fine.

To all,

If someone never takes a caddie in their life while playing golf, that's o.k. To not appreciate or acknowledge the wide-ranging contributions made by caddies to the game, especially if you play golf or derive your living in some way from the sport, is somethng else again.

Cheers, Kris 8)






« Last Edit: May 01, 2011, 05:55:57 PM by Kris Shreiner »
"I said in a talk at the Dunhill Tournament in St. Andrews a few years back that I thought any of the caddies I'd had that week would probably make a good golf course architect. We all want to ask golfers of all abilities to get more out of their games -caddies do that for a living." T.Doak

Melvyn Morrow

Re: A Good Caddy
« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2011, 06:37:05 PM »

Kris

Why do things by half, if you want to play golf, play the game, but don’t bring the baggage (all outside aids etc.) with you, it just waters the down the whole experience IMHO. 

I try to play the game as it was taught to me and that means I do not use carts, caddies (unless required to carry my clubs and perhaps give a breakdown of my game after the round), distance /yardage aids of any sort preferring to use my natural God given talents no matter how poor they may be.

You see or perhaps you don’t, but it’s a question of keeping faith with myself, that is what I believe ultimately game of golf is all about.

Any help starting from simply riding takes the strain out of the game. Not needing to thinks but relying on yardage is IMO going down the wrong road of actually declining the challenge that the game offers. So ride and use aids, in my book I just do not see the point, you did not do it unaided so it meaning is zero.

I am just surprised at how many modern golfers seem not to respect themselves or in real terms the game they play. The good thing is that they may one day be shocked at the fun and enjoyment they may get when they give up their aids.

Melvyn   


Wade Whitehead

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Re: A Good Caddy
« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2011, 07:58:59 PM »
Playing with a caddy once and facing an approach, I said "Do you think I can there with a six iron?" to which the caddy replied "Eventually."

I turned and said "You must be the worst caddy in the world."  "No sir," he said, "that would be too much of a coincidence."

WW

Ben Sims

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Re: A Good Caddy
« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2011, 08:16:24 PM »
I've learned from people way smarter than me to be up front and talk about expectations.  This removes ambiguity.  A couple things that make a good caddy for me.

1)  You don't know me, so don't club me.  Give me a yardage after taking uphill/downhill and wind +/- into affect.  Add in little tips about whether long or short is dead, my lie, etc.  Then let me club myself so it;s my fault when I eff it up.  There shouldn't be anyone to blame but myself as that is the best way to keep it amicable.

2)  Same with putts.  Let me read it first, then we can discuss.  That way I never follow you blindly and then you eff up the read.  Let's foul it up together.

Other than that.  I'm easy.  Oh, don't forecaddy unless you're called a forecaddy.  I don't give a crap about losing balls.  I'm paying for your company and to have my bag close by.   

Mark Saltzman

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Re: A Good Caddy
« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2011, 09:28:33 PM »
In almost all cases, my caddies have been great.  Instead of discussing everything they have done right, I'll give a couple of examples of things I don't like:

1) Giving me adjusted yardages (for wind, elevation, the fact that 'most people come up short/long').  Tell me it plays uphill, but give me the actual number. 

2) Telling me "I told you that you shouldn't hit that club."  First of all, I know my game better than you.  Second, I'm already a little annoyed that I didn't pull of the shot, please don't tell me I told you not to hit that club.

3)  When a caddie is double-baggin it, he often spends much more time with the better player.  I am a much better golfer than my Dad and whenever we have a shared caddie it is very frustrating for my Dad because he is lucky if he gets so much as a yardage from the caddie.  I always hear from him at the end of the round that he ends up having to pay half the caddie cost but gets almost zero help.

4) A couple of times I have had caddies try to rush me (I am not a slow player) so that they could get done early enough for their next loop (including one time when I teed off first time of the day at 7 and the caddie wanted to make it for a 930 group.. every time by the time my ball was in the air he was off 50 yards ahead of me and if I ever wanted to change clubs he was gone).

Like I said, despite this bit of bitching, I love to take caddies and in almost all cases they make the round more enjoyable.

Travis Dewire

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Re: A Good Caddy
« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2011, 10:42:19 PM »
I caddied for two seasons at my club, after I won the club championship and they still didn't want advice or yardage LOLOL!!!!!

Colin Macqueen

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Re: A Good Caddy
« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2011, 12:10:54 AM »
Gentlemen,

Each time a thread on caddies appears on this forum I am intrigued by the love-fest that surrounds the art. My experiences are quite different but then I have only ever been a caddie and never hired one! As I wrote to a new acquaintance just the other day,

“...........As to Carnoustie and Panmure I caddied many, many times on these links as we lived just outside Dundee from when I was 4 years old. I have to chuckle when the GCA mob carry on about the beauty of being a caddy. My experiences were fraught; rubbish remuneration, tedious hanging around in cold, windy, sleet ......and being berated by old curmudgeons who could hardly hit their hat never mind a golf ball!”

Add to this being bullied by bigger more senior caddies and being gazzumped on a number of occassions!

Well I guess you good folk on this forum will counter that by saying the story says more about Scottish hard-nutted culture in the ‘60s than the about caddying per se.  Even though it was no barrel of laughs for a wee boy trying to earn a penny or two and maybe find a golf ball to boot .....ah but I remember now one of the golfers used to claim said golf balls!  See .... as I write and read this I realise I have been permanently scarred psychologically. It’s a wonder I can set foot on a golf course at all! Seriously!

In all fairness I have to add that caddying for my Uncle Ivor (who was the first person I ever saw playing golf) on Carnoustie was great fun. I got to keep any balls I found for starters. Even better though was, after the game, often being treated to his wife’s (Auntie Gerda) spahgetti bolognese. Now for a wee lad, from a family of eleven, who believed he never had enough to eat, and, whose gastronomic experiences were somewhat limited this was heaven on earth! Memories, memories.

Anyway I am very glad that so many people have had such a wonderful time caddying and being caddied for....beats me! Is it an American phenomenon?

Cheers Colin
"Golf, thou art a gentle sprite, I owe thee much"
The Hielander

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