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Jim Colton

U.S. Best New Course Opening in 2011?
« on: April 01, 2011, 03:04:17 PM »
Despite the lack of quantity, last year we had a few high profile courses open up - Old Macdonald and the two courses at the Prairie Club spring to mind.  Who are the contenders for Best New 2011? Awarii Dunes? Anything else out there scheduled to open this year in the U.S.?
« Last Edit: April 01, 2011, 04:21:52 PM by Jim Colton »
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Jim Franklin

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Re: Best New 2011?
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2011, 03:06:43 PM »
When does Streamsong open?
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Carl Nichols

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Re: Best New 2011?
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2011, 03:30:36 PM »
Jim:
Tom D said on another thread that Streamsong is projected to open in 2012.  I must admit I'm very curious about the project--the website indicates that they're only going to have only 140 guest rooms (which I think is less than half of Bandon), plus it's apparently in the middle of nowhere.  I assume that already owning the land (and perhaps getting gov't assistance because it had been mined) helps a lot.   
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Jim Franklin

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Re: Best New 2011?
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2011, 03:38:31 PM »
Middle of nowhere where? It has to be near something doesn't it? Even Bandon is near something.
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Tom Dunne

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Re: Best New 2011?
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2011, 03:49:22 PM »
Jim, Streamsong is a little over an hour southeast (mostly east) of Tampa. It's a 2012 opening for both the Doak and C&C courses. The mining company that owns the land, Mosaic, is also behind the resort development. Definitely a promising project.

I, too, am curious what's scheduled to open in the U.S. this year. (If anything!)

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Mac Plumart

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Re: Best New 2011?
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2011, 03:51:24 PM »
The New #2.

Does Cabot open this year?

Is Shanqin Bay open yet?
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JC Jones

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Re: Best New 2011?
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2011, 03:54:49 PM »
Was Dormie Club on the 2011 list or did it open too late for that?  Or was it disregarded?
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Tom Dunne

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Re: Best New 2011?
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2011, 04:01:27 PM »
JC,

Dormie opened in '10, according to their site.

Mac,

New AND U.S. You have a reno/resto and two internationals.
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Mac Plumart

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Re: Best New 2011?
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2011, 04:17:46 PM »
Quote from: Tom Dunne on April 01, 2011, 04:01:27 PM
Mac,

New AND U.S. You have a reno/resto and two internationals.

:)

Oops!!

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Sam Morrow

Re: U.S. Best New Course Opening in 2011?
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2011, 11:07:34 PM »
I think the new Nicklaus course in the Hill Country opens this year.
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Michael Burrows

Re: U.S. Best New Course Opening in 2011?
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2011, 07:50:31 AM »
Quote from: Sam Morrow on April 01, 2011, 11:07:34 PM
I think the new Nicklaus course in the Hill Country opens this year.

They just file bankruptcy again last month. It does sound like they will finished the course.

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/theticker/entries/2011/03/01/skywater_project_files_for_ban.html?cxntfid=blogs_statesman_business_blog
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: U.S. Best New Course Opening in 2011?
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2011, 10:09:08 AM »
Shouldn't the thread be titled "U.S. New Course Openings In 2011?" [cue the crickets...]
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Re: U.S. Best New Course Opening in 2011?
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2011, 10:23:17 AM »
A new high end development with a Tom Weiskopf course just opened in Kauai called Kukai'ula.

Someone just posted something about a new Gene Bates course in Washington.


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« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2011, 11:46:10 AM »
Firekeeper in Mayetta, ks opens May 17 to public.  We hope la Costa north reopens late this year.
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Adam Clayman

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Re: U.S. Best New Course Opening in 2011?
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2011, 06:56:58 AM »
Should Sebonack qualify?
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Scott Weersing

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Re: U.S. Best New Course Opening in 2011?
« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2011, 07:35:07 AM »
Quote from: Adam Clayman on April 04, 2011, 06:56:58 AM
Should Sebonack qualify?

What about Erin Hills? They have remodeled this course five times so it should be consider a new course opening. Or was that last year?
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Adam Clayman

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Re: U.S. Best New Course Opening in 2011?
« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2011, 07:44:29 AM »
Scott, This time GD panelists should be able to vote for it, too.
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Bruce Wellmon

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Re: U.S. Best New Course Opening in 2011?
« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2011, 08:34:07 AM »
I believe the Gary Player designed course at The Cliffs/Mountain Park opens this fall.
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Jim Franklin

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Re: U.S. Best New Course Opening in 2011?
« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2011, 09:56:07 AM »
Quote from: Adam Clayman on April 04, 2011, 07:44:29 AM
Scott, This time GD panelists should be able to vote for it, too.

Whitten still says no.
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Jim Colton

Re: U.S. Best New Course Opening in 2011?
« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2011, 12:16:03 PM »
I think EH should be included for consideration.  They have the numbers and process verified by an auditing firm now.  It's supposed to be the definitive list of America's Best 100 courses, not America's Best 100*.  How odd would Golfweek Modern's list look without Old Mac if Brad K took the same stance given his unpaid role in that course's development? I trust that these guys can wear two different hats with integrity.

Plus, one could argue that the course today is a far cry from the one Whitten had a part in building.  It seems like a lot of his influences (Dell hole, 10th hole) have been taken out or altered significantly.

At least by continually mentioning that EH is excluded from consideration from the top 100, Whitten gets to imply that it should or would be there if the restriction had been lifted.

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Jim Franklin

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Re: U.S. Best New Course Opening in 2011?
« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2011, 01:11:12 PM »
Jim -

I couldn't agree more. Ron does not have a vote in any of the ratings so I am hard pressed to see why the panel cannot vote on his baby. Maybe he does not want to hear what the panel has to say? I liked the course, even the Dell hole though. 
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Kalen Braley

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Re: U.S. Best New Course Opening in 2011?
« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2011, 07:03:53 PM »
Quote from: Joel_Stewart on April 03, 2011, 10:23:17 AM
A new high end development with a Tom Weiskopf course just opened in Kauai called Kukai'ula.

Someone just posted something about a new Gene Bates course in Washington.


Looks like this is the one.

http://golfcoursebusiness.com/files/2010/04/Salish_Cliffs_Master_Plan.jpg

Bates also did Circling Raven here on the other side of the state and it turned out pretty nice.
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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: U.S. Best New Course Opening in 2011?
« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2011, 07:27:31 PM »
What about Engh's  Awarii Dunes?

http://www.awariidunes.com/
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Adam Clayman

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Re: U.S. Best New Course Opening in 2011?
« Reply #23 on: April 05, 2011, 09:29:57 AM »
Steve, You make an excellent suggestion there. It's highly possible it could win. Since I've only toured it, I can only speculate on it's merits. Certainly the principles inherit are sound and it's location on a sandy site, with ample wind should be enough for some of the more sophisticated golfers. I don't know how that translates to panelists. :)
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: U.S. Best New Course Opening in 2011?
« Reply #24 on: April 05, 2011, 09:42:43 AM »
Quote from: Steve_ Shaffer on April 04, 2011, 07:27:31 PM
What about Engh's  Awarii Dunes?

http://www.awariidunes.com/

It will win in Digest for a couple or reasons.  For one, it is an Engh. For two, Whitten now votes on best new without input from his raters and it is in his back yard.  I just had to say this because if the tide was turned on Golfweek I would have done the same to Klein.  Sorry.

I will give it a full and accurate report after I play June 1st.  My only concern is the housing and other distractions as viewed from on the course.
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