Ishikawa to donate all 2011 earnings

[Bill_McBride]

$93,000. Well done.

[Terry Lavin]

Hideki Matsuyama is giving his Masters winnings to earthquake relief as well.

[Jim_Kennedy]

"I am amazed at how wrong I was on this one. I completely overestimated how much the world cares about the people of Japan.  It must not sell in this country."[/i-]JaKa 

I didn't realize you were bi-textual.

[Bill_McBride]

Hideki Matsuyama is giving his Masters winnings to earthquake relief as well.

Pretty good from the low amateur!

[Terry Lavin]

B. McB:

My tongue was firmly in cheek with that comment, of course.

[PCCraig]

No man takes any action that he doesn't believe to be in his own best interest. 

This might take the cake as the dumbest thing typed into the golfclubatlas.com discussion forum. Just because you don't care about anything but your own best interest doesn't mean everyone else is the same way.

I don't care what Ishikawa's motive is in donating his winnings to the people of Japan, it will make a big difference either way.

[Bill_McBride]

B. McB:


My tongue was firmly in cheek with that comment, of course.

Me too!

But seriously....I wonder if Ryo's agent took his 10% off the top before the donation?  And what are the U.S. tax consequences?  Hmmm, very complicated.

[SL_Solow]

There was a very wise man named Moses Maimonides who posited a code ranking the forms of charitable giving.  The highest form was anonymous gifts where the donor did not know the identity of the donee and vice versa.  But all forms of charitable giving were deemed to have worth because it was a means by which those who were more fortunate than others could help.  By this standard Ishikawa ranks reasonably high.  Maimonides lived before the power of mass media.  One might atgue that Ishikawa's "going public" was intended to inspire others and thus added benefit.  In any event, he gave to aid those less fortunate.  To my wayof thinking that is to his credit.  Although I can be quite the cynic, I know too many people who give time and money without reward except for the satisfaction they receive from the act of giving back.  If this is the type of self-interest that Barney has referred to, then I am all for it.  If the suggestion is that no one gives of their time and money unless they are getting something more in return, then those who are making the suggestion have been hanging around in the wrong crowd.  I can introduce them to more than a few people who might change their opinions if not their habits.

[Rick Shefchik]

I am amazed at how wrong I was on this one. I completely overestimated how much the world cares about the people of Japan.  It must not sell in this country. 

Good going, Barney. I knew you could find the dark side here.

[Ian_L]

No man takes any action that he doesn't believe to be in his own best interest. 

This might take the cake as the dumbest thing typed into the golfclubatlas.com discussion forum. Just because you don't care about anything but your own best interest doesn't mean everyone else is the same way.

Pat, that's actually an interesting philosophical question. Even if Ryo is donating his winnings only to help the Japanese people (certainly plausible), I would argue that he is still acting in his own best interest.  Helping in the relief efforts makes him happier than spending that money on something else or saving it. You can still care about other people, but in my opinion you help others because it makes you feel good. 

[PCCraig]

No man takes any action that he doesn't believe to be in his own best interest. 

This might take the cake as the dumbest thing typed into the golfclubatlas.com discussion forum. Just because you don't care about anything but your own best interest doesn't mean everyone else is the same way.

Pat, that's actually an interesting philosophical question. Even if Ryo is donating his winnings only to help the Japanese people (certainly plausible), I would argue that he is still acting in his own best interest.  Helping in the relief efforts makes him happier than spending that money on something else or saving it. You can still care about other people, but in my opinion you help others because it makes you feel good. 

Ian:

I see your point, but I disagree. I tend to think people who help others do so not because it makes them feel good, but because helping others is the right thing to do. Ryo may feel good about what he's doing, which is totally fine, but his feelings pale in comparision to the what a once homeless family will feel when his donated $ puts a roof over their heads.

Again, my issue with the boneheaded comment above is that it implies that a person is only generous because it advances himself personally.

[Jim_Kennedy]

Do a search, you'll find that the number of agencies, American and worldwide, that are involved in bringing some relief to the people of Japan is quite impressive, and it's individual donations that fund them. Once again, you're wrong Jaka.

So far you're batting .000 on this. Time to head for the showers.

[JC Jones]

 

[John Kavanaugh]

I would love to know which of you have done charity without consideration of your personal benefit.  There is nothing wrong with being a human.

The only thing I can come up with in my life, that requires sacrifice on my part, is that I refuse to recline my seat on airplanes because it would cause discomfort to the person behind me.  But even in that small act of charity I live with the belief that others will follow my lead and someday the guy in front of me will not recline his seat.  There is also nothing wrong with wanting to live in a better world.

What do you do?

[John Kavanaugh]

Do a search, you'll find that the number of agencies, American and worldwide, that are involved in bringing some relief to the people of Japan is quite impressive, and it's individual donations that fund them. Once again, you're wrong Jaka.

So far you're batting .000 on this. Time to head for the showers.

Jim,

I have searched as you requested.  Please show me the human face of this disaster.  I can't find it.

[Jim_Kennedy]

If you haven't found it you haven't looked.

[Bill_McBride]

Do a search, you'll find that the number of agencies, American and worldwide, that are involved in bringing some relief to the people of Japan is quite impressive, and it's individual donations that fund them. Once again, you're wrong Jaka.

So far you're batting .000 on this. Time to head for the showers.

Jim,

I have searched as you requested.  Please show me the human face of this disaster.  I can't find it.

You really haven't seen stuff like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOhDQ1GB3GI&feature=related

A family owns every home.  Do you say stuff like this ("I have searched as you requested.  Please show me the human face of this disaster.  I can't find it.") for the shock value?  First you were criticizing Ishikawa for donating his winnings.  Now you're saying you haven't found a human face to this disaster.  Are you really that insulated from reality, or will there be a punch line?

[John Kavanaugh]

Jim and Bill,

It's the nuclear power plant.  Even I am starting to question the amount of milk my 15 year old son drinks each day. By the end of summer the face of this disaster will be a Wisconsin dairy cow.

I've seen all the macro pictures of destruction.  I have not seen an iconic picture of individual torment.  Dig about five pages deep on Google images and you will see that they exist.  They just aren't selling in this country.

[Dan Kelly]

There is nothing wrong with being a human.

Finally, Mr. K., you got something right.

Now, try to imagine the possibility that your idea of "being a human" is not the only idea of "being a human."

I am not going to hold myself up as one who is capable of selflessness -- but I have no doubt that selflessness is possible.

That's my faith.

You have yours. I have mine.

As for an iconic (overused word of the decade) face of this disaster: See the cover of The Week magazine, about a month ago.

[Jim_Kennedy]

If one was to answer the question posed by JaKa, "....which of you have done charity without consideration of your personal benefit", then I'd guess JaKa would say that the recounting of it would no longer qualify it as a charitable act done "without consideration of your personal benefit".

The wife of a friend gave a kidney to a woman she didn't know. She heard of this woman's plight through a mutual friend and decided to make the donation. Barb, the donor, is not a religious person, accepted no money, and shunned any fanfare. I don't know her 'motive', but what's left?
Shelda, the recipient, is immensely greatful.

A young cousin of mine needed a bone marrow transplant and hundreds of people came forward to be tested. What's their motivation? Are all of them guilty of doing it for some sort of personal benefit? I don't believe so.

Some thirty years ago a friend of mine living in Toronto was also faced with needing a bone marrow transplant for leukemia. Turned out that the only 'match' found was from his overweight brother. He forced himself into losing the massive amount (nearly 100 pounds) of weight that the doctor's required before they'd take his marrow. What'd he do that for? Simple - love for his brother. Costas is now the longest bone marrow recipient in that country. His brother, Marco, has never reminded him of the 'gift'.

[John Kavanaugh]

Jim,

Some of us keep the Devil so busy that one good person slips through the cracks now and again.  You are blessed to know such people.

[Dan Kelly]

Somehow apropos of this thread -- and worth your time, regardless:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/Hzgzim5m7oU

[John Kavanaugh]

Somehow apropos of this thread -- and worth your time, regardless:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/Hzgzim5m7oU

For some reason I thought the bitch would give up her glasses.

[Dan Kelly]

the bitch

Yet another utterly baseless assertion.

Is it your goal in life, John, to keep the Devil busy?

[John Kavanaugh]

It was a carefully chosen word in response to a video about words. 

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