Ishikawa to donate all 2011 earnings

[JR Potts]

If what he said was true an atheist would never give a dime to anyone, anonymously or otherwise. 

We agnostics just do so as an eternal hedge.

[Jim_Kennedy]

The timing of waiting 3 weeks is interesting given how this comes to a head during Masters week.  If a family in one of our local communities lose their house it does not take three weeks to know what you can afford to give.  As each day passes and you are the one lone person who has not offered help you soon are in an awkward situation.  Cleaning out your closet or giving food and shelter that night is not equal to offering the same three weeks later.  Your only hope, if your interest is self serving, is to wait to see who else has given in the past three weeks and give more than them.  That is not charity, it is win/win with a spoonful of shame.-Jaka

That's not how the scenario plays out, the family that loses their home or suffers some other type of tragedy needs ongoing support.
A gift of food, clothing, money, or just a visit that takes place 3 weeks after the occurrence is as welcome as it was 3 hours after the fact. 
On a large scale, there are still ongoing fundraising operations for New Orleans, Haiti, etc.

Charity is also a very fragile thing.  If for instance you have 20 families giving 10% of their earnings week in and week out and a profiteer in grace shows up and gives 5 times as much you may lose money in the long run.  This is what concerns me about a structured plan of all athletes giving 20% of their prize money and then a PIG shows up and eats up all the glory.  The possibility exists that future staff and family of other athletes will decline giving 20% because now they look cheap and can not afford 100%.  This golfing child is one of those athletes whose endorsements far outweigh his prize money.  If he had given away all his endorsement money, wow, that would have been unprecedented. Another falsehood on your part. Celebrities who give huge amounts to, or adopt, a charity actually draw more money to the specific cause than would otherwise have been possible. - Jaka

Again, not true. It's been shown that when a celebrity gives large sums to (or 'adopts') a charity, that charity dramatically improves it's revenue among it's other donors because of the notoriety of the celeb.

Do you know how ridiculous you sound when you call him a 'PIG' ? 

[Kalen Braley]

The timing of waiting 3 weeks is interesting given how this comes to a head during Masters week.  If a family in one of our local communities lose their house it does not take three weeks to know what you can afford to give.  As each day passes and you are the one lone person who has not offered help you soon are in an awkward situation.  Cleaning out your closet or giving food and shelter that night is not equal to offering the same three weeks later.  Your only hope, if your interest is self serving, is to wait to see who else has given in the past three weeks and give more than them.  That is not charity, it is win/win with a spoonful of shame.-Jaka

That's not how the scenario plays out, the family that loses their home or suffers some other type of tragedy needs ongoing support.
A gift of food, clothing, money, or just a visit that takes place 3 weeks after the occurrence is as welcome as it was 3 hours after the fact. 
On a large scale, there are still ongoing fundraising operations for New Orleans, Haiti, etc.

Charity is also a very fragile thing.  If for instance you have 20 families giving 10% of their earnings week in and week out and a profiteer in grace shows up and gives 5 times as much you may lose money in the long run.  This is what concerns me about a structured plan of all athletes giving 20% of their prize money and then a PIG shows up and eats up all the glory.  The possibility exists that future staff and family of other athletes will decline giving 20% because now they look cheap and can not afford 100%.  This golfing child is one of those athletes whose endorsements far outweigh his prize money.  If he had given away all his endorsement money, wow, that would have been unprecedented. Another falsehood on your part. Celebrities who give huge amounts to, or adopt, a charity actually draw more money to the specific cause than would otherwise have been possible. - Jaka

Again, not true. It's been shown that when a celebrity gives large sums to (or 'adopts') a charity, that charity dramatically improves it's revenue among it's other donors because of the notoriety of the celeb.

Do you know how ridiculous you sound when you call him a 'PIG' ? 

A big two thumbs up here to Jims post!

All that being said, not surprised to see Jaka trying to stir the pot on this one.  I doubt he sincerely stands by his words and is once again up to his old tricks!

I can't even imagine what those folks in the affected areas of Japan are going thru, much less try to "judge" someone who's willing to give up a substantial portion of his annual income to help in any way possible.

[John Kavanaugh]

Kalen,

It is less than 10% of his income.  On the come no less.

[Kalen Braley]

Kalen,

It is less than 10% of his income.  On the come no less.

JK,

I'm not aware of how much he makes in endorsements, but if there is a link out there that shows this, it would be interesting to see.

Either way, at the end of the day donating that much money is very substantial and is nothing short of praiseworthy in my book.

[Mike Sweeney]

Kalen,

It is less than 10% of his income.  On the come no less.

25%

http://www.golfdigest.com/magazine/2011-02/photos-the-golf-digest-50#slide=26

John

In the words of Daniel Patrick Moynihan, "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts".

If you are going to rip into the kid, at least go a little deeper than BombSquad message boards. And I am still waiting for an answer to my question.

[John Kavanaugh]

Tuition at Southern Illinois at Edwardsville in 1980 was less than $1000 per year.  I paid my own way on earnings from my summer job driving a truck and buying and selling art during my free time.   Funny how the internet ruined that market.

Any other questions?

[Bill_McBride]

Tuition at Southern Illinois at Edwardsville in 1980 was less than $1000 per year.  I paid my own way on earnings from my summer job driving a truck and buying and selling art during my free time.   Funny how the internet ruined that market.

Any other questions?

Just curious, who did that noble effort benefit but you and your parents?

It must be hard to maintain that twisted cynic pose!

[John Kavanaugh]

Tuition at Southern Illinois at Edwardsville in 1980 was less than $1000 per year.  I paid my own way on earnings from my summer job driving a truck and buying and selling art during my free time.   Funny how the internet ruined that market.

Any other questions?

Just curious, who did that noble effort benefit but you and your parents?

It must be hard to maintain that twisted cynic pose!

Bill,

I employ over 100 local people in a small community.  If I had not moved back to run the company after my uncles death Dad would have sold to a large conglomerate that moves with their people from job to job.  It was a win/win.  I don't think a burnt out art history major would have worked out, but damn I would have been happy.

[John Kavanaugh]

Kalen,

It is less than 10% of his income.  On the come no less.

25%

http://www.golfdigest.com/magazine/2011-02/photos-the-golf-digest-50#slide=26

John

In the words of Daniel Patrick Moynihan, "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts".

If you are going to rip into the kid, at least go a little deeper than BombSquad message boards. And I am still waiting for an answer to my question.

Btw.  Thanks for posting that link.  Pay attention to the size of the Panasonic logo on his shirt this year

[Bill_McBride]

Tuition at Southern Illinois at Edwardsville in 1980 was less than $1000 per year.  I paid my own way on earnings from my summer job driving a truck and buying and selling art during my free time.   Funny how the internet ruined that market.

Any other questions?

Just curious, who did that noble effort benefit but you and your parents?

It must be hard to maintain that twisted cynic pose!

Bill,

I employ over 100 local people in a small community.  If I had not moved back to run the company after my uncles death Dad would have sold to a large conglomerate that moves with their people from job to job.  It was a win/win.  I don't think a burnt out art history major would have worked out, but damn I would have been happy.

But - and this is the question - has anyone cynically questioned your motives for doing so as you are questioning Ishikawa's?

[John Kavanaugh]

Bill,

I'm a bosses son for God's sake.  I would be the first to question my own motives.  You don't get as screwed up as I am without some help along the way.  It takes one to know one.  He who smelt it delt it.  I got qualifications for knowing a rat when I see one.

[Rick Shefchik]

So Ishikawa is both a pig and a rat. No wonder charity is better kept private.

[John Kavanaugh]

So Ishikawa is both a pig and a rat. No wonder charity is better kept private.

He may only be a pawn in a game being played by pigs and rats.  He would not be the first talented child to be put in that game.  This is a one thousand billion dollar disaster.  The thought that one group turns 2 million into 10 under the guise of charity is nothing worse than an entertaining sideshow.  Sit back this week and watch it unfold before your eyes.  I don't fault the kid.

[Mike Sweeney]

He may only be a pawn in a game being played by pigs and rats.  He would not be the first talented child to be put in that game.  This is a one thousand billion dollar disaster.  The thought that one group turns 2 million into 10 under the guise of charity is nothing worse than an entertaining sideshow.  Sit back this week and watch it unfold before your eyes.  I don't fault the kid.

John

How big of a hole is golf in? Do you really think your 2-3 extra private club memberships is going to make that much of a difference? And why do YOU feel the need to continuously tell the GCA world about your charitable gifts to the golf world that are really coming from your father's company that is really funded by Obama dollars?

Ishikawa may be a pawn, but I believe he is helping too. You are not a pawn and who are your extra memberships helping beside you and a couple of owners?

[Jud_T]

Charity is indeed best kept private.  Nothing worse than the corporate strongarm giving plans or the nouveau riche guy bragging about all his charitable efforts to anyone within earshot.  I'll bet the network boys are praying for an Ishikawa-Woods final paring on Sunday...

[John Kavanaugh]

He may only be a pawn in a game being played by pigs and rats.  He would not be the first talented child to be put in that game.  This is a one thousand billion dollar disaster.  The thought that one group turns 2 million into 10 under the guise of charity is nothing worse than an entertaining sideshow.  Sit back this week and watch it unfold before your eyes.  I don't fault the kid.

John

How big of a hole is golf in? Do you really think your 2-3 extra private club memberships is going to make that much of a difference? And why do YOU feel the need to continuously tell the GCA world about your charitable gifts to the golf world that are really coming from your father's company that is really funded by Obama dollars?

Ishikawa may be a pawn, but I believe he is helping too. You are not a pawn and who are your extra memberships helping beside you and a couple of owners?

Mike,

I deserve all these digs you are throwing at me, no problem. I do hope you understand that the projects funded by Obama dollars are part of his stimulus program.  It would be selfish of me not to spend the money I have earned. 

[Mike Sweeney]

Mike,

I deserve all these digs you are throwing at me, no problem. I do hope you understand that the projects funded by Obama dollars are part of his stimulus program.  It would be selfish of me not to spend the money I have earned. 

So Ishikawa is making money and giving to charity and announcing it to his version of the world. John Kavanaugh is making money and joing golf clubs and telling his version of the world (here at GCA.com). Other than the fact that you are in a smaller world and it is less money, what is the difference?

[John Kavanaugh]

There is no difference.  Neither of us should be celebrated on the world stage.  Or in my case on the town square.

That has been my point all along.

[Bill_McBride]

Mike,

I deserve all these digs you are throwing at me, no problem. I do hope you understand that the projects funded by Obama dollars are part of his stimulus program.  It would be selfish of me not to spend the money I have earned. 

So Ishikawa is making money and giving to charity and announcing it to his version of the world. John Kavanaugh is making money and joing golf clubs and telling his version of the world (here at GCA.com). Other than the fact that you are in a smaller world and it is less money, what is the difference?

I don't recall a big fuss when Warren Buffet announced he was turning billions of foundation money over to Bill Gates for charitable giving.

Every now and then Barney digs himself a hole that even an excavator can't dig him out of -- no matter how hard he tries. Good time to bow out gracelessly.

[John Kavanaugh]

Mike,

I deserve all these digs you are throwing at me, no problem. I do hope you understand that the projects funded by Obama dollars are part of his stimulus program.  It would be selfish of me not to spend the money I have earned. 

So Ishikawa is making money and giving to charity and announcing it to his version of the world. John Kavanaugh is making money and joing golf clubs and telling his version of the world (here at GCA.com). Other than the fact that you are in a smaller world and it is less money, what is the difference?

I don't recall a big fuss when Warren Buffet announced he was turning billions of foundation money over to Bill Gates for charitable giving.

Every now and then Barney digs himself a hole that even an excavator can't dig him out of -- no matter how hard he tries. Good time to bow out gracelessly.

Bill,

That is only because no one came on here and started another OT thread about billionaires giving away half their fortune.  Do you believe in a second that I buy into these guys buying their way into heaven?  I thought all that was settled during the reformation.

[Mike Nuzzo]

Neither of us should be celebrated on the world stage.  Or in my case on the town square.

It isn't up to you if I celebrate you or not.
If you don't share I don't get to choose.

[George Pazin]

It's fine to question. It's another thing to pass definitive judgments on complete speculation.

Nice post, Mike N.

[Jim_Kennedy]

"I can't wait to see how this plays out this week during the Masters coverage.  There is a good chance that no one in the golfing media will capitalize on this story for some easy press and I will be proven wrong." - Jaka

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[John Kavanaugh]

I am amazed at how wrong I was on this one. I completely overestimated how much the world cares about the people of Japan.  It must not sell in this country. 

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