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Dan_Callahan

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Pebble Beach and Spanish Bay
« on: March 29, 2011, 04:24:06 PM »
Last weekend, I traveled to Monterey for the first time and had the chance to play Pebble Beach, Spanish Bay and Del Monte. I used to laugh at people who were dumb enough to pay $500 to play a golf course. That price just seemed so absurd to me. My opinion changed now that I've stayed at The Lodge and experienced Pebble myself. I'm still not sure I would be willing to pay that much for golf (I was extremely fortunate on this trip to have the whole thing covered because of some connections there). However, I completely understand why someone would be willing to pay that much. It really is spectacular. From beginning to end, there wasn't a hole I disliked. Television does not do justice to the scale of the place, the size of the cliffs (huge), the size of the greens (tiny), and the atmosphere of the location.

I started the trip with a round at Del Monte, a course I knew nothing about. It ended up being the perfect opener for a guy from New England who hasn't swung a club in 5 months. A very walkable course, open, small greens ... a very relaxing round. In the last few weeks, the area has been submerged by rain, and all of the courses were soaked. The first four holes at Del Monte were played in a monsoon, but then the sun came out and the rest of the day was perfect. I played Del Monte in a 5-some, and the round took about 5 hours. We were the only ones on the course, and we stopped for at least 30 minutes to hide under trees during the downpour (by the way, trees in Monterey suck for rain coverage ... that's one area where New England has California beat in my limited experience).

I played Pebble on saturday and had the same experience. Pouring rain on the first tee. It lightened up on the 2nd, and by the 3rd hole had stopped completely. By the time I got to 18, the sun was out. I played Pebble in a 3-some and we got around in 4.5 hours. Pebble is my new favorite course, surpassing the old number 1, Yale.

On Sunday, I teed off at Spanish Bay at 7:40. There wasn't a cloud in the sky. The scenery on some of the holes was breathtaking. However, take away the ocean and I would say Spanish Bay is just an average course. Not bad at all, but very tight, target golf. Fortunately, the ocean is there, and it is a spectacular backdrop to 7 or 8 holes. I played Spanish Bay in a 4-some and finished in 4.5 hours.

In all, it was a great trip. The Lodge was great. Pebble was the best. The people couldn't have been nicer. I went into Monterey with friends to watch NCAA basketball and fell in love with the town. It really is an incredible place. Although I know Pebble has been photographed to death, below are a few pictures from the trip.






























Bill Brightly

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Re: Pebble Beach and Spanish Bay
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2011, 04:43:07 PM »
Nice pics and thanks for posting. You can never go wrong by posting Pebble Beach photos. $500 per round is ridiculous, unless you think about what you pay in taxes...

Carl Nichols

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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2011, 05:49:02 PM »
Nice pics and thanks for posting. You can never go wrong by posting Pebble Beach photos. $500 per round is ridiculous, unless you think about what you pay in taxes...

But then you think about how much you have to gross to be able to net the $500 . . . .

Jim Tang

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« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2011, 06:11:57 PM »
Dan -

Cook pictures.  I've never been out that way.  Need to get it done.  You said you fell in love with the town.  I've always wondered what it's like out there, the town, the people.  Your thoughts?

Tim Leahy

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« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2011, 06:23:40 PM »
Next time mix in Spyglass Hill with Pebble and forget Spanish Bay. Throw in the back side on Pacific Grove, Poppy Hills and Bayonet/ Blackhorse, with a trip to Pasatiempo on the way out and you got a whole week. May and October are great months for weather and not as crowded too.
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Gary Slatter

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« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2011, 06:55:41 PM »
$500 to play golf isn't too bad, it costs that much for good Flames tickets!
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jeffwarne

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« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2011, 09:58:40 PM »
$500 to play golf isn't too bad, it costs that much for good Flames tickets!

$500 for Pebble would be well worth it.
Great pictures.
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JR Potts

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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2011, 10:19:25 PM »
Dan -

Cook pictures.  I've never been out that way.  Need to get it done.  You said you fell in love with the town.  I've always wondered what it's like out there, the town, the people.  Your thoughts?

It's the greatest place in the world as far as I'm concerned.  In just need to find a way to make 40 million so I can retire and move there.

Tiger_Bernhardt

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« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2011, 10:47:27 PM »
Glad u enjoyed one of the finest places in the world and world of golf

Dan_Callahan

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« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2011, 09:16:28 AM »
Jim,

The town of Pebble Beach isn't much of a town. However, traveling across the peninsula to Monterey reveals an amazing spot that would be a great place to live. Of course, I was only there for three days, but from that limited exposure I was very impressed. Monterey was funky (in a good way), touristy without being cheesy (not even close to the tackiness of a Hyannis or Boothbay), and, best of all, blessed with incredible scenery. With temperatures between 55 and 75 year round, it's hard to beat. And the number of exceptional golf courses in the area makes it that much better. Maybe I've been beaten down after a brutal New England winter, but I could've been convinced to stay in Monterey. Easily.

Dan

Stewart Naugler

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« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2011, 02:28:04 PM »
I'm a Carmel guy but Monterey's good for short timers.

I just wish the sun would shine through the fog a little more in the summer months... You don't know how much you miss the sun until you don't see it for a month. During the summer I didn't see the sun much at all at Cypress, but Monterey has a little pocket where the sun usually shines through. If the weather was like SoCal... I would still be out there! Plan vacations to the peninsula during late spring and fall!

Great place and great people!

Spanish Bay isn't for me but I love Pebble, Spyglass, MPCC, The Preserve, Pasatiempo, and of course Cypress.

Lynn_Shackelford

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« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2011, 03:56:30 PM »
Dan, good pictures and summary of the courses you played.  I would agree with the course aspect.  Next time spend some time in Carmel and Pacific Grove.  Not funky like Monterey but prettier.
It is also good to hear a comparison to New England.  I am pleased to learn that it is prettier, and with better weather.  I thought so but was always wondering if I am missing something by not visiting the New England coastline.

It is expensive because "it can be."
It must be kept in mind that the elusive charm of the game suffers as soon as any successful method of standardization is allowed to creep in.  A golf course should never pretend to be, nor is intended to be, an infallible tribunal.
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Garland Bayley

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« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2011, 04:39:41 PM »
... We were the only ones on the course, and we stopped for at least 30 minutes to hide under trees during the downpour (by the way, trees in Monterey suck for rain coverage ... that's one area where New England has California beat in my limited experience).
...

Had you played in the rain the day before you left for CA you would have found out how really bad New England trees are for rain coverage.
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"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

J_ Crisham

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« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2011, 10:01:10 PM »
Dan, I've always felt that the courses on the Monterey peninsula are some of the the greatest in the world-when you experience Pebble,Spyglass, MPCC, and CPC you feel as though you have seen heaven on earth. These are amongst a handful that I've seen where one should welcome a 5 hour round! Why rush a day in paradise! :) Happy to hear you enjoyed your visit.
                                                  Wish you well,  Jack

astavrides

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« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2011, 10:19:12 AM »
You don't know how much you miss the sun until you don't see it for a month. During the summer I didn't see the sun much at all at Cypress,

This passage may be the example sentence used in the dictionary for the 'jaded' or 'spoiled' entries.

Dan_Callahan

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« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2011, 11:08:44 AM »
You don't know how much you miss the sun until you don't see it for a month. During the summer I didn't see the sun much at all at Cypress,

This passage may be the example sentence used in the dictionary for the 'jaded' or 'spoiled' entries.

Haha ... I would have to agree with that. After spending three months with at least 4 feet of snow on the ground, it's hard to feel any sympathy for anyone in Monterey. Hell, New England will probably have at least 30 days of rain this summer. And mosquitos. And brutal humidity. On the other hand, it's easier to get through those long August days when you know fall is just around the corner. And October in New England is spectacular. But hearing people in California talk about temps rarely going below 50 or above 75 made me pretty jealous. I would go back there in a second.

All the talk about how Pebble wouldn't be great if it wasn't for the scenery misses the point that the scenery is the soul of the course. The way 6 and 7 and 8 and 9 and 10 hug the coast ... the cliffs that look huge on TV but blow you away in person ... the waves crashing along the beach ... those details are just as important to the experience as where a bunker is located or how long the rough is. Equally important: The inland holes were, in my opinion, really, really good. I loved the new par 3 5th. The 14th with its ridiculous green. The tee shot on 3. They were all great. Honestly, there wasn't a hole out there that I didn't love.

In general, I prefer the more rugged look of a PD or Sand Hills. But all the pieces at Pebble work for me. I wouldn't change a thing.

Dan_Callahan

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« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2011, 11:38:10 AM »
Brian,

Pebble would be the highlight of any trip. Seriously. When you walk into The Lodge for the first time, and in front of you is a massive window giving you a panoramic view across 18 to the Pacific ... honestly, it looks fake. It's like some kind of crazy animated photograph.

I can't believe there aren't more car crashes on the road into the course. My eyes were focused in front of me for no more than 10% of the time. The rest was spent spinning around like the Exorcist, trying to take it all in, guessing at which hole was which, images of great shots that I had seen on TV flashing through my head.

You will not be underwhelmed.

I didn't take a caddy, but the couple I played with did. And he was very nice to help me out from time to time. Especially giving me the line off the tee. A few times he screwed me up. On 3, he had me pointed too far right. I don't kill the ball, and the course was soaking wet after all the rain, but I can fly it 260 when I'm not hitting off the toe or hosel. So on 3, I flew it over the bunkers straight through the fairway. If I had aimed 40 yards left, I would have had a wedge in. As it was, I had 160 from deep, wet rough and had to play short left.

The caddie also wasn't great on the greens. I felt very comfortable with my reads, factoring in most stuff moving toward the ocean. A few times, he had me play more break than I wanted, but I trusted him (he was the caddie, after all) and he was wrong. That happened three times in a row on 15, 16 and 17.

However, I would have had a really tough time without him on the tee. And he saved me on 8. My brain shut down after the visual overload of 7, and I walked to the 8th tee with driver in hand. The caddie had walked to the top of the hill to track our shots, and he came sprinting back to grab my club before I could hit. Duh. I've seen the shot a million times on tv but totally forgot that the fairway runs out at about 230. He switched me to my hybrid and I was fine.

So for the first time playing there, I would say a caddie is a very good idea. Unless you have a partner who's been there before and can give you the line.
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Terry Lavin

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« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2011, 11:51:56 AM »
Next time mix in Spyglass Hill with Pebble and forget Spanish Bay. Throw in the back side on Pacific Grove, Poppy Hills and Bayonet/ Blackhorse, with a trip to Pasatiempo on the way out and you got a whole week. May and October are great months for weather and not as crowded too.

Sage advice, indeed.
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Dan_Callahan

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« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2011, 12:43:58 PM »
Here are a few more from Spanish Bay.

I don't doubt that Spyglass, MPCC, Cypress et al are significantly better than Spanish Bay. It happened to be one of the courses that I was set up on, and I'm not going to complain. Taking the ocean out of it, I didn't think it was much different than a typical modern New England course like Old Marsh or Butterbrook. Not bad, not great ... pretty average. However, the views kick ass.






astavrides

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« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2011, 05:19:12 PM »

So for the first time playing there, I would say a caddie is a very good idea. Unless you have a partner who's been there before and can give you the line.

or a rangefinder or a yardage book.

Stewart Naugler

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« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2011, 11:41:27 PM »
75? Degrees? I was there for a year and the temperature never reached 70. A few days around 65 but that's about it. Don't get me wrong, I'm from Michigan so I understand your thinking. Still, I would take a Michigan summer over a Pebble Beach summer in a heart beat.

The fog increases as the inland temperature increases. I went weeks without being able to see 10 feet in front of me (and it's impossible to stay dry). I LOVE the peninsula, but the weather isn't that great.

Did I mention it doesn't stop raining in the winter? I don't miss being completely drenched in 45-55 degree weather (that's without wind).

Bring your rain gear x3!

There's a few weeks in late spring and fall that are absolutely beautiful.



Mark Pearce

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« Reply #21 on: April 01, 2011, 03:41:29 AM »
There's a few weeks in late spring and fall that are absolutely beautiful.
So if I'm going to be there in May I should be OK?
In June I will be riding the first three stages of this year's Tour de France route for charity.  630km (394 miles) in three days, with 7800m (25,600 feet) of climbing for the William Wates Memorial Trust (https://rideleloop.org/the-charity/) which supports underprivileged young people.

Dan_Callahan

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« Reply #22 on: April 01, 2011, 08:31:25 AM »
The average high temp in May is 65 and average precip for the month is .5 inches. You'll be fine.

I can't compare the Monterey climate to Michigan's, but it is significantly more appealing than Boston's.

The lowest of the average lows at Pebble come in Dec and Jan at 60 degrees. The highest of the average highs comes in Sept at 71.

The most precipitation is in January, with 4.1 inches, followed by Feb and March with 3.5 inches. There are 7 months that don't get above 2 inches and there are 5 months that don't get more than .5 inches.

In Boston, the lowest of the average lows comes in Jan at 36 degrees. The highest of the average highs is in July at 82 (and it ain't a dry heat).

The most precipitation is in January at 4 inches. However, no month in the entire year averages less than 3 inches. That is a sucky statistic that I will ponder as I stare out my office window at 4 inches of snow that fell over night. God's lame attempt at an April Fools joke, I guess.