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Brett Morris

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Was the summer of 2011 bad for turf again?
« on: November 20, 2011, 07:19:00 PM »
Some high profile Superintendents have been fired or allowed to leave:

http://anthonypioppi.com/golf/blog/263/2011-looks-to-be-a-benchmark-year-for-superintendent-firings


Dan Byrnes

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Re: Was the summer of 2011 bad for turf again?
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2011, 07:55:25 PM »
Here in upstate NY we have been extremely wet courses really haven't dried out in months.  Last years were suffered from extreme heat and turf loss.  Not sure what a super is supposed to do although the resources some of these guys have are far more significant that what clubs in my area have.

Dan

archie_struthers

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Re: Was the summer of 2011 bad for turf again?
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2011, 08:09:26 PM »
 :'( ::) :'(


But of course it was an awful summer for turf. Here in the mid-Atlantic almost all the golf courses were terribly stressed, as late season deluges were followed by hot and humid conditions. This of course is perfect for fungal diseases of all types to thrive. We even saw a return of grey leaf spot to the area ,after a long hiatus.  

To me this isn't the reason for firings to the likes of Michaud et al, it's strictly economics. For decades the super worked tirelessly , in the shadow of gm's and golf professionals in the 60's 70's and 80's . This changed in the decade that followed as the superintendent became the rock star  at clubs , particularly high end privates and resorts.  Their salaries jumped at the top end , many top jobs paying more than $200k with lots of perks.     Budgets  skyrocketed , doubling at many clubs as members demanded more and more perfect playing conditions. Spending  a couple million on bunker renovations, sub air systems and the like became common practice , and the superintendents became more and more multiple faceted and educated .  They continue to amaze me with their work effort and broad knowledge of many subjects,  from chemistry to mechanics, but times have changed . Money is tightening , and their budgets are the biggest on many clubs balance sheet. So , it stands to reason that something has to give.

Nobody works harder than golf course superintendents, and I respect them immensely !  However the times continue to change , and they will suffer with the downturn.



Dan Byrnes

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Re: Was the summer of 2011 bad for turf again?
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2011, 08:46:12 PM »
Wouldn't think money would be a big motivator at those two clubs?  I can't imagine either Winged Foot or Shinnecock even in this economic climate are suffering from monetary woes?  Seems like clubs like that would be almost immune to economics?  I certainly may be wrong?

At  clubs below that tier is certainly is a factor, that last few years have brought higher costs in everything from fuel, chemicals to benefits.

Dan

archie_struthers

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Re: Was the summer of 2011 bad for turf again?
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2011, 09:03:08 PM »
 ??? ??? ???

I'm not so sure....even the wealthiest clubs are having trouble with in fill of young members.  You may very well be right, but GM's getting big bucks may see a way to get rid of independent superintendents, who they may have had little or no control over.  Could it be about control?   Now wouldn't that be unusual ?...
« Last Edit: November 20, 2011, 10:44:15 PM by archie_struthers »

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: Was the summer of 2011 bad for turf again?
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2011, 10:21:09 PM »
The Philly area has 50"plus of rain so far this year- a record. Hurrican Irene ravaged many courses. I recently played Cedarbrook CC in a GAP event and there is a lot of repair work in progress. Whitemarsh was heavily damaged and I believe only 9 holes are open. Turf at many clubs is very spongy.

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Tom_Doak

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Re: Was the summer of 2011 bad for turf again?
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2011, 09:21:07 AM »
Where are all the climate change deniers in this thread?

Actually, I don't think the turf problems of this summer (or last summer, or the summer before) are entirely due to bad weather.  They're a product of attempting to provide tournament conditions on an everyday basis.  It's easy for a club to demand or a superintendent to promise that standard, but it's just NOT SUSTAINABLE on a long-term basis.

I remember several years ago talking to an old-guard super at a top private club when he went on a rant about this, swearing 20 times inside a minute about how all these crazy young turf grads could have his job if they wanted to promise conditions that weren't sustainable, they'd find out the hard way.  ;)  But, he blamed it all on the green committees asking for those standards, not the superintendents.

Sean_A

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Re: Was the summer of 2011 bad for turf again?
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2011, 09:53:54 AM »
Tom

Not that I have ever experienced these uber conditions often cited on this forum, but I gotta believe green keeping practices are at least an issue when hard weather hits.  It almost a parady of the economy with folks relying on constant growth to create wealth rather than sustainable investment. 

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RDecker

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Re: Was the summer of 2011 bad for turf again?
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2011, 02:51:30 PM »
Mr. Doak is very correct on this topic;  many young Supers sell their souls to the speed demons to get the plumb jobs at the top 100 courses.
Promising tournament conditions daily and this just can't be done considering what today's tournament conditions are.  Fairways under a half and inch, greens rolling 12 plus and everything firm and fast, it just isn't sustainable any more especially considering environmental and economic pressures being what they are.