The long-term effect of waves on Bandon's courses

[Craig Sweet]

Niall...check out sciencedaily.com.  That site compiles all kinds of scientific information from science publications....you can search sea level rising and find all kinds of recent published research. 

Facts as they are on the ground are not disputable. In other words, this ice cap was this big 10 years ago, and today it is this much smaller.  When you gather all the known facts, and then say if XYZ facts continue, this will result, you essentially have a computer model..

And who cares whether the action behind the fact is man made or naturally occuring, and whether it runs its course in 60 years or is a longer term problem...the question is, what will you do about it, NOW to prevent the projected worse case scenerio?

[Tom Birkert]

Well, Dr James Hansen of NASA predicted that the West Side Highway in New York would be under water by now...

We're constantly told of the Artic ice melting, conveniently ignoring the fact that the Antartic - which holds 90% of the planet's ice mass - is expanding.

Sea levels have been remarkably consistent. They are rising, very slowly, as is to be expected as we're still coming out of the little ice age.

The models are only as good as the data which they are supplied with, and they only work when hindcasting. They are all but worthless, especially the GCMs, which don't take clouds into account, which is a bit of a problem, what with them being the largest factor in the greenhouse effect.

[Craig Sweet]

Tom, that's a funny story about Hansen. I wonder if its true? You do know that those words have never publically come from his mouth?  They are the words of another person telling a story about Hansen. So, who knows if he ever believed that would happen.

What he has said recently is that lots of older data is being proven wrong, some things are occuring faster than they previously thought, and something are moving slower. He has also stated that polar ice tends NOT to melt slowly, like a glacier, or Greenland.... new eveidence is that it "flips" rapidly. 

There was a report 3 years ago that the Antarctic was expanding and it got wide coverage by the global warming deniers...however...here is some more recent information from NASA

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/20100108_Is_Antarctica_Melting.html

[Mike Bowline]

If they eat away at the base of the bluff for a long enough time it could potentially cause a problem.

Didn't a part of Trump's course in LA fall into the sea?

Now if we can only arrange for The Donald to be standing on the section of earth as it is falling into the sea........

[Neil_Crafter]

Not all beaches erode, the sand from those that are often, goes onto ones that are accreting. Look at St Andrews. originally TOC was on a very narrow spit, today there are two courses between TOC and the sea with room in a few more years time for at least another one.

[Scott Warren]

As Neil says, that eroded earth has to go somewhere. Like at St Andrews, Rye's 6th green was right by the lapping waves as recently as the 1960s, and today there is another golf course between it and the English Channel.

Let's just hope that when Mother Nature eventually steals Hunstanton and Brancaster - along with the rest of Norfolk - she deposits little bits of them somewhere useful for a new links or two to be laid out!

[Niall C]

Niall...check out sciencedaily.com.  That site compiles all kinds of scientific information from science publications....you can search sea level rising and find all kinds of recent published research. 

Facts as they are on the ground are not disputable. In other words, this ice cap was this big 10 years ago, and today it is this much smaller.  When you gather all the known facts, and then say if XYZ facts continue, this will result, you essentially have a computer model..

And who cares whether the action behind the fact is man made or naturally occuring, and whether it runs its course in 60 years or is a longer term problem...the question is, what will you do about it, NOW to prevent the projected worse case scenerio?

Craig

I'll check it out. I am interested in finding out more but often get frustrated at being told so many scientists testify to the fact so it must be right, when there is equally as many who disagree.

I think you actually make my point about the computer model. Its only as good as what you put into it, and if that assumption is wrong then the results of the model are going to be skewed. In this case melting ice caps 9assuming of course what I read elsewhere was correct !)

Niall